Pet th - Just hear me out

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

Lol, what happens when a bst subs thf? *gasp. Poor thfs, everyone wants rheir lucky charms, just not them.

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Were talking about this one yeah? I got some BEASTLY bsts in shell, their gifts are their curse, lowmanning things, (all dynamis zone bosses, all the aby zone bosses..., any goofy t3 vnm, ..Bla Bla Bla, anyway the point is, we (me Blm, him bst, and our mithra thf).... Go into dyna valk, we kill the lock abilities nms, we go farm our big boss POP, we POP thinking cakewalk, were big bad 99s, f no raped us..... We go over what went wrong.... Lol me and the thf touched the mob.... So we huck that part out the plan, farm up another POP, thf sac pops, bst pawns NM big boss..... Blm sucked his thumb....BUT. we took a thf!!!! Lol, ..... I love my bst shell mates, ......can't stand their faulty hate mechanics.... Give one a relic though, ..... Them and their pets are going to wreck shit /thf or not., that has nothing to do with the "arguement" (I can't spell so not a quote, but a quote:).... But illustrates bst power, and lack of ......gelling with other jobs in low man situations.... The rule still stands though..... There is little a bst can't do solo.... They're just hard to include... But I do like em. (Still don't think yuly should get thf back though), (least until they un-nerf Blm aja's).... Anyway, ...that's my story and im sticking to it.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I know just what you mean. Every time I try to find an alliance to farm dynamis valkurm with, they ask if I have beast leveled , but all I have is thief. It sucks that there are all these awesome dynamis shells spamming zones in huge groups that I can't be a part of just because beast has all the TH they need.

If they would just take treasure hunter completely away from beast, then maybe I could finally get into all these huge dynamis farming shouts that I keep missing. That would also clear the zones up completely, because I'm sure that most people who farm on beast would just up and quit rather than be forced into farming on thief, or go back to spamming legion and nyzul and all those other events that beast dominates. At the very least, they would become super friendly and share all the mobs with a poor solo thief.

We should really start a thread and push for this awesome idea. /sarcasm.

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Lol you said it bub not me. The idea is very similar to nin/dnc and their lack of a voke, but arguing they should get one,.... Only diffrence being, nins were never teased with one, and had it taken away.

Oh no, I can only solo farm 250 currency a day!

This injustice shall not stand!!!

(big lolz at all the "real bsts" kvetching about all the people who leveled bst to farm dynamis in a thread where they're all crying for pet TH....to help them farm dynamis)

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Oh no, I can only solo farm 250 currency a day!

This injustice shall not stand!!!

(big lolz at all the "real bsts" kvetching about all the people who leveled bst to farm dynamis in a thread where they're all crying for pet TH....to help them farm dynamis)

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Except that's not true, it was posters who aren't even bsts who brought dynamis farming up at all. But believe what you want. After all, these are the Official Forums. It's not like you have to actual evidence to back up your arguments or even possess basic reading comprehension before you start talking out your ass.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

Except that's not true, it was posters who aren't even bsts who brought dynamis farming up at all. But believe what you want. After all, these are the Official Forums. It's not like you have to actual evidence to back up your arguments or even possess basic reading comprehension before you start talking out your ass.

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Haha, okay; if not Dynamis, why do you think BST needs some increased Treasure Hunter at all?

It doesn't matter if you were "promised" it, because even if you were it still wouldn't make sense to add non-THF TH gear and make it exclusive to the strongest soloing job/job with the absolute lowest gear threshold in the game.

I am not going to dignify something so clearly ridiculous with a more detailed explanation than that.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

or even possess basic reading comprehension before you start talking out your ass.

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it's writing ability ... what your doing is reading. just the facts. just the facts.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Haha, okay; if not Dynamis, why do you think BST needs some increased Treasure Hunter at all?

It doesn't matter if you were "promised" it, because even if you were it still wouldn't make sense to add non-THF TH gear and make it exclusive to the strongest soloing job/job with the absolute lowest gear threshold in the game.

I am not going to dignify something so clearly ridiculous with a more detailed explanation than that.

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If you paid attention to the thread in which bsts were in an uproar about SE's broken promise to add pet: th+ gear, you would know that there was a pretty sizable group (bst haters mostly) who rejected the premise that SE made a promise at all because they didn't explicitly state, as a promise, that they would add the gear. Bsts took it as a promise based on the context of Camate's post. The haters seemed to agree that inferring SE's intention from context was something that bsts shouldn't have done. Therefore, since I just consider you a generic bst hater, I'm not going to let you change the rules and let you do the same to serve your own argument. No bst stated that they want pet TH for dynamis farming. No inferring from context! Sorry, I didn't make the rules. You're going to have to talk to the Bst Hater's Union on that one. So nyah! <raspberry>

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Haha, okay; if not Dynamis, why do you think BST needs some increased Treasure Hunter at all?

