Play as a Monster Camps

I really hope high level players cannot just grief kill people trying to level up their monsters. That would be fail.

Also, if it is PvP, can I charm other player-monsters?

Edit: Also, lets say I am playing as monster and I am in the middle of a battle with another mob, you are suggesting someone could just come up and kill me in the middle of a battle? I highly recommend rethinking the ability to avoid battling others because this present all sorts of problems. I don't think the dev team thought this through very well on the griefing side.

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Originally Posted by noirin

As was mentioned a few times, Fighting adventurers is part of a Daily Monster's life. Does this mean that we HAVE to fight? as such, does this mean i can simply be trolled when i want to fight other monsters, and have high level players hunting me down in the process? is there some kind of forced cap if a higher player attempts to hunt me? I.E. if i'm a rabbit in saruta, around lvl 5, does a lvl 99 player who randomly decides to attack me incur some sort of penalty [ A level or power restriction] ? or am i just ment to let them destroy me?

I'm more than open to the idea of PvP with this, but just like how i can do things by myself in Aby here and there, i don't want to always do this content with the worry of other players taking me out every few minutes. Rapidly dying =/= Fun Times.

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If you look at PvP in many other games, they is usually some form of level restrictions placed in lower areas (such as saruto, gusta, ronfaure).. but if you venture past those areas, you cant expect to not get killed. Part of what many PvP players enjoy is the excitement and "risk" of being in an area where you could get attacked at any time and having to be more alert and on your toes while dealing with any PvE content.

And yes it is annoying when you get killed but you cant play PvP and expect to never die by being shielded from any player attacks. This is what makes PvP what it is... dont like being randomly attacked? dont play PvP content.

Not trying to sound harsh but after years of washed out (pankration), restrictive (penalties for gear swaps in brenner ; ; ) PvP this sounds like one of the first real PvP contents this game will get (and prob the last for quite some time), so while I do agree that measures should be taken against player harrassment and grievance, I also really hope it isnt so padded to the point where the system is overly rigid and restrictive for the sake of preventing someone from QQing coz they died while playing PvP

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Originally Posted by Stolas

My main question/concern to this new feature, is how will enmity be applied in this situation?

Lets say for example I'm a Wyrm monster being engaged by a party of 6. Whats to stop me from ignoring the Paladin who wants to tank me and doing absolute terror and killing the whm instantly, going after every single squishier job besides the paladin until he's by himself?

Now granted I'm sure something like provoke forces the monster to attack you for a set amount of time will be implemented, but that will be a small comfort, and possibly force all the tankier DD jobs to have to sub war, which will take away from the dynamic gameplay of this event.

So the main point is, how will enmity affect this event, and what will maxing it out do on the monster if it even comes to that?

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I suspect that your movements and targetting are server-controlled while in battle.
* You can't dance circles around players to make them lose attack rounds.
* You auto-attack & auto-face the player with the highest enmity, and some abilities are only unlocked if certain conditions are meet (such as Spike Flail after a rear attack that draws agro).

Eww... I hope not.

if there are going to be black and white rabbits... will there be latino and yellow rabbits as well?

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Originally Posted by Mayoyama

If you look at PvP in many other games, they is usually some form of level restrictions placed in lower areas (such as saruto, gusta, ronfaure).. but if you venture past those areas, you cant expect to not get killed. Part of what many PvP players enjoy is the excitement and "risk" of being in an area where you could get attacked at any time and having to be more alert and on your toes while dealing with any PvE content.

And yes it is annoying when you get killed but you cant play PvP and expect to never die by being shielded from any player attacks. This is what makes PvP what it is... dont like being randomly attacked? dont play PvP content.

Not trying to sound harsh but after years of washed out (pankration), restrictive (penalties for gear swaps in brenner ; ; ) PvP this sounds like one of the first real PvP contents this game will get (and prob the last for quite some time), so while I do agree that measures should be taken against player harrassment and grievance, I also really hope it isnt so padded to the point where the system is overly rigid and restrictive for the sake of preventing someone from QