Off-topic but, MAN are you ever right about this. Those versions are the far superior ones with tons of new and desired content and we never got to play them. Still bugs me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
PS2: Seekers of Adoulin
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01-11-2013, 12:47 AMMefuki
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01-11-2013, 12:58 AMZiyyigo-TipyigoHell might freeze over; it may be a part of the PS3 re-release of X.Quote:
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01-11-2013, 03:28 AMDemon6324236
I rather the KH ones more than the FFX ones, FFX ones had good additions, however KH had alot more to offer in my opinion, such as RE:Chain of Memories, and the area where you could fight Xemnas before KH2, or the area where you could fight all of the 13 Org members, and the 13 Mushrooms, oh how I want that game... ;;
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01-11-2013, 05:22 AMStingRay104
All this nonsense against the game is just that, nonsense. JP is getting the ps2 version, they already have the translations for the pc and xbox versions, they can easily make it down load only with the code, sure it would take ps2 users longer to download but then they could enjoy the game they've been playing. Or how about the ps3 upgrade. This shouldn't be an issue SE, if you have the game already set up for 3 systems, and plan on releasing it to the states, then it should be released on all 3 systems in the states, THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE!!!!
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01-11-2013, 05:52 AMAlhanelemapparently it is, because you don't seem to understand that it is purely a business decision. Very few people play on the PS2 in the US, and it is no longer being sold in the US, and no major stores in the US still carry playstation 2 games (used doesn't count). Even if SE did want to bring it here, no store would sell it. It has nothing to do with code, translations or anything else. It's purely about business. They can't just "upgrade" it to the PS3, either. The playerbase is not growing, it makes no sense for them to officially expand onto a new platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by StingRay104
THE PS2 IS (ALL BUT) DEAD IN THE STATES. GET OVER IT. Get an xbox or get a PC, and deal with it.
The ONLY reason it's coming out on the ps2 in Japan is because they still sell the ps2 there (not for long though) and they still sell ps2 games there, and a much larger portion of Japanese players are still on the ps2. It's not like they didn't do a survey a while back to figure out how many people were still on the PS2 and where. This decision is likely in large part based on that survey. -
01-11-2013, 06:39 AMZiyyigo-TipyigoQuote:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_2_classicsQuote:
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01-11-2013, 07:02 AMAlhanelemBecause, people don't get it, and I'm making an apparently futile effort to help them get it?Quote:
(And you're posting in this thread because...?)
What business is it of yours why I post in any particular thread. I post in a thread because for some reason or another, I see something in it I want to comment on or the subject interests me.
PS2 classics are not "upgrades." Also, maybe I'm wrong here, but the original game probably has to have sold X number of copies to be considered for it (like Greatest Hits, Nintendo Selects, etc).Quote:
PlayStation 2 Classics are in their original form. These aren’t remasters, and therefore don’t have Trophy support
In the end, it doesn't matter how much the remaining PS2 players in the US kick and scream, it's not coming. I really don't know why you all aren't suprised this didn't happen sooner.
How many people out here would buy those soundtrack discs? I'm sure a few would (I would!) but their marketing directors and business people with black suits and ties probably don't think it will sell well enough to be worth doing. It's the same reason as any game and any piece of merchandise that doesn't get brought over here- They don't think it will sell well enough. It's as simple as that. There is no other reason. They don't hate us, they just don't think we'll buy it.Quote:
And that's why nobody outside Japan can buy soundtrack discs. Oh, wait...
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01-11-2013, 07:20 AMZiyyigo-Tipyigohttp://store.na.square-enix.com/stor....#.UO8-JKPGOM8Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
http://store.na.square-enix.com/stor....#.UO8-KqPGOM8
http://store.na.square-enix.com/stor....#.UO8-LaPGOM8
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01-11-2013, 09:49 AMAlhanelem
What are those links supposed to tell me?
