Where is my Phoenix Down?!

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Originally Posted by Vangoh

YEAH! That's the point!!!! An item to raise OTHER dead ppl without the need of casting or the need of a mage, NO ONE said anything about RR lol. As a matter of fact RR shouldn't even be mentioned here, "well ppl should be carrying RR with them at all times" well stuff happens and not everyone will follow this rule plus is just a natural FF item. Very coop too if you ask me.

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Half this thread is about RR, but no, raises need to be left to the mages. That's how the game works. You shouldn't have to rely on the WAR to get you back up. lol

Well they already have a raise 2 rod in the game...

Maybe they could add a raise 1 or raise 3 rod that is easier to obtain... I think its use would be limited tho...

Most of the time I'm playing with other people.. there is at least one mage who can raise.. and if i'm soloing a raise rod wouldn't help.. i'd just need regular reraise.

edit.. apparently there is a raise 1 rod as well .. from one of the monarch linn enm's

Why do people talk about reraise with Phoenix Down? They'd be to bring someone ELSE back up, not to reraise yourself.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Why do people talk about reraise with Phoenix Down? They'd be to bring someone ELSE back up, not to reraise yourself.

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It's the way the thread turned fast. The OP wanted a non-abyssea KI RR and called it a pheonix down.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Why do people talk about reraise with Phoenix Down? They'd be to bring someone ELSE back up, not to reraise yourself.

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way to raise other person... raise rod or raise ii rod ...

All SE would have to do is hit a few switches and make them all jobs.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

It's the way the thread turned fast. The OP wanted a non-abyssea KI RR and called it a pheonix down.

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I believe it was you who turned it into a RR thread, and it's not about reraise. So many things we could have done with a phoenix down from the start. Don't tell me you don't remember when ppl would shout for ages in valkurn dunes for a raise and nothing? Just because there are mages everywhere it doesn't mean they will always be there to raise you.

What would you have a "phoenix down" do?

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

What would you have a "phoenix down" do?

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lol if you ever played any other FF other than this one you would know.

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Originally Posted by Vangoh

lol if you ever played any other FF other than this one you would know.

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Question still stands... if you are trying to promote an idea.. it helps to state specifically what you think it should do..

Sometimes it very hard to find a person w/ the "Raise spell"

Image this: Bob meets Bob soloing in dunes, They both decided to party it up, Bob is a MNK w/o a SJ and Bob is a WAR subbing MNK they both have no way in raising each other w/in job reasons. In any case they both start wrestling... I mean "fighting" a "Sheep" and yes their both Galka, Moving on.... The "Sheep" is @ 20% and Bobs HP is not looking good... So Bob Vokes the "Sheep" trying to get the "Sheep" to dance... Wait i min.... To focus on Him, But not luck Bob dies... ; ; Bob scrams like a lil schoolgirl NOOOOoooo.. You killed my friend, I'm going to kirr you "Sheep" you... so Bob WAR subbing MNK won the battle in the fight against the "Sheep" Now Bob the MNK is on the ground dead, Bob the WAR/MNK uses an "Item" to Raise Bob.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Sometimes it very hard to find a person w/ the "Raise spell"

Image this: Bob meets Bob soloing in dunes, They both decided to party it up, Bob is a MNK w/o a SJ and Bob is a WAR subbing MNK they both have no way in raising each other w/in job reasons. In any case they both start wrestling... I mean "fighting" a "Sheep" and yes their both Galka, Moving on.... The "Sheep" is @ 20% and Bobs HP is not looking good... So Bob Vokes the "Sheep" trying to get the "Sheep" to dance... Wait i min.... To focus Him, But not luck Bob dies... ; ; Bob scrams like a lil schoolgirl NOOOOoooo.. You killed my friend, I'm going to kirr you "Sheep" you... so Bob WAR subbing MNK won the battle in the fight against the "Sheep" Now Bob the MNK is on the ground Bob using an "Item" to Raise Bob.

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Yah.. i was suggesting taking an existing in game item and making it all jobs.. there are raise 1 and raise 2 rods in the game.. that raise other people.

