Abyssea ruined FFXI ?

I'm glad the wolrds are merging. Maybe i dont have to stand outside jeuno or whitegate for 3 days tryin to get a tele. Actually, im sure they've done something to fix that aswell,

That's one thing about this game I've meet people all over the world and we've been friends since 2003. Some have stop playing and moved on but we still keep in touch.

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That's one thing about this game I've meet people all over the world and we've been friends since 2003. Some have stop playing and moved on but we still keep in touch.

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Definately. My heart was crushed when i rejoined FFXI and I haven't seen any of my really good friends on.. depressing.. Im in a great linkshell though so im trying to fit in ><;

i think aby messed up the game in a couple ways , the entry lvl is too low they shouldve made entry into aby at least 65 , 75 would even be better.then ppl would at least know the basics of the job 1. ppl who do smn burns to 30 then jump to aby to leech end up not knowing how to play the job just due to lack of experience. 2. becuz of the speed at which you lvl you dont get skill-ups , so you end up w/ a very gimp lvl 90 job, ppl who dont know what WS to use to get skillchain , why because they havent spent hours in pt in caedarva mire getting a chance to learn. I had 7 lvl 75's b4 aby only 2 of them are capped on skills now. I think aby is kool dont get me wrong, but these problems mentioned couldve been avoided to a great extent by just having a higher entry lvl.I was farming in sauromugue i see this mnk out there i know from his gear he was high lvl at any rate he was getting slaughtered i asked what was up w/ him dying so much he tells me his h2h was 62 i bust out laughing.Good 'ol aby i said.I do miss the long pt's in the mire getting to actually talk to ppl ,cuz in aby you constantly killing and just about all you see in chat is "temps in 10 " or "key item /random if you need" ...... Aby is kool as i said the NM's , the gear all sweet.

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Originally Posted by Kits

Hi, I just recently came back to FFXI after a few years hiatus. I really didnt have much time to play before the servers shut down.. >>;, i was actually in the middle of the abyssea quest when they shut it down.

Now, I've never been to abyssea, but from the start it looked like the new update was awesome, but now that I'm reading about it, you can get from like 30 to 65 in one day? thats insane... thats almost, no fun. I've been looking around and everyone has like 10 level 90 jobs..

So the question i ask,
Has abyssea ruined FFXI?

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No, it's enriched it. Abyssea is incredibly deep, rewarding and enjoyable - a triumph in game design.

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becuz of the speed at which you lvl you dont get skill-ups , so you end up w/ a very gimp lvl 90 job

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So does this mean while you are in abyssea you cannot gain skill-ups? or does this only apply to the people who leech?

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Originally Posted by Kits

So does this mean while you are in abyssea you cannot gain skill-ups? or does this only apply to the people who leech?

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You can gain skill ups. What they mean is the rate of exp inside and outside abyssea tends to leave your skills uncapped. However, it's more apparent inside abyssea. All it means is you have to take extra time to skill up.

Abyssea took the game to a different level. It made the exp grind not as important, which lets people focus on the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by Kits

So does this mean while you are in abyssea you cannot gain skill-ups? or does this only apply to the people who leech?

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You can skill just fine in abyssea.
Keep in mind that most people who feel the abyssea minimum should be increased think that not grinding a job for months/days/years lessens their own person achievments.

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Originally Posted by Kits

So does this mean while you are in abyssea you cannot gain skill-ups? or does this only apply to the people who leech?

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You gain skillups just fine. In fact, if you're recently returning to the game, you will gain skills faster than you remember as the skillup system has been tweaked a couple times.

Abyssea EXP is simply incredibly fast. At max chain, you can get around 600~ exp/kill, with mobs occasionally dropping chests worth 1,250 exp apiece. Tack on Dominion Ops, which allow you to gain 5,000 more exp every 5 kills just by talking to an NPC, and it adds up quickly.

There was a recent update in which SE claimed that skill up rates were increased. This has proven to be a lie. lol

Wow, i cant wait to try abyssea. ive played for years and never got a job to 75.. although i was preoccupied experimenting with other jobs, but all i wanted to do was get my BLU to 90 and get all my good spells

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Originally Posted by Kits

Wow, i cant wait to try abyssea. ive played for years and never got a job to 75.. although i was preoccupied experimenting with other jobs, but all i wanted to do was get my BLU to 90 and get all my good spells

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For spells, make sure you have: Heat Breath, Firespit Magnetite Cloud, Seedspray Regurgitation, Maelstrom Hecatomb Wave, Mysterious Light Frost Breath, Ice Break Mind Blast, Blitzstrahl Radiant Breath, 1000 Needles Death Ray, Eyes On Me

reasoning: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ab...ellow_Weakness

WOW thanks!!! I've been wondering for weeks which spells are like, 'necessary' here you come and just supply me the golden info, ty lol.

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Originally Posted by Kits

WOW thanks!!! I've been wondering for weeks which spells are like, 'necessary' here you come and just supply me the golden info, ty lol.