Linking me to things that ARE being sold doesn't tell me anything. I'm not humiliating myself. Your post implied you were talking about something that isn't being sold here- yet they are. The only reason to do that would be to troll me. (this is exacerbated by your setting a level 1 mule as your "main job" - done by everyone who wants to hide so they can troll with no repercussions)
May I ask what soundtrack CDs, which can easily be enjoyed by non-players, have to do with releasing an expansion on a defunct-in-the-US console? I hope I'm not "humiliating" myself too much by asking this. -
01-11-2013, 10:16 AMZiyyigo-TipyigoTo recognize sarcasm? To pay more attention to news updates on playonline.com? To do a little research before shooting off your mouth? To not shoot your mouth off on topics that have zero impact on your life to begin with? Where this teachable moment takes you is truly up to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Yes, because I take all my mules to 30 just to unlock summoner.Quote:
(this is exacerbated by your setting a level 1 mule as your "main job")
Excuse me, I forgot your difficulties with sarcasm. But this brings me back to my earlier point: think before you write.
The CDs are digital optical media, in an industry-standard size and format, that were pressed in a limited run, and yet somehow, somehow managed to at least break even.Quote:
May I ask what soundtrack CDs, which can easily be enjoyed by non-players, have to do with releasing an expansion on a defunct-in-the-US console?
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01-11-2013, 10:29 AMSp1cyryanOh please, if you could afford a PS3 then chances are you have paid for a computer that can run this game better than a lolPS2. This game came was released compatible with Windows 2000. I am sure you bought a new computer in the last 13 years. If you want to run at 2048x2048 then just go get a $50 graphics card.Quote:
Originally Posted by animeregion
This game has (as recently as December to a week or so ago) been ~$10-15 for the entire add on and the hat and that nonsense. If you need to, cancel for a month, and there you just saved enough money for the game on PC without actually doing anything.
Since SE benefits from your monthly payments more than buying the discs you should have no moral quandary just pirating the game and putting it on your PC if you rather go that route.
PS2 users should have either migrated to Xbox 360 or put a USB controller on their PC YEARS ago. Sony just killed the PS2 a few days ago as it is. It is time to move on. -
01-11-2013, 10:35 AMAlhanelemLast I checked, the optical media wasn't the sole cost involved with publishing a physical product in the United States from Japan. But I don't claim to be an expert on the publishing process. no matter how cheap the media is, you don't launch a product in a particular region if you don't expect at least X amount of sales to come out of it.Quote:
The CDs are digital optical media, in an industry-standard size and format, that were pressed in a limited run, and yet somehow, somehow managed to at least break even.
Consoles based on optical media didn't beat out cartridge-based consoles because everyone loved load times. Optical media consoles dominate because optical media is cheap
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01-11-2013, 11:48 AMAldersydeThe thing is, consideration of more than sales and costs should go into deciding whether a product should be distributed in a particular region. In most large corporations, there is continual tug-of-war between accounting-types and marketing-types, because the latter knows that that if they let the accountants control these decisions, short-term numbers look good but ultimately it ends with lower sales and angry customers. Goodwill counts for a lot in business. That's why most companies show losses in certain facets of their operations and profits in others; smart companies are willing to, and do, take losses to keep their base happy because loyal customers will come back and purchase products that are highly profitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
And really, given some of SE's massive losses last year (at least the latter half) and layoffs in their NA branch just this past December, SE is no expert in making good decisions about what products to make and distribute in particular regions. Making a particular business decision doesn't necessarily mean making a correct business decision. Sure, they'll save some money on distribution but they'll squander a lot of intangible value by telling formerly loyal customers to get lost. SE built its name on the backs of console gamers and it should remember that. It's never a good business model when you start telling people you don't want their money, especially when it will halt the flow of monthly payments. But hey, this is the same company that just a little over a year ago that decided it didn't want to take credit card payments from their NA clientele (while continuing to take JP CC payments) and then completely underestimated the angry, vociferous response the decision would get from its playerbase.