Although Vangoh is suggesting a phoenix down would be more than just a raising another person type of deal... he seems unable to elaborate however.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Yah.. i was suggesting taking an existing in game item and making it all jobs.. there are raise 1 and raise 2 rods in the game.. that raise other people.

Although Vangoh is suggesting a phoenix down would be more than just a raising another person type of deal... he seems unable to elaborate however.

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phoenix down is alrdy in the game drops from a BCNM and used to make RRpins? and phoenix is a Great Katana "whats his face" uses it in CoP on the airship? >.>

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Originally Posted by Krashport

phoenix down is alrdy in the game drops from a BCNM and used to make RRpins? and phoenix is a Sword "whats his face" uses it in CoP on the airship? >.>

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Ahh.. the OP was talking about making an actual phoenix down key item.. but i do agree.. it wasn't the best thought out suggestion.

What would phoenix down do? Cast raise/raise2/raise3 on target dead player. Item. Up to Squaresoft to decide the details of rare, rare/ex, ex or not and which tier of raise if not an entirely different set of properties in terms of weakness/exp loss details.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

What would phoenix down do? Cast raise/raise2/raise3 on target dead player. Item. Up to Squaresoft to decide the details of rare, rare/ex, ex or not and which tier of raise if not an entirely different set of properties in terms of weakness/exp loss details.

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What I would think if they made a "KI" for the Ability to raise other Members, I would hope it would need to wait one tally after use to recharge.

Reason: Some not "All" Would abuse it, as to not care if they live or die w/in FFXI cause "Anyone" can raise.

Other thing if SE made it in item form where Crafters can make and sell/give freebees could help "Raise" the AH cause its dieing.... :p

I don't personally see the point in this, if you can't remember to get an RR item, then how will you remember to get a phoenix down item, key item or not?

Have you played FF games? Phoenix Downs are for other people, not reraise. Even if you had reraise, what if you used it? There goes that, now you need a Phoenix Down. Damn some people are ignorant in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Have you played FF games? Phoenix Downs are for other people, not reraise. Even if you had reraise, what if you used it? There goes that, now you need a Phoenix Down. Damn some people are ignorant in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Vangoh

I'm not talking about reraise, nevermind the reraise! Don't tell me you haven't got pwned in a remote place and there are no raisers in the zone? Or you simply don't have reraise with you...not everyone carries that stuff. Just makes sense to me to have a raise item that can be used on others. Just like being able to use items on others it STILL Final Fantasy right?

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Vangoh = OP, that's his second post. Who's ignorant?

Edit: Sure, he is refering to having no one in the zone who can raise but, again, he clearly stated not having reraise.

What does that quote have to do with my post? He also realizes that phoenix downs are for other people, unlike you.

I understand what a phoenix down is.. but i still think the idea of a "phoenix down" being added to the game is unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

I don't personally see the point in this, if you can't remember to get an RR item, then how will you remember to get a phoenix down item, key item or not?

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Reason I would think: New members If I'm just in an area chillin on a job that can't raise, And I see that member get killed by a Gob's Bomb, I could use that "Raise KI" thats "Tally" or the Raise item on that member I bought off the AH. Would save me a trip back to town to job change. Zyeriis most new member would say to you "What RR mean?"

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

What does that quote have to do with my post? He also realizes that phoenix downs are for other people, unlike you.

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The thread also links the idea to key items, which are impossible to "use" on other people?

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

I understand what a phoenix down is.. but i still think the idea of a "phoenix down" being added to the game is unnecessary.

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I Agree Flunklesnarkin.

And I said they should be proper phoenix downs that aren't key items. So why should I care? Sorry you think everyone should have perfect memories, but even if they did there would still be situations where phoenix downs would be beneficial.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

The thread also links the idea to key items, which are impossible to "use" on other people?

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True. unless you can trade in that "KI" for the Ability to raise a member.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

And I said they should be proper phoenix downs that aren't key items. So why should I care? Sorry you think everyone should have perfect memories, but even if they did there would still be situations where phoenix downs would be beneficial.

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I should expect people to have perfect memories? You're the one that was calling me ignorant.

No, you're the one who has that expectation. Remember? No one should EVER forget a reraise item. Problems with your short term memory?

Let me rephrase my original question. If you personally can't remember to have RR on you at all times, you then automatically would expect some one else in the zone, where there are somehow no people with the actual Raise spell, carrying around phoenix downs? Which would be a +1 inventory space for them. Sure, your next argument would be that some one else that is actually doing stuff with you, would have them but, again the same logic applies. If you forgot your RR item, then they'll not have forgotten their phoenix downs? If you are doing something with some one else, with any remote chance of dying, there really is no excuse for at least one of you to have some form of healing to begin with. Most jobs that can heal, can raise.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

No, you're the one who has that expectation. Remember? No one should EVER forget a reraise item. Problems with your short term memory?

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You're an idiot :/ That is a horrible albeit failure of an attempt to twist some one's words to fit your skewed context.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

And I said they should be proper phoenix downs that aren't key items. So why should I care? Sorry you think everyone should have perfect memories, but even if they did there would still be situations where phoenix downs would be beneficial.

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Somebody is mayad lol

The game has so few penalties in it as is... heaven forbid you happen to forget a reraise scroll AND not have a friendly mage nearby.

Yes, all 2 person groups must be X/Healer. Ok. It's almost as if having better functioning items like EVERY OTHER FF GAME IN HISTORY would allow for that to be untrue(even though it already is.) Thanks for proving my point, phoenix downs are great. They target other people, and even with reraise they're still used. Ever played FFT? When my whitemage with reraise goes down twice, guess what comes next!

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Somebody is mayad lol

The game has so few penalties in it as is... heaven forbid you happen to forget a reraise scroll AND not have a friendly mage nearby.

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Or one on a FL or LS.

Atma of the Apocalypse prevents RR failures.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Or one on a FL or LS.

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You can't access your FL while dead.

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Originally Posted by vungster

Atma of the Apocalypse prevents RR failures.

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Content will be moving beyond Abyssea soon enough.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

You can't access your FL while dead.

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So you only ever talk to people on your FL by opening it every time?

I wonder if i can be more condescending and arrogant than coldbrand

"People still die!!1!.. what losers >:U"


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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

So you only ever talk to people on your FL by opening it every time?

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Can you point to the part of my post where I said that? You only know who's online that you recently spoke to generally in my experiences.

Either way, nothing you've said in this thread's debunked the usefulness of phoenix downs. I really don't feel the need to further argue since an item that allows non casters to raise people will always be useful, regardless of the presence of reraise in any form. Phoenix downs should be in final fantasy games, period.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

I wonder if i can be more condescending and arrogant than coldbrand

"People still die!!1!.. what losers >:U"


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What are you talking about exactly?

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Let me rephrase my original question. If you personally can't remember to have RR on you at all times, you then automatically would expect some one else in the zone, where there are somehow no people with the actual Raise spell, carrying around phoenix downs?

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People can forget things!

It's all about having options I guess aswell, I see you like to assuming w/o admitting it. But that's fine some people do. "I didn't make this Thread but it does make a few points" ~Its all about options~

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Yes, all 2 person groups must be X/Healer. Ok. It's almost as if having better functioning items like EVERY OTHER FF GAME IN HISTORY would allow for that to be untrue(even though it already is.) Thanks for proving my point, phoenix downs are great. They target other people, and even with reraise they're still used. Ever played FFT? When my whitemage with reraise goes down twice, guess what comes next!

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Words + you + my mouth = Disgraceful.
No one said they had to be maining healing. And if you have the chance to die, if you have no healing abilities, you're an idiot. There's an argument? Okay, whatever you say. Also, this isn't FFT.

If you want phoenix downs just so you don't have to have a mage or any form of healing, why should I care? If you want to not die, buy potions, oh wait, those aren't cost effective. Why would phoenix downs be?

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Can you point to the part of my post where I said that? You only know who's online that you recently spoke to generally in my experiences.

Either way, nothing you've said in this thread's debunked the usefulness of phoenix downs. I really don't feel the need to further argue since an item that allows non casters to raise people will always be useful, regardless of the presence of reraise in any form. Phoenix downs should be in final fantasy games, period.




What are you talking about exactly?

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only noobs die.. therefore phoenix down isn't useful >_>