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For the other 99% of the game that isn't Dynamis.

I propose BST be given a piece of gear with "Augments Call Beast" that adds TH+2 to any jug pet called while its equipped. I also propose this this piece of gear take up the ammo slot.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

That's the level that the jugs are available. It has nothing to do with anything really.

As far as the topic, I think allowing Yuly to proc higher levels of TH through combat is a great idea. Even if they just capped it at the level 3 we had before it'd be fine with me.

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Were you going to bother explaining that? Because it has everything to do with it. I can look at other equipment (let's take the line of attribute rings for example) and I see a mostly steady progression from lower level to higher level. Or does your argument have no substance? Please explain how level requirements on auctionable equipment has no bearing on power.

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Originally Posted by Aarahs

Were you going to bother explaining that? Because it has everything to do with it. I can look at other equipment (let's take the line of attribute rings for example) and I see a mostly steady progression from lower level to higher level. Or does your argument have no substance? Please explain how level requirements on auctionable equipment has no bearing on power.

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Dipper is an uncapped pet lol. It's level is based on the level of the BST calling it, not the level it can be equipped.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

If you paid attention to the thread in which bsts were in an uproar about SE's broken promise to add pet: th+ gear, you would know that there was a pretty sizable group (bst haters mostly) who rejected the premise that SE made a promise at all because they didn't explicitly state, as a promise, that they would add the gear. Bsts took it as a promise based on the context of Camate's post. The haters seemed to agree that inferring SE's intention from context was something that bsts shouldn't have done. Therefore, since I just consider you a generic bst hater, I'm not going to let you change the rules and let you do the same to serve your own argument. No bst stated that they want pet TH for dynamis farming. No inferring from context! Sorry, I didn't make the rules. You're going to have to talk to the Bst Hater's Union on that one. So nyah! <raspberry>

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Again, it doesn't matter what you think you were promised. It's a terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Oh no, I can only solo farm 250 currency a day!

This injustice shall not stand!!!

(big lolz at all the "real bsts" kvetching about all the people who leveled bst to farm dynamis in a thread where they're all crying for pet TH....to help them farm dynamis)

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You got it all wrong maaaaan.

They leveled bst to afk +2 armor, dynamis came after that!

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Again, it doesn't matter what you think you were promised. It's a terrible idea.

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Please provide examples, tia.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

For the other 99% of the game that isn't Dynamis.

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Then I have some awesome news for you: recently, the SE dev team announced you can sub THF to get the effects of TH2 on BST!

Ain't life grand?

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Please provide examples, tia.

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It's a terrible idea because you aren't asking for more TH gear for everybody, just BST.

It's a terrible idea because you're asking for a buff to the one thing BST is actually already outstanding at, rather than asking for the actual MASSIVE problems the job has (gil-for-gear playstyle, horrible gear scaling, consistent lack of utility in current endgame gimmicks) to be addressed.

It's a terrible idea because no THF is asking for the ability to use Mulsum on himself.

And for (what probably won't be, who am I kidding) the last time, I don't care what anybody thinks they were promised, because had Camate or whoever it was sworn on the lives of his children BST would be getting Pet TH gear, it would still be a terrible idea.

If only Yuly had something awesome to make it a situationally useful pet.

Maybe, I don't know, being functionally immune to wind elemental damage or something?


man that would be sick.

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And frankly, I don`t give a damn if you think my sense of "entitlement" is misguided. I personally think that if SE wants to defend some kind of TH hierarchy with thf at the top, then thf should be left to rot in other ways (that is, offensively) but if SE decided to give thfs something nice in this regard, I certainly wouldn't go into the thread raising a big stink about it, mainly because I'm not a petty douche. And if I did, I would certainly expect to be told to F-off because it would be straight up trolling to get a rise out of people. Kind of like you did with your initial post of this thread.

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So why push for BST-specific TH gear and not TH gear for everyone?

I mean, that would still be a terrible idea but at least it wouldn't make you look ridiculous.

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I may have "liked" his post but that's only because in principle, I'm not going to object to nice things for my favorite job. Who doesn't want nice things for their job?

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Retaliation would be nice for my DNC.

SE plz fix

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Originally Posted by scaevola

If only Yuly had something awesome to make it a situationally useful pet.

Maybe, I don't know, being functionally immune to wind elemental damage or something?


man that would be sick.



So why push for BST-specific TH gear and not TH gear for everyone?

I mean, that would still be a terrible idea but at least it wouldn't make you look ridiculous.

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You know that Gooey and Fatso have fantastic water resistance right? And Ralphie has thunder resistance as well? Pretty sure Falcorr is resistant to light magic and would mean a lot more if light was actually a scary element. Those are basic properties of those mob families. Yuly gains that resistance simply by the virtue of innate resistances. There's nothing "special" about it. Yuly came with everything a ladybug should have came with, because she's a ladybug.