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01-11-2013, 12:28 PMStingRay104
Alhanelem,
Did you miss the part where i mentioned the game can be easily purchased as a digital download? Ya it is time to stop the "open mouth, insert foot" mentality. I know ps2 games don't sell in stores because it's dead, thats why i said digital download like the mini expansions. -
01-11-2013, 12:47 PMAlhanelemWell, about as well as CAPCOM or any other JP publisher understands it (which isn't much).Quote:
Yup, SE sure does understand its NA market.
We've had to wait about a year and a half for Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, which until not too long ago we didn't think was going to come at all, and don't get me started on Mega Man lol...
except those add-ons were contained completely within patches- they contained a minimal amount of new art assets (no new areas), so it was easy to do. So without developing a new means of doing so, to release the expansion digitally on the PS2 would mean releasing a several-gigabyte version update. Then there wouldn't even be any point to releasing a disc anywhere because the version update would have all the data.Quote:
Did you miss the part where i mentioned the game can be easily purchased as a digital download? Ya it is time to stop the "open mouth, insert foot" mentality. I know ps2 games don't sell in stores because it's dead, thats why i said digital download like the mini expansions.
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01-11-2013, 12:50 PMZiyyigo-Tipyigo
Something interesting came up while I was talking with a new player in my LS: people who came to FFXI recently got here by buying UCAE for $5-$10 online, and they're not all that eager to spend several times more than that on just a single expansion. If Ultimate Collection players do get into Seekers of Adoulin, many will probably wait for price drops.
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01-11-2013, 12:52 PMAlhanelem$29.99 is really not that bad. I'm sure if they get the game from steam or something that they can catch a discount on a sale, but during the holiday sale just now, all SE games except XI were discounted...Quote:
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01-11-2013, 02:19 PMbungiefanNAA fairly mid-range current computer can play PS2 games via emulation, there are PS2-style PC controllers, and there are translation patches that are complete or near completion for almost all of those games, and many other Japan-only games. Front Mission 5 and Namco X Capcom being on the list of completed translations, and several of the Tales games in progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mefuki
As for stores not spending the shelf space to carry the discs... SquareEnix has their own online store, and I bet Amazon and Ebay sellers would also bother to carry it. Shopping online is becoming very common now. Even better would just be pushing out a POL update that allows expansions to be installed without a disc, so you only need the core game to have it install the rest of the expansions.
Oh, and there is one more production cost of an NA release you guys aren't considering, which XSeed recently mentioned as why some games weren't being released in Australia. Getting a rating from the ESRB, CERO, PEGI, or whichever rating system, costs money. They need to recoup that cost from the game sales (well maybe not with the subscription fee for this game, but they still ideally want to). Each platform it is released on has to be rated seperately, with a seperate fee.
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01-11-2013, 05:42 PMCrimsonHarvest
This is all nonsense. Square-Enix made a deal with SCEJ to publish the expansion in Japan, and they couldn't make that same deal with SCEA. Or didn't bother because of the survey etc. The licensing and Sony's QA fee probably amount to more than would be earned by any potential sales. It's not like you can publish a game for free and without the platform-holder's consent.
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01-11-2013, 10:14 PMKagetachi
SE is not releasing a PS2 version because in the US because of 2 reasons. 1) The hardware is not officially available for sale at the moment. Meaning they don't want people buying a game in the store that can't be used by a new ps2 or compatible ps3 owner.
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01-11-2013, 10:22 PMZiyyigo-TipyigoIf indie developers can scrape together enough money to pay this fee for their $2 DSiWare download, I'm pretty sure multinational Square-Enix can pay that fee for their $30 expansion pack.Quote:
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01-11-2013, 10:25 PMZiyyigo-Tipyigohttp://us.playstation.com/ps2/systems/ps2black.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Kagetachi
No. Just as with prior expansions, you are expected to buy a separate disc for each platform you play on, hence PS2/3 player rage.Quote:
I'm not sure about this second part, but if your register the code for the expansion, does it download the content to the ps2 anyways?