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Those spells aren't particularly good for damage. Those spells are more like the minimum you'll want for farming NMs so that people don't get annoyed at you for not having those spells. I'd suggest you wander over to the blue mage forum or somewhere else to figure that out. I can't help you for that; I know little to nothing about blue mage.

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Originally Posted by Nacht

For spells, make sure you have: Heat Breath, Firespit, Magnetite Cloud, Seedspray, Regurgitation, Maelstrom, Hecatomb Wave, Mysterious Light, Frost Breath, Ice Break, Mind Blast, Blitzstrahl, Radiant Breath, 1000 Needles, Death Ray, Eyes On Me

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I don't have the highlighted spells, but I would never go as BLU for proc, I hate changing spells. lol

I wanted to get Refueling, a haste, but supposedly i need to do all the promathyia missions..? does anybody even do those anymore?? lol

The problem with Abyssea is that for most people it ruined any sense of real accomplishment. It took the EXP grind and made it completely pointless as you'll cap on merits in no time and have nothing else to do but either reroll another job or simply go after gear.

All of the work put into creating that perfect EXP setup is gone because EXP is nothing more than 12 people AFK/hugging a Dominion Tactician in a party while 6 people fight monsters. The funny thing is that Vision of Abyssea parties had some sense of accomplishment when you finally cracked the secret of boxes and got the EXP to flow to start where by Heroes the entire affair had devolved into hugging an NPC while zone-wide lights could float even the worst of worst parties so long as you know... people arent AFK.

The biggest problem with EXP now is that no one cares. Your bad party will almost always certainly break because of AFKers due to the fact that EXP is just that easy to obtain. The finesse present back at Vision has devolved as the expansions got easier and we learned how the system works.

It isn't all negative however. The ability to actually log on and get something done is a boon that the game sorely needed. Being able to also lowman has helped to make the game more "fair" while Empyreans has leveled the playing field on the uber tier of weaponry.

Overall Abyssea has made the game easy - so easy that one really has to wonder what SE has planned for the future. Unlike WoW, this game has no PvP so the artificial difficulty that comes from facing other players is reduced to bitching out someone when they take your ??? pop or kill a mob slow. All of the sense of community has been ruined because the old content simply doesn't matter. Stuff like Campaign that was mildly fun in the sense that you could team up with strangers to reach a common goal is gone now cause the game has been simplified to the extreme.

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Originally Posted by Arltery

The game is what you make of it. Hang out with friends, make new ones, explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations..... sorry geek moment there. The point is the game is going to be as fun as you make it.

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lmao... T T

"I'm not the only one!!"

Abyssea is fun and easy but once you've finished there's nothing else to do, unless you want to +2 every piece of armor for every job you have (and don't play), oh and get Emp weapons for them just for the fun of it.

One thing I don't understand is why they're making our much loved old gear augment-able via Synergy... I mean surely it would have been a better idea to involve some of the End Game zones we acquired them from? Would be nice to have a reason to visit Sea/Sky/Salvage again, even for the sense of nostalgia.

All I can see is that the people with Synergy leveled will get very rich very quickly by charging people to upgrade their stuff using a random method.

I could be wrong however, I'm just speculating.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

There was a recent update in which SE claimed that skill up rates were increased. This has proven to be a lie. lol

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No it wasn't.

My enhancing skill ups have increased dramatically since that update, so has my healing.

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Originally Posted by Kits

I wanted to get Refueling, a haste, but supposedly i need to do all the promathyia missions..? does anybody even do those anymore?? lol

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There are clusters in other areas, so you never needed COP.

The Rivern- A B are all uncapped now. So it will be very easy to learn if you already have access to those maps. If not you can learn that from the bombs in mount zhylm or you can learn them in Abyssea-Altepa. Basicly you can learn all the spells in abyssea. The only problem you will find is you will be lvling too fast and will need to catch up your blue magic so you can learn the higher lvl spells. Which are very nice. But skilling up is easy just spam blue spells and work on merits in abyssea exp shouts.

Abyssea is fun.. but its entertainment value wont last...

whatever SE releases for lvl 99 better be damn good.. or they will lose subscriptions in droves.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

There are clusters in other areas, so you never needed COP.

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This ^. That said though, Rajas Ring is badass, so I highly recommend looking into getting some CoP missions done. Most of it is legitimately soloable right up to the last couple missions before Sea access. Even those can be done with 2-3 people, really. They removed all of the CoP mission level caps, if it hadn't been mentioned, so mostly it's a lot of cutscenes and running.

Come to Siren, I can solo COP for you on BST. lol

SE should let you be able to jump worlds/channels, I think it would being a lot to the game.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

SE should let you be able to jump worlds/channels, I think it would being a lot to the game.

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What's a channel?

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The only problem you will find is you will be lvling too fast and will need to catch up your blue magic so you can learn the higher lvl spells.

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Well that's where i come in, ill get like 5 levels or so, atleast untill pt ends, then go near a zone or something, grab a T or something, bomb it with magic till im near dead or no mp, and zone. lol.. good idea?

Be nice if we can augment that with synergy. I'm still using it because I'm too lazy to go brew rani.