Why don't you go back and actually read my last post instead of just interpreting what you want it to say? I'm not even advocating what you think I'm advocating. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said something quite different. But I'm not typing it out again. Go back and read it. Practice makes perfect!

Ok, I'll give you a hint. I would fully support any buff that SE decided to give out for any or all jobs. Buffs over nerfs. Always.

Oh, looks like you can't re-read it cause "someone" snitched my post out and it got nuked. Probably for "aggressive language." Tattling really did go out after grammar school you know.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

You know that Gooey and Fatso have fantastic water resistance right? And Ralphie has thunder resistance as well? Pretty sure Falcorr is resistant to light magic and would mean a lot more if light was actually a scary element. Those are basic properties of those mob families. Yuly gains that resistance simply by the virtue of innate resistances. There's nothing "special" about it. Yuly came with everything a ladybug should have came with, because she's a ladybug.

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uh

your argument is that because you have a whole bunch of other pets that do the same thing for other elements, having a pet that basically means you can, for instance, get a Masamune, Caladbolg, or Armageddon whenever you kind of feel like it isn't an advantage you consider particularly noteworthy

...ok

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Why don't you go back and actually read my last post instead of just interpreting what you want it say? I'm not even advocating what you think I'm advocating. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said something quite different. But I'm not typing it out again. Go back and read it. Practice makes perfect!

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i know exactly what you meant to say.

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Ok, I'll give you a hint. I would fully support any buff that SE decided to give out for any or all jobs. Buffs over nerfs. Always.

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I wholeheartedly support any buffs to BST that address the very real problems the job has that I mentioned further up this page.

In the meantime, again, why have you not responded to the idea of TH gear for all jobs? I do think that would be a bad idea as well, because TH is valuable enough in itself that a player ought to have to give something up in order to take advantage of it (either by virtue of subbing THF or actually bringing a main along), but at least that would almost be fair.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

uh

your argument is that because you have a whole bunch of other pets that do the same thing for other elements, having a pet that basically means you can, for instance, get a Masamune, Caladbolg, or Armageddon whenever you kind of feel like it isn't an advantage you consider particularly noteworthy

...ok

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Uhhh, no. You presented Yuly`s wind resistance as some kind of miraculous, special thing and I was just pointing out that it wasn't.

If you think that was my argument, I have severe doubts that you knew what I was trying to say in my previous post (since nuked because of "someone's" complaint).

I don't care who SE gives TH equipment to. Why would I? I already said I support buffs (through gear and abilities/traits) to all jobs. Happy?

rofl


HIGH-TIER MAGIC DAMAGE: NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BIG DEAL

has it occurred to you that giving you that option for a huge resistance to wind is the whole reason yuly happens to be a ladybug

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

I don't care who SE gives TH equipment to. Why would I? Happy?

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Okay. Why do we need TH gear to supplement what we already get for subbing THF?

While we're at it, should I be able to use Retaliation on my Dancer, and should all jobs have the ability to heal themselves with Dawn Mulsum?

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Originally Posted by scaevola

rofl


HIGH-TIER MAGIC DAMAGE: NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BIG DEAL

has it occurred to you that giving you that option for a huge resistance to wind is the whole reason yuly happens to be a ladybug

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Indubitably...my good chum.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Okay. Why do we need TH gear to supplement what we already get for subbing THF?

While we're at it, should I be able to use Retaliation on my Dancer, and should all jobs have the ability to heal themselves with Dawn Mulsum?

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Certainly...my good chum.

The original post includes nothing about gear. The original post is a request to allow DipperYuley to proc higher TH as other thf's do. It's not to give the master the th trait of any kind, but allow the thief type pet to proc higher TH.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...uckDynaBST.jpg

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?! D=

I mean, we're throwing you bones in Voidwatch for the love of everything that is good (I've invited BSTs for voidwatch)

Note that they'll be in there regardless of th.

The original post includes nothing about gear. The original post is a request to allow DipperYuley to proc higher TH as other thf's do. It's not to give the master the th trait of any kind, but allow the thief type pet to proc higher TH.

I just hate Dynamis being filled with only BSTs these days...need to thin out the herd somehow :\

I'm glad I finished my first relic while I still could. I'm just gonna farm for gil and buy currency instead for my second relic.

They're going to be in there regardless of TH level.

and?

http://scraemy.free.fr/south_65.gif

Another troll?

The original post includes nothing about gear. The original post is a request to allow DipperYuley to proc higher TH as other thf's do. It's not to give the master the th trait of any kind, but allow the thief type pet to proc higher TH.

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Originally Posted by Malthar

Another troll?

The original post includes nothing about gear. The original post is a request to allow DipperYuley to proc higher TH as other thf's do. It's not to give the master the th trait of any kind, but allow the thief type pet to proc higher TH.

