What is the best DD?

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03-24-2011, 05:05 AM
wish12oz

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

Bad Hi or not, its still doing 37.5% more damage unresisted, +% damage taken does not remove the natural resistances a mob has in place already. It'd be like if we tried to WS a skeleton that had -25% damage from slashing/pierce, but still had +100% damage taken, it isnt going to be an automatic +75% damage taken, it's going to be +100% after the resistance is calculated.

Can you prove that? Or is how you know super secret like your characters name?
03-24-2011, 05:07 AM
MarkovChain

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Well, according to Byrth's math, it's Mythic drg vs Emp war.

Mythic drg ahead by 5% w/o looking at wyvern, but also not looking at retaliation (because can't rly model that when the mob should be swapping targets when both reach enmity cap)

If you go the AM3 mythic road it could be pup seing as stringing pummel + kenkonken is not too far from verethragna with just AM1. The problem is that AM3 is unusable 100% of the time.
03-24-2011, 05:07 AM
TearValerin

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Can you prove that? Or is how you know super secret like your characters name?

It's common sense, it isn't going to be subtracted from amplified damage, that would be just plain stupid.

@ GG, nope, aint me.
03-24-2011, 05:08 AM
Neofire

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Originally Posted by Syntex

It's BRD singing bieber songs because it kills everyone within earshot.

Lmao, 20 points for that one lol. On top though, in abyssea its War/Sam outside of it I think blu/thf is.
03-24-2011, 05:10 AM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

It's common sense, it isn't going to be subtracted from amplified damage, that would be just plain stupid.

@ GG, nope, aint me.

Don't believe you.

Regardless, Haste/Slow work the same way (50% haste + 25% slow = 25% haste), so it's not implausible that DT is additive instead of multiplicative. In fact I'm fairly sure it's additive.
03-24-2011, 05:12 AM
TearValerin

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Don't believe you.

Regardless, Haste/Slow work the same way (50% haste + 25% slow = 25% haste), so it's not implausible that DT is additive instead of multiplicative. In fact I'm fairly sure it's additive.

Believe whatever you want, that person is a low level female taru that runs around on whm. Make a mule on Asura and look, I run a mithra.
03-24-2011, 05:13 AM
wish12oz

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Don't believe you.

Regardless, Haste/Slow work the same way (50% haste + 25% slow = 25% haste), so it's not implausible that DT is additive instead of multiplicative. In fact I'm fairly sure it's additive.

I think its more like the effects of the spell slow and haste. Having haste (+damage) cast on you while you have slow(-damage) would overwrite and cancel out the slow.

Again I ask, can you prove how it works? Saying it's common sense is not proving that's how it works.
03-24-2011, 05:15 AM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

Believe whatever you want, that person is a low level female taru that runs around on whm. Make a mule on Asura and look, I run a mithra.

So it's someone's mule? That or I managed to piss off someone playing a low level female taru on Asura, talking about damage numbers and e-peening, who seems to grasp basic mechanics well enough to have decent "what if" sets. I don't think such a person exists :(

Edit: I also cannot run and look at your character on Asura if I do not know your name :(
03-24-2011, 05:18 AM
Byrth

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

If you go the AM3 mythic road it could be pup seing as stringing pummel + kenkonken is not too far from verethragna with just AM1. The problem is that AM3 is unusable 100% of the time.

Also, Kenkonken AM3 only procs once per round (not once per fist).
03-24-2011, 05:33 AM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

So it's someone's mule? That or I managed to piss off someone playing a low level female taru on Asura, talking about damage numbers and e-peening, who seems to grasp basic mechanics well enough to have decent "what if" sets. I don't think such a person exists :(

Edit: I also cannot run and look at your character on Asura if I do not know your name :(

tear is just some poser, olfar is the one and only relic spear owner on asura to date, unless some JP has one and gone unnoticed. i can tell because that editted buzzfly crap was mine. dude must've just googled and photoshopped damage. let me look for the original.
03-24-2011, 05:36 AM
wish12oz

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

tear is just some poser, olfar is the one and only relic spear owner on asura to date, unless some JP has one and gone unnoticed. i can tell because that editted buzzfly crap was mine. dude must've just googled and photoshopped damage. let me look for the original.

orly? （´・ω・｀）
03-24-2011, 05:37 AM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

orly? （´・ω・｀）

yes rly. look http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nata/dfgds.jpg
he stole my picture, and editted out my name.
03-24-2011, 05:40 AM
Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

yes rly. look http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nata/dfgds.jpg
he stole my picture, and editted out my name.

Oh. My. Bacon.
03-24-2011, 05:42 AM
Andylynn

i would suggest just ignoring him, that sig of his currently looks totally bad as well. #1 the spacing is off, #2 the numbers in the damage are formatted incorrectly.. i could go on, but it looks like a hackjob in MS paint.
03-24-2011, 05:44 AM
RichardNixon

ROUND 2

FIGHT!
03-24-2011, 05:45 AM
Miera

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Originally Posted by Michaeluk

It's not puppet master that much i can tell you :P

DOWN WITH THE PUP HATERS!!!
03-24-2011, 05:47 AM
wish12oz

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

yes rly. look http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nata/dfgds.jpg
he stole my picture, and editted out my name.