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01-11-2013, 11:59 PMSarickAlthough I agree that PS2 should be moved to PS3 or at least remastered for it, your PS2 link shows a version that is INCOMPATIBLE with FFXI. That PS2 lacks a HDD and can't be upgraded to support one. So technically PS2 support isn't happening. The PS2 software for FFXI crashes all the time anyway. I have my assumptions that this is on purpose but there is no proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo
As for it being supported in one region and not the others is wrong. Even on a busyness level it should continue to be done in all regions or NONE at all! Everyone who bought the original hardware should be considered. -
01-12-2013, 12:40 AMZiyyigo-TipyigoThe instruction manuals for Treasures of Aht Urhgan, Wings of the Goddess and Vana'diel Collection 2008 all show the PS2 Slim. They were released (on PS2) after the Slim was.Quote:
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01-12-2013, 02:16 AMSNKAs much as I agree with a lot of what you're saying and please don't take any offense to this but she's right in the aspect that Sony hasn't produced any older "Fat" PS2s which allow you to install the Hard drive into the system which is the main reason people were able to play FFXI on the PS2 to begin with. The slims sadly can't do this. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo
You have to understand, FFXI is a big fucking game in the sense that it needs a hardrive to store the huge amount of fucking data the PS2 needs to access. If you even attempt to make FFXI run off the disc only, you're going to choke the shit out of the system. -
01-12-2013, 02:39 AMZiyyigo-TipyigoThat's an argument for a lack of a "Vana'diel/Ultimate Collection." Expansion discs by definition are only used by preexisting players.Quote:
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The PS2 Slim generally became available in 2004, about a week or so before the release of Chains of Promathia. Treasures of Aht Urhgan and Wings of the Goddess were released in 2006 and 2007 respectively. As I noted in the post just above yours, the instruction manuals for those two expansions even use images of the Slim in their respective "Getting Started" chapters.
If this was about "can't get new customers," PS2 discs would have stopped at Chains of Promathia. But while not even Japan is getting a PlayStation 2 version of Ultimate Collection Seekers Edition, they're still getting Seekers of Adoulin on its own disc. I'm not.
I know, I have one. But I will not be able to access Seekers of Adoulin content on it for lack of a pressed NA installation disc.Quote:
You have to understand, FFXI is a big fucking game in the sense that it needs a hardrive to store the huge amount of fucking data the PS2 needs to access.
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01-12-2013, 10:25 AMSNKYou know there are ways around this right? You could easily get the JP disc and have the software be installed on your U.S. System. The code is excatly the same so with a bootloader you could probably just install it anyways.Quote:
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01-12-2013, 10:40 AMZiyyigo-TipyigoHardware/software/network-level regional lock-outs, lack of knowledge of kanji, etc.Quote:
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01-12-2013, 10:43 AMAlhanelemyou don't need to know kanji... the data itself isn't language specific- all four languages are contained within the dats.Quote:
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01-12-2013, 11:08 AMwildspriteactually, FFXI ran on windows 98SE, think about that part for a bit, it did run it, it didn't run it well but it did run itQuote:
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01-12-2013, 11:33 AMFusionx
Old, but relevant:
http://gamerescape.com/2012/07/25/ga...012/#more-3967Quote:
GE- In North America Seekers of Adoulin will not be available for the PlayStation 2. Can you tell us what lead to this decision? It seems a bit odd to increase HDD capacity for the game on the console then only release the expansion in one territory. Why not release the expansion digitally?
SE (Answered by Square Enix, Inc.)- In evaluating the North American release of the expansion across all platforms, we needed to consider multiple factors, including the number of players exclusively on the system, and the costs associated with publishing or developing a stand-alone download. Regrettably, these two factors greatly determined our final decision to support the PC and Xbox platforms exclusively. However, we remain committed to supporting FINAL FANTASY XI on the PlayStation 2 platform for the foreseeable future.
