Puppetmasters! Lend me your LIKES!!!

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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This response just makes me think of a quick excuse to say no. A very weak and poorly thought excuse If I may say. I would be a lot more happy with a more sincere excuse like "developers have a lot of things in their hands atm and we too busy to do it" or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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I think the Development Team needs to elaborate on this. I'd really like to see them try to dig their way out of this one. I'll go make the popcorn.

Worst

Response

Ever.

As someone who only has lvl 30 PUP (my only sub-75 job left) I feel for all the PUPs with this response. 2H users can equip weapon and grip. Dual-wielders can wear 2 1h weapons or 1 and a shield, and every other job can equip stat boosting ammo which can be swapped for WS and TP or other specific uses (-DT/HP etc.)

PUP gets just their H2H weapon, no grip, and only gets the stat boost from the animator, but gets no option to swap for store TP during TP phase, or for STR/ATT during WS, due to the loss of TP by doing so. If Magian trials are out fo the question, at least let PUPs swap their animators in/out without losing their TP.

they'd have to change animator's equip slot to do that meaning no oil and animator at the same time anymore, but that wouldn't really be a great loss.

main point though is that you'd be able to actively change your animator to the situation without any penalty if they adjusted equip slot to ammo even a DW has to lose all their tp to equip STR, PDT or evasion weapons when the situation warrants it so being able to hot swap the animators... wouldn't be against it but just wouldn't be... balanced..............

Give us an Animator then that has some actual DD stats on it. Automaton damage means jack nowadays when you need BRD/COR/SCH/SMN buffs to kill anything end-game nowadays, and pets are excluded from all of those, rendering them mostly useless.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

As opposed to people who dual wield trial weapons.........this doesn't make sense. Ok how about this can you at least add some new animators with decent stats that we would want, for instance an animator with pet haste 10~25%.

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What Okipuit means is that MNK would not be able to equip the animator, and therefor would lose out on dual wielding automaton stats augments. (Animators would be pet stat only, obviously.)

Damn, that STILL doesn't make sense...

Maybe it would make more sense if it was the VW Deluxe Animator that could be augmented. Devs love those VW rare drops.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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wow this has to be the dumbest response I have seen in a while.

Hey, have you heard of AMMO that adds stats that every job but Pup and Rng can utilized?

What is wrong with you people, do you have some magic 8 ball you use to come up with your replies.

Needless to say, I am deeply disappointed by the response of the Development Team.

I am, however, curious. Was this a knee jerk reaction by them, or did they actually think this through and conclude that it wouldn't be "balanced" or something?

I will say, though, that even though PUP is by far my most favorite job out of the 20, it is disheartening to see that this idea is being rejected. BST can augment TWO axes, thus doubling up on the potency of the "Pet: Damage Taken" stat. PUP are only allowed to do it once, via H2H trial. That, right there, is not balanced at least when you compare it to what BST can achieve.

Wait so you are telling me that a puppetmaster who is only able to get/use
Oxyyranis
DMG+34 Delay+61
VIT+11
Pet: PDT -11%

Is the same as a Beastmaster who is able to dual wield a Pair of these?

Astolfo
DMG:74 Delay 276
VIT+11
Pet: PDT -11%

When the main focus of this trial is the Pet PDT How is this even remotely balanced?

come on, throw us a bone here

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Originally Posted by Etrigan

Wait so you are telling me that a puppetmaster who is only able to get/use
Oxyyranis
DMG+34 Delay+61
VIT+11
Pet: PDT -11%

Is the same as a Beastmaster who is able to dual wield a Pair of these?

Astolfo
DMG:74 Delay 276
VIT+11
Pet: PDT -11%

When the main focus of this trial is the Pet PDT How is this even remotely balanced?

come on, throw us a bone here

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100% in agreement with Etrigan

Or how about a hypothetical here?

I'll speak about myself here and use myself in this situation.

I use WHM Automaton nearly 100% of the time. I primarily go PUP/THF to farm in Dynamis, and PUP/WAR to farm Allied Notes in Campaign.

I use this weapon...

