It is not so much the Vahzl crystal persay but the fact he touched the Crystal Line. Part of his soul was within the Line, which is why you saw his memories when you touched the magicite in the mission Magicite and how he was resurected using those stones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo
When he touched the crystal, that set a percussion wave through the system that disrupted their hibernation. This woke them up, but after Roagrimm made his pact with Odin and the Shadow Lord used his connection within the Line into his own private magical supercharger, the "noise" prevented the proper use of the equipment. Not to spoil the ending of Zilart, but you win not by killing the princes but adding new noise into the line shutting the whole thing down.
When it comes to the crystalis core, something about a Galka's evolution into a Taleskeeper makes them compatable with the core. If they knew about Gumbah they probably would have grabbed him, but since Raogrimm was a demon, they needed the girl who could "resinate with the beastmen" or instinctively understand the language (personally I think Verena has a full blown Whisper) and use her as an extention cord between him and the core.
Religion in Vana'diel
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03-07-2013, 02:52 PMBearstar
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03-07-2013, 03:02 PMBearstarI'm thinking in terms of a ladder. As you cut off a bottom step it lowers the importance of the remaining steps. Yes the Terrestrial gods will become animals, but just as people were created by the gods, the gods were created by the Crystal. Without people below them they become the "created" and not the "creators" and become the "people" rung on the ladder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo
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03-07-2013, 03:10 PMMetaking
and everyone will be super than noone will be - Syndrome
but thinking about it i doubt alex would care one way or another but odin a being that lives on strife hate and war, paradise would be hell, i wouldn't be surprised if he dint actively try and stop it, nice bonus that his rival would never fully awaken as well.
o going through Rise of the zil agin i noticed something odd Aldo's sister says the shadow lord was controlling her during during the events of "return to Delkfutt's Tower", and not the prince im guessing its a translation error tho >.> -
03-07-2013, 03:19 PMBearstar
But who was controling the Shadow Lord's head? It would be the prince.
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03-07-2013, 04:39 PMBearstarIs this the lyrics from the version sang by the orchestra? Because the lyrics between the two are different. If you read the mission An Eternal Melody it gives the first two verses:Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaking
It all began with a stone, or so the legend says.
In ages past, a sentient jewel filled the world with life and brought forth mighty gods.
Bathed in that light, the world entered an age of bliss until, after a time, the gods fell into slumber.
That world was called Vana'diel.
Our world, Vana'diel...
However, this age will not last. The great bane will devour the fair land of Vana'diel.
The ancient seal will be broken, awakening nightmares of ages past.
A tragic age of darkness will reign.
And yet, the gods will not wake from their slumber...
That world was called Vana'diel.
I believe the song "Warroirs of the Crystal" is based off of a mix of verse 2 and 3 but otherwise the last 3 verses are not spelled out.
The great bane will devour the fair land of Vana'diel...
The ancient seal will be broken, awakening nightmares of ages past.
The blood of innocents will soak the earth, and the world will fall into fear and despair.
But as one bright star shines through the clouds at night, and as one song rings clear above the roar of beasts, we hold to one hope in these darkest of times.
That they will come, with the wisdom of ages and the strength of thousands, to deliver us from our plight. We await the awakening of the Warriors of the Crystal.
ACP does give fragments of verses but where they fit and order is up for debate.
Innocent blood spills forth onto the plains of Vana'diel.
The world shudders as she is thrust into chaos and despair.
Neither power nor destiny...
...can bring and end to what has already begun.
But as one bright star shines through the clouds at night...
And as one song rings clear above the roar of beasts...
We hold to one hope in these darkest of times.
That star is you, and the song is yours.
And someday, that hope will become our dreams...
Our prayers...
Shine forth, star of hope!
Let your song ring out across all of Vana'diel!
By the strength of our hopes and our prayers...
What was split asunder...
...Will once more become whole.
Complete and inseparable for all eternity.
As the legend began, so too does it end...
with a stone.
In ages past, the Dawn Goddess,
stricken with grief, sought to restore life
to her fallen beloved by bestowing unto him
the light of the true crystal.
The crystal shattered, and in the bodies of
countless mortals the Twilight God was reborn.
The crystal's holy light extinguished evermore,
Paradise was no longer, and a new world of
mortals was birthed in its stead.
That world was called Vana'diel. -
03-07-2013, 07:19 PMMetakingtrue but generally someone being controlled has no willpower of there own and i remember her saying something along the lines of being controlled by the shadowlords will alone tho your probably right it just strikes me as odd. Also i believe the version i posted is the orchestrated version, which was before acp and i always assumed was the last verse, and still seems a lot more dangerous for mortals to hear than " As the legend began, so too does it end...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearstar
with a stone.
In ages past, the Dawn Goddess,
stricken with grief, sought to restore life
to her fallen beloved by bestowing unto him
the light of the true crystal.
The crystal shattered, and in the bodies of
countless mortals the Twilight God was reborn.
The crystal's holy light extinguished evermore,
Paradise was no longer, and a new world of
mortals was birthed in its stead.