ωωωωωωωωωωωωωωω

Honestly I was thinking his current sig looks off too, but I doubt anyone would believe me if I tried to point it out, plus you could just say its obviously photoshop'd (blurred out name) and they saved at low quality (which they did) and that's the reason for discrepancies. It's kind of sad.
03-24-2011, 05:53 AM
magnius

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Oh. My. Bacon.

That's mine. You cannot use.
Oh. My. Bacon.™

While we're at it, RichardNixon's sig looks shopped too. I can tell by looking at the pixels.
03-24-2011, 06:00 AM
Puddings

So let me get this straight, dragoon is the best photoshop? Gutler bst being the best real DD.
03-24-2011, 06:02 AM
wish12oz

If you want a serious answer, war/sam is best as long as you don't care about dieing.
03-24-2011, 06:07 AM
casual

Kclub WHM is the best DD because you can hit 64 times on Hexa Strike.
03-24-2011, 06:07 AM
Kuishen

Posting in an epic thread. Forging an e-peen. Awesome.
03-24-2011, 06:10 AM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

If you want a serious answer, war/sam is best as long as you don't care about dieing.

ryuno drg/sam is probably better than war/sam. huge chunk of war's DD comes from retaliation, if they aren't going off, bye bye DD chunk. along with 15% drakesbane boost, and a ridiculously high DA aftermath, its tp phase can match if not out parse an empy war on a good day.
03-24-2011, 06:18 AM
wish12oz

I have been seeing the mythic drg is better thing a lot recently, I don't know if I believe it honestly, but if nothing else, for the average person, war is going to be better, because mythics are obnoxious to acquire.
03-24-2011, 06:18 AM
Miera

BRD is obviously the best DD.
03-24-2011, 06:21 AM
wish12oz

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Originally Posted by Miera

BRD is obviously the best DD.

Only if you count the increase it gives everyone else as damage it does.
03-24-2011, 06:21 AM
Andylynn

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I have been seeing the mythic drg is better thing a lot recently, I don't know if I believe it honestly, but if nothing else, for the average person, war is going to be better, because mythics are obnoxious to acquire.

rhongo drg, and corseca+2 drgs arent bad as well, they would probably be on even terms with war w/ ukon. i was just throwing out under perfect conditions on paper.
03-24-2011, 06:23 AM
Yugl

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Originally Posted by casual

Kclub WHM is the best DD because you can hit 64 times on Hexa Strike.

That sounds like an elitist statement. Using all that complicated math and stuff.
03-24-2011, 06:37 AM
Harpalina

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

If you want a serious answer, war/sam is best as long as you don't care about dieing.

Lawl. I remember fighting spiders in Vunkerl Inlet [A] and I died every other battle...I spent more time on the sidelines than I did meleeing <.< And even then I still melee'd when I was weakened...it's boring watching other people kill things o_o
03-24-2011, 06:48 AM
Jar

DRK is duh
03-24-2011, 06:56 AM
Yarly

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Originally Posted by casual

Kclub WHM is the best DD because you can hit 64 times on Hexa Strike.

No way, that's only the MAX number of hits you can do on hexa strike!

Remember kraken club is OCCASIONALLY attacks 2-8 times. I don't know how to do the math but each hit has only a CHANCE to hit up to 8 times.

We shouldn't be doing the math anyway, none of that elitist crap on here. These forums are clean.
03-24-2011, 07:01 AM
Puddings

So would a mythic dragoon offhanding a kclub do 64 hit drakesbanes?
03-24-2011, 07:02 AM
Jar

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Originally Posted by Puddings

So would a mythic dragoon offhanding a kclub do 64 hit drakesbanes?

hell yeah and you can even equip that cane shotgun from house to your polearm and get a few shots in for a 67hit weaponskill.
03-24-2011, 07:02 AM
Puddings

Does epona's ring add chance to triple on each of those 67?
03-24-2011, 07:05 AM
Jar

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Originally Posted by Puddings

Does epona's ring add chance to triple on each of those 67?

damn right it does.
03-24-2011, 07:10 AM
Yarly

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Originally Posted by Puddings

So would a mythic dragoon offhanding a kclub do 64 hit drakesbanes?

only 24hits, actually
03-24-2011, 07:27 AM
Auredant

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Originally Posted by Puddings

So would a mythic dragoon offhanding a kclub do 64 hit drakesbanes?

I guess...if u could figure out how to equip a 2hnd pole and 1hnd club at the same time >.>
03-24-2011, 07:28 AM
Puddings

sub dancer?
03-24-2011, 07:30 AM
Manicora

Isnt it Obvious Rdm/nin with enspell and KC can do it all Heal/Nuke/DD/Run away
03-24-2011, 07:31 AM
Puddings

Last time I checked enspell only does like 15 damage... Theres a dragoon here than can do 8500 all in one shot that has to be much better.

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