Revenant Fists +2
DMG +31 Delay +55
"Victory Smite"

As you can see, I went with that weapon. Although I do have a STR path Taipan Fangs in the works, the process of farming Flame Geodes is taking a very long time, and at current Auction House prices, they aren't worth buying in bulk in order to complete them. So the only "benefit" I am getting from my Trial of the Magians weapon is the use of "Victory Smite" which itself, got the nerf bat a few updates ago.

Lets pretend that SE, and the Development Team actually thought having a set of trials for Animators was a good idea. Since I use WHM puppet almost exclusively, I want to build a "Automaton: Cure Potency +11%" Animator for myself.

So, my question is.....is THIS:

Revenant Fists +2
DMG +31 Delay +55
"Victory Smite"

"Curing Animator"
Automaton: Cure Potency +11%

....considered "Unbalanced?"

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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This must have been really hard to post, they don't really think the community would believe that excuse did they?

Okipuit, please smack the palm of your preferred hand with all your might on the cheek of the person who told you to give that answer.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Seha

Okipuit, please smack the palm of your preferred hand with all your might on the cheek of the person who told you to give that answer.

Thanks.

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Please don't do that. That is not the answer.

The only way for Mr. Matsui and the Development Team to take notice is the LIKE! Button. If there are enough LIKES, then they will have no choice but to address this and take the idea into very serious consideration.

LIKE the OP, and LIKE the post I made in the "Matsui" thread in the General Discussion forum. Someone earlier in this thread had provided a link. I'll repost it here soon as I find it.

Found it! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post356132

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Originally Posted by Siviard

Please don't do that. That is not the answer.

The only way for Mr. Matsui and the Development Team to take notice is the LIKE! Button. If there are enough LIKES, then they will have no choice but to address this and take the idea into very serious consideration.

LIKE the OP, and LIKE the post I made in the "Matsui" thread in the General Discussion forum. Someone earlier in this thread had provided a link. I'll repost it here soon as I find it.

Found it! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post356132

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I hope you don't honestly believe that do you?

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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Aaaand here's the community rep giving us more nonsense. If you're going to come up with reasons to say no, make them make sense.

Well, it's better than advocating violence/physical harm towards Development Team members.

What's your suggestion, then?

My suggestion is just make the suggestion. They will listen or not listen. There is not a damn thing you or any of us can do about it. They don't care about us, they have no respect for us, they probably don't even like at us, which is very apparent in their their idiotic, insulting, demoralizing comments.

Honestly there are two ways to balance this out, first to give either additional trials to the 2H weapon folks to get their weapons up to where the dual wielding ones are ie:// take H2H Pet: -11% PDT to -22% PDT

simply put there needs to be additional trials because the amount of effort to get it needs to be equal.

OR

what everyone is asking for give us magian animators that allow us to choose what we want between the two.

ie:\\ cure potency, PDT, MAB, etc

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I forgot the third option, which is the most likely to happen

SE chooses to ignore us as PUPs are not relevant to them.

Is SE assuming here that they would have to make augments for Animators to be equivalent to the ones on weapons? Example: Earthen Animator VIT+11 PDT -11%? I wouldn't expect that. I would expect something closer to the amounts typically found on Ammo. I mean I have a Demonry Core on my BST with DEX+4 and Pet: Acc +4. What would be so broken about numbers closer to that? What if it was VIT+5 and PDT-5% for an Earthen Animator? Would that be so game-breaking?

I'm starting to wonder if this is happening there....

Devs: Woohoo! Trial of the Magians is FINALLY complete!

Okipuit: Hey, there's a suggestion here asking for Animators for PUP to be added to Trial of the Magians.

Devs: WTF we just finished with Trial of the Magians, we're not going to back to work on it again just for PUPs. Tell them to GTFO

Okipuit: ........what do I tell them?

Devs: Make up some BS, we don't care!

Okipuit: .......wtf?

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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That was the entire point of the suggestion in the first place..... because

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Originally Posted by Etrigan

Wait so you are telling me that a puppetmaster who is only able to get/use
Oxyyranis
DMG+34 Delay+61
VIT+11
Pet: PDT -11%

Is the same as a Beastmaster who is able to dual wield a Pair of these?