That world was called Vana'diel. "
tho i guess it would destroy most of the games religions >.>
O and while somewhat on the crystals why where there never any beastmen crystal warriors i mean looking at the tonberry its obvious the beast men were also made at the same time as the 5 primary races... i mean only real thing i can think of is the primary races are the zil and all the beastmen sprung from the Kuluu tho i cant think of this subject ever being touched other than(and we know this is wrong) that promy made all the beastmen to appose altana. -
03-08-2013, 12:43 AMZiyyigo-TipyigoDon't forget that the Shadow Lord is more of a peer than an underling in the grand scheme of things. Remember that he was present at Apocalypse Nigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaking
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03-08-2013, 01:05 AMRustic
Spolier warning:
Let's look at it this way. Raogrimm basically dies. His original body is broken and useless. The pact crafts him a new, artificial form courtesy of Odin (thus it's weakness to Demon Killer- it's made the same way the Kindred were, even if it's occupied by a Galkan soul). It draws power via the Galka sin of Rage, but from the act of betrayal by a Hume- thus, Vahzl is being tapped to sustain it. -
03-08-2013, 04:08 AMBearstar
The tonberry are basically what happens to a soul that has eternal life but not eternal youth. With the emptiness removed they rotten and decayed over 10k years into there current form. The other beastmen races are never spelled out except when those races are kimeras. But Esha does say that the myth of promathia's creation of them is wrong. But how ever they were crafted they are equal to the five races as they both react to the song the same way in a cs in the final part of ACP.
And to Rustic's comment I still do not believe what crystal he touched matters. He was attacted to the Crystal Line. My proof is the final fight in RotZ, one of the set of final cs's in Dynamis-Tavnazia, and Apocolipse Nigh. That's all I can say without being spoiler blocked. -
03-08-2013, 04:21 AMZiyyigo-TipyigoDammit! I'm allergic to endgamey stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearstar
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03-08-2013, 08:44 AMMokeilYou know, I rather think I skipped most of those side quests. Most CoP areas were rough places to be a Summoner in back in those days. Thank you for bringing them to mind! I shall make it a point to do them just as soon as I manage to snag a new power supply for my home PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearstar
Now, this is an interesting idea! Do you have proof to back this up, or is it supposition? I'd always interpreted these lines to be more along the lines of a god speaking to a lesser being, while acknowledging that "while you are individuals, you are united in pursuit of a single goal." The idea being that, while we Adventurers are weak on our own, together we can challenge even the gods themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearstar
This then tied into another theroy I had...
Having established (via CoP) that we are the true Warriors of the Crystal spoken of in the song, I also theorized that we would also be the ones to re-establish Paradise. Not by reuniting the Great Crystal, as the Zilarts wanted, but rather by reuniting the light of the Mother Crystals as reflected through us, i.e. not in the literal sense, but figuratively. If we can challenge the gods by working together - standing united - we could eventually make Vana'diel a pretty darn spiffy place to live in, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearstar
Alas, as with most things prophetic, there is little actual proof for my theory. Just my own interpretation on things. But I liked the way it fulfilled the terms of the prophecy/song in a way that didn't end with the world I love being winked out of existence.
I think being a true Warrior of the Crystal is more a meta-physical thing. If you're talking about the Ark Angels, those are Twisted Mockeries created by the Zilart Princes in a mad and desperate attempt to fullfill the terms of the prophecy/song so that they could say, "See? We've got all the pieces just like it says, so we'd like our Paradise back, now, thanks." The Ark Angels also had the benefit of being really nice beat sticks the Zilart could use to keep people in check. It was win-win for them, until we came along and broke their toys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaking
We (who completed CoP, at least) on the other hand, are the true Warriors not because we were born special, or because we were touched by some arcane power beyond the ken of mortal man, but because we are ourselves, and in being so we embody the virtues of the Crystals (their "light" with which we can push back the darkness). OK, yes, the extra power boost from the light of the Mother Crystals that allowed us to resist Promathia's power helped, but those lights aren't what brought us to that moment - then and there - ready to fight for our world. That was all pure us being awesome.
By and large, the Beastmen are just too tightly wrapped up in the Chains (the five great flaws) to rise to that sort of level. They spend most of their time squabbling and warring and killing. Not to say that the player races haven't made mistakes in their pasts, but I like to think we've gotten better. -
03-08-2013, 01:31 PMMetaking" Grav'iton: The Kuluu who survived the happenings of that day fled here. However, the power of the crystals left its mark on us. As time passed, our bodies and minds degenerated into the form you see standing before you. "Quote:
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03-08-2013, 02:20 PMZiyyigo-TipyigoArmathrwn Society.Quote:
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03-08-2013, 06:48 PMZhronne
Back on the topic of Alexander, the ruins get called "Ruins of Al'zadaal" in some place.
Emperor "Al'zadaal" known by everybody as "Alzadaal".
Notice the way it's written? It's zilartian!
Could it be Al'zadaal was originally a Zilart who escaped to the near east?
We'll never know, the end of ToAU is incredibly rushed anyway. -
08-10-2013, 05:10 PMBearstar
I'm adding to my list of Chains of Promathia storyline quests! Beyond Signed in Blood, The Search for Goldmane, Tuning In, Into the Depths, and Missionary Moblin, I've come across A Chocobo's Tale. It is tied to The Search for Goldmane plot wise but is a seperate questline.
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08-10-2013, 05:19 PMOmnysValefor
Reincarnation is real in the game world. Why, I remember many times that I died and was reincarnated as a level 74 paladin!