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01-12-2013, 12:07 PMZiyyigo-Tipyigo
Again: this makes me wonder what S-E's "commitment to support" XIV on the aging PS3 will look like.
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01-12-2013, 02:57 PMAlhanelemThe game is being ported to the ps3 instead of the other way around. The UI and other components are going to be different both to better accomodate the PS3 controller and to reduce the memory requirements. But the PS4 had better have full compatibility.Quote:
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01-13-2013, 11:01 AMwildsprite
if it doesn't have full PS4 support, you can blame sony for that, sony is the reason FFXI isn't on the PS3
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02-01-2013, 05:39 AMDaginWhy no ps2 seekers again?
I myself have an Xbox and PC I play on. But two of my friends play on a BC ps3 and a ps2. They were excited when I told them of the new expansion, then I found out they wern't releasing for ps2, and they were ticked off. They are not coming back to the game. They have played on ps2 since the game came out, and got it on its release date. Even when I told them I'd chip in $50 bucks a piece to get them an Xbox, they said that wasn't the point. I think its mostly nostalgic for them. I guarantee this is going to loose SE long term monthly customers. Also it would be a great idea for SE to expand the game to other platforms, I've heard talk of PS vita, but that's all it is with SE, just talk. We are just as hardcore nostalgic as Japanese customers SE, so, please, for the love of the goddess, release this for ps2. Fix this crap, or you are going to loose your customer base one by one
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02-01-2013, 05:58 AMwildsprite
do your friends have a PC? is it older than 2002 if they do? if it isnt it will likely play FFXI, I don't think SE cares about losing a few players that have been absent from the game if they are refusing to upgrade to a PC or XB360, and yes that is the point, the PS2 is an old system, it is showing signs of age, and if they have a PC that is around the same age as the PS2 it can likely run this game, you bringing that argument back is beating a dead horse, I assure you it wont work, on the other hand if you want your argument to work come up with 100k players on the PS2 that will buy it and return, you can't because the likelyhood that there are 100k players in the US that still have a working PS2 fat that have interest in this game is very low
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02-01-2013, 06:07 AMDaginThat was quite the run on sentence there. I wasn't sure if I was reading a paragraph or a sentence, I had to stop to breathe half way through it. I GET YOUR POINT. I'm just ticked my friends who originally brought me to the game, will not be coming back. I think it's stupid my friends think that way too. But SE makes their money off of monthly subscription fees. And if I know 2 people that are quitting over this, I'm sure others are too. I'll miss you Zarr and Xavious, we had some fun times together on the game.Quote:
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02-01-2013, 09:58 AMMookies75I'm sure the rest of the game's population loves the fact that the game is hobbled because it has to also run on 10 year old hardware. Seriously... you can build (or buy) a decent pc for like 400 bux. I don't feel bad for you guys at all.Quote:
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02-01-2013, 07:56 PMCamiieIt's the ever venerated Japanese player base that's truly the problem here, but I don't see you guys going off on them like you do the handful of US players who are still on PS2.Quote:
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02-02-2013, 06:19 AMwildspriteyeah sorry about that, my grammar is pretty bad in that way :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagin
I understand this too, but getting a cheap PC that will run FFXI isnt really that terrible, I know a lot of people who did it, and you know why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagin
they saw me playing FFXI on my PC with superior looking graphics and smoother looking gameplay, and with a game controller, and on top of that they were able to get a better PC than I had for a lot less money
if you consider the prices of the game originally when buying it separately paying $40 for the ultimate seekers edition for the PC or XB360 isnt that bad.
the stubborn people holding onto their PS2 for FFXI are truly being stubborn not nostalgic, nostalgic would be taking out one of the original RPGs for the PS2, or an action game for any older console.
upgrading to a machine that can handle this game better than the PS2 is just smart, and you don't have to spend a lot to do it