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you are missing the whole point of bst being a pet job, eh?

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Originally Posted by Malthar

The original post includes nothing about gear. The original post is a request to allow DipperYuley to proc higher TH as other thf's do. It's not to give the master the th trait of any kind, but allow the thief type pet to proc higher TH.

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Yes, but why

why does BST need this thing when nobody thinks BST is in any way deficient at farming

why should dipper yuly be able to proc higher levels of TH when anybody subbing THF cannot

edit: your OP mentions the denial of pet gear as justification for your suggestion, but it doesn't really matter; more TH for BST is a crummy idea regardless of where it comes from

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Yes, but why

why does BST need this thing when nobody thinks BST is in any way deficient at farming

why should dipper yuly be able to proc higher levels of TH when anybody subbing THF cannot

edit: your OP mentions the denial of pet gear as justification for your suggestion, but it doesn't really matter; more TH for BST is a crummy idea regardless of where it comes from

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Look, here's the basics:

If a person intends to (or has the means to) farm in a group, then beast is not going to be as good of a choice for getting drops as thief is, Regardless of the level of TH on his pet.

If a person intends to solo, they will likely go beast.

If said soloing person does not have TH in effect on his pet, he will probably have to kill whatever it is he is killing more times to get the desired drop.

This means that other people wanting to kill the same NM or farm the same area just have more competition for said area / NM.

Do you see the problem? Your basically saying "I would rather get screwed out of claim on an NM or ??? or fight with people over farming a certain area than let this guy have an easy time of things."

You are pulling the classic crab in a pot maneuver. Gotta hold the other guy down cuz I don't care about making myself better.

Arguing about how TH is super powerful and important so other jobs cannot have it just leads the devs to believe that thief is super powerful and awesome as is. Which leads to bst getting TH taken away and thief getting nothing in return. Everybody loses and now I have to compete with the same beast in dynamis for even longer because its taking him longer to build his relic.

They basically addressed the fact that thief is not nearly as good at farming as it should be by nerfing a couple of pets because making thief more powerful would have been hard. Unfortunately all they did is annoy bsts.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

you are either ignorant or ignoring an important point.
They are wearing perle armor. they were abyssea burned their levels and they are players who only have bst for dyna farming. They are the same players who were bandwagon, sam, bandwagon mnk, bandwagon anything.

don't blame the enthusiasts of the job for what some ill-mannered players do.

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Perhaps on your server their all deck out in perle, I've seen them deck out all the way up to NNI gear.

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Originally Posted by Nawesemo

Lol you said it bub not me. The idea is very similar to nin/dnc and their lack of a voke, but arguing they should get one,.... Only diffrence being, nins were never teased with one, and had it taken away.

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Animated flourish is not consider a voke in that combo?

Look the root of the issue here is over camping during JA proc time's. No one bother's with the other's because there proc rate's suck. If anything needs to be address it's that. I don't know how the dev's can look at the zone's at this point and not think to themselves "why is every one /DNC" and not see a problem with it.

Going for Magical proc's slow's killing down to a crawl

WS proc's don't work because the mob die's too quickly. And un like the JA proc, you can't turn to halt damage and continue to try and proc.

If these proc rate's were given a better % you wouldn't see so many /dnc running around. Or a mob type completely wipe out for the next 5 minutes because of over camping.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

more TH for BST is a crummy idea regardless of where it comes from

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Geez, you act like BST is competing against THF for party spots. You guys can push TH higher than anyone, and it will always be thus. You guys have abilities that are much more complimentary to party play than BST. All we have is Killer Instinct, and we can't even take advantage of it a good chunk of the time. So what if we have a little TH working for us when we're out on our own. It's not hurting you except maybe in Dynamis, but that's because Dynamis is now and always has been a fustercluck of a hitshole. Are you upset that a BST doesn't have to call on your aid to apply TH to something? Don't you think BSTs get upset sometimes that people hardly ever need them?

tyrantsyn is right on the money. The trouble w/ Dynamis has nothing to do w/ BST. Its all about proc rate for JA's vs WS and Magic. If the proc rate were adjusted, the currency famers would be better distributed throughout the zones.

As far as Pet th goes, I miss it more for NM gear hunting than anything else.

As far as jobs /thf not being able to match yuly for TH pre-nerf, its false.
Taru-taru sash gives all those jobs a shot at th3 which was the same yuly got. Blu mage can get th2 w/out /thf and I hope they dont' nerf that.

just clearing up some facts. I'm pretty tired of this discussion.

Animated flourish is not consider a voke in that combo?[/QUOTE]

lol, you know I know you know its not.

Camiie and Frank, nothing you've said about why BSTs should get more TH wouldn't apply to DNC. Should DNC not get more TH by those rationales?

WHY BST AND NOT EVERYBODY ELSE?