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Originally Posted by Kits

Well that's where i come in, ill get like 5 levels or so, atleast untill pt ends, then go near a zone or something, grab a T or something, bomb it with magic till im near dead or no mp, and zone. lol.. good idea?

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Should work fine. Part of the skill up adjustments also allow you to skill up on mobs that con DC, instead of EM or higher. Zvahl Fortalices in the WotG rendition of Castle Z are also an easy way to skill up weapons, though they won't cap for 90.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

What's a channel?

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Not sure if you ever played "Aion" their "World" was made into different Channels as to, if your in the game all you had to do is open your channel window or /chan <#> of channel you would like to join and pick one that your friends it on to play with. Vindictus also works this way.

Well thats wonderful news. I know this isnt a blu forum, but would u think using Azure Lore would increase your chance to learn a spell?

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Originally Posted by Kits

Well thats wonderful news. I know this isnt a blu forum, but would u think using Azure Lore would increase your chance to learn a spell?

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I honestly couldn't tell you. I can direct the question to a BLU friend of mine when he logs onto skype, if someone else doesn't answer it before me.

Edit: According to the wiki, it does not.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Not sure if you ever played "Aion" their "World" was made into different Channels as to, if your in the game all you had to do is open your channel window or /chan <#> of channel you would like to join and pick one that your friends it on to play with. Vindictus also works this way.

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Right, but you said it so matter-of-factly like FFXi had channels, so I had to ask to be sure.

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Originally Posted by Kits

Well thats wonderful news. I know this isnt a blu forum, but would u think using Azure Lore would increase your chance to learn a spell?

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It ill be easier to lern spells after the fact, this way you wont have to keep starting and stopping. Also merits will help as a higher skill makes learning esier. I merited blue magic and deleted it later after I got my skill caught up.

I love blue mage.

The concept of the job is just ingenious in my opinion,
now all I have to do is plan, get the right spells, then kill my rdm uncle =p
BLU FTW!

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Originally Posted by Kits

Hi, I just recently came back to FFXI after a few years hiatus. I really didnt have much time to play before the servers shut down.. >>;, i was actually in the middle of the abyssea quest when they shut it down. Now, I've never been to abyssea, but from the start it looked like the new update was awesome, but now that I'm reading about it, you can get from like 30 to 65 in one day? thats insane... thats almost, no fun. I've been looking around and everyone has like 10 level 90 jobs..

So the question i ask, Has abyssea ruined FFXI?

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Ruined? No i say.
Do you consider 40 Merits in 90 mins a bad thing? lol:D

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Originally Posted by MrWigglles

Ruined? No i say.
Do you consider 40 Merits in 90 mins a bad thing? lol:D

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Oh yeah, if no one told you, you can hold 20 merits now. lol

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Originally Posted by Kits

I wanted to get Refueling, a haste, but supposedly i need to do all the promathyia missions..? does anybody even do those anymore?? lol

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They uncapped the missions and the zones, so doing the (beginning) missions is easy. Also, BLU has a 2nd haste spell.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

The problem with Abyssea is that for most people it ruined any sense of real accomplishment. It took the EXP grind and made it completely pointless as you'll cap on merits in no time and have nothing else to do but either reroll another job or simply go after gear.

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Going after gear and killing bigass NMs has been the point of most MMORPGs. Look at Diablo2, that game was incredibly successful.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Abyssea is fun.. but its entertainment value wont last...
whatever SE releases for lvl 99 better be damn good.. or they will lose subscriptions in droves.

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We can only see where they're headed once they release the next version update.

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Originally Posted by Kits

Well that's where i come in, ill get like 5 levels or so, atleast untill pt ends, then go near a zone or something, grab a T or something, bomb it with magic till im near dead or no mp, and zone. lol.. good idea?

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It's not uncommon to gain 20+ levels within a few hours inside abyssea. In general, the exp starts slow, but increases to a pretty fast speed. Of course you can end up with a bad group.

I havent a single thing merited. my highest level i 65 drg followed by 55 blu

Oh yeah, big heads up for when you hit 90:

Most people on this game, this forum, this Earth, do not know what the hell they are talking about.

If you have a question about equipment, magic, or strategies, typically your best bet is to research the spells, effects, and monsters themselves and draw your own conclusions.

www.ffxiclopedia.org is a fairly nice resource for raw information. Take the NM testimonies with a grain of salt, however. More often than not, they grossly exaggerate the difficulty of most fights. When in doubt, try it and see what happens.

www.bluegartrls.com/forum is far and away the single best resource for accurate, tested FFXI information on the internet. However, as it is a highly endgame-oriented community, people can be harsh. I doubt anyone would give you crap over questions like these (as you can type proper English sentences and actually listen to responses), but it's no secret that people can get slammed for things there. If you were to use BG as a resource, I highly, highly recommend limiting questions to the Random Question Thread sticky in FFXI Advanced at first. BG Mods do not take kindly to people making new threads, as the idea is to conserve space on the front page by having simple discussions in the RQT and only making a new thread to discuss new content, or new findings.