Astolfo
DMG:74 Delay 276
VIT+11
Pet: PDT -11%

When the main focus of this trial is the Pet PDT How is this even remotely balanced?

come on, throw us a bone here

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H2H gets 1H level stat bonus from magian trials, but cannot be used in pairs like actual 1H weapons. That is significantly unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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Like a BRD with Carnwenhan + Gjallahorn/Daurdabla?

Or a SAM with Amanomurakumo/Masamune + Yoichinoyumi?

Or even weird combos such as a RDM Dual Wield Excalibur + Mandau or PLD Dual Wield Excalibur 99 + Excalibur 95?

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Is SE assuming here that they would have to make augments for Animators to be equivalent to the ones on weapons? Example: Earthen Animator VIT+11 PDT -11%? I wouldn't expect that. I would expect something closer to the amounts typically found on Ammo. I mean I have a Demonry Core on my BST with DEX+4 and Pet: Acc +4. What would be so broken about numbers closer to that? What if it was VIT+5 and PDT-5% for an Earthen Animator? Would that be so game-breaking?

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Well here's the long and short of it....

To match the dual wielding aspect, they would have to adjust ALL 2H weapons (Gaxe, H2H, Polearm, potentially Gun and Bow) to the 22% PDT but again make it so that there is overall balance, not just giving PUP an extra bonus on the animator.

let's face it if they did then we would have Monks, Dragoons, Warriors, and Samurai all complaining because what would you give them?

My Answer would be to make a Magian Grip as well as Magian Animators, BUT this then leaves out Monks.... What do you do for them? Create a special Offhand Augment item? I Doubt it. So the only Logical Balancing thing to do would be to up the % on the Main weapons themselves.

This is much like asking for a raise at your job, it's not about you and your benefit so much as it is what can you do for the company. How will giving pup a Magian Animator change the balance of things, and by doing that who else will you piss off because their favorite job didn't get some extra Magian Trial.

In Short It is NOT Balanced the way it is, but giving us a Magian Animator (whereas that would be awesome) is sadly not the "balanced" answer.

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Originally Posted by Siviard

Please don't do that. That is not the answer.

The only way for Mr. Matsui and the Development Team to take notice is the LIKE! Button. If there are enough LIKES, then they will have no choice but to address this and take the idea into very serious consideration.

LIKE the OP, and LIKE the post I made in the "Matsui" thread in the General Discussion forum. Someone earlier in this thread had provided a link. I'll repost it here soon as I find it.

Found it! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post356132

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are they adding a "dislike" button ?

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Originally Posted by Etrigan

Well here's the long and short of it....

To match the dual wielding aspect, they would have to adjust ALL 2H weapons (Gaxe, H2H, Polearm, potentially Gun and Bow) to the 22% PDT but again make it so that there is overall balance, not just giving PUP an extra bonus on the animator.

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They wouldn't have to do that. That's just what you think they would have to do. To be honest, if they gave pup an animator with PDT -%22 and STR +100 and a unicorn to ride, I doubt that wars drgs monks etc. would bat an eye.

Even if they added animators in all the flavors that the weapons are currently available in, they still wouldn't be strong enough to make people think that PUP is somehow at an advantage over other jobs... and that's not even what camiie suggested.

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Originally Posted by Juilan

are they adding a "dislike" button ?

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See below :P

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Originally Posted by Etrigan

My Answer would be to make a Magian Grip as well as Magian Animators, BUT this then leaves out Monks.... What do you do for them? Create a special Offhand Augment item? I Doubt it. So the only Logical Balancing thing to do would be to up the % on the Main weapons themselves.

This is much like asking for a raise at your job, it's not about you and your benefit so much as it is what can you do for the company. How will giving pup a Magian Animator change the balance of things, and by doing that who else will you piss off because their favorite job didn't get some extra Magian Trial.

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This analogy doesn't really work, on a number of levels, but the overall spirit regarding how it will affect the playerbase is understandable; though I am not sure I agree with your conclusion about the only logical choice for balance.

To be honest, not directly related to the discussion of Magian animators, it would make me a lot happier if we could just equip the grips that exist now...

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Originally Posted by Juilan

are they adding a "dislike" button ?

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When I said "Please don't do that." it was in reference to a poster advocating physical harm/violence towards a member of the development team. And as we all know, it's crap like that that gets threads locked up.

Now as for me saying to hit the LIKE button to get them to notice......yeah, I'm realizing now that was an incredibly stupid thing to say. Because it is becoming more and more apparent that no matter how many "LIKE!" a post/idea/suggestion gets, about 9 times out of 10 it falls on deaf ears.

Honestly, even if we can't get magian animators, could we, at the very least, get the stats on the magian h2h weapons increased to be equal to the magian 2h weapons? If we can't use two of them, why should they have the stats equal to the weapons of which two can be freely used by other jobs, rather than the other weapons of which only one may be used at a time? That's not balanced.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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It's an ammo slot. No other job in the game get's such a crappy ammo slot. Pup is FORCED to use animators via PUPPETMASTER. The animator chosen should make a huge impact on how the job is played, not the weapon. Look at bard.

I don't normally agree with Fupa but he's dead on here. The animator is the ONLY mandatory piece of gear in the game. If a pup doesn't use one all your auto does is stand there, look silly and eat any AoE damage that's floating around. the only POSSIBLE uses it has without an animator is helping to eat a 1000 needle type effect and making your emotes a bit cooler. I mean seriously, is an end-game animator too much to ask? No one is advocating anything that would upset the almighty god BALANCE. We aren't even asking for anything that would detract from Zerg being the only end-game strategy that is allowed. We just want our beloved companion with the skinny feet to grow up and join us in end-game.

Pup is supposed to be a soloer on par with bst, maybe not as tough against melee, but compensating with increased roles our pet can fill. Now I'll grant you, my pup is able to handle alot of content, but nowhere NEAR as much as my bst, or some well-played smns I know, and the fights are considerably more difficult. a new animator that would allow me to approach the level of content those jobs can-even if it is only through haste or something isn't really asking alot, just to be put on par with the other pet jobs.

Also, those commenting on our facing the inequity of facing the 2-handed penalty while only being allowed a single hand buff are dead on as well. This needs to be fixed, and not just for us, let the monks get an off-hand buff as well. I mean the animations CLEARLY display us using 2 weapons. Seriously, I counted, I have 2 hands and they both have weapons in them, that's 2 weapons. Then I looked at my equipment screen, 1 weapon, 1 buff. I'm sensing a discrepancy here. Perhaps, nah, couldn't be that, we aren't being denied the use of our off-hand are we?

Perhaps some testing, I'll try putting on every claw I have muled and see if the 2nd slot gets filled and what buff I receive when I do. I'll /dnc to ensure it's not blocked from not having dual-wield just in case that's the barrier.

If PUP wasn't a pet job, yet still required something mandatory like an Animator to function, there would probably be a ton of endgame-worthy options. I think this is the dev team's anti-pet job bias showing through again plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening,

Thank you for the suggestions, everyone. I Just got word back from the Development Team and currently there are no plans to add animators to trial of the magians for enhancement. The reason is because you would be able to receive the beneficial effects from both h2h weapons and animators.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

If PUP wasn't a pet job, yet still required something mandatory like an Animator to function, there would probably be a ton of endgame-worthy options. I think this is the dev team's anti-pet job bias showing through again plain and simple.

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They aren't as anti-PUP as they used to be, but animators were added at a time when the devs were trying to put together the worst possible options for the newly hatched PUP. Like with the harlequin automaton, animators are one of the 'dark relics' of PUP's past. Their main purpose is to cripple the job just a bit more then needed.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

I don't normally agree with Fupa but he's dead on here. The animator is the ONLY mandatory piece of gear in the game. If a pup doesn't use one all your auto does is stand there, look silly and eat any AoE damage that's floating around. the only POSSIBLE uses it has without an animator is helping to eat a 1000 needle type effect and making your emotes a bit cooler. I mean seriously, is an end-game animator too much to ask? No one is advocating anything that would upset the almighty god BALANCE. We aren't even asking for anything that would detract from Zerg being the only end-game strategy that is allowed. We just want our beloved companion with the skinny feet to grow up and join us in end-game.

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To be fair, it's not quite that bad. The only limitation we have isthat we can't use the eight maneuvers without the animator. We can still deploy/retrieve/tactical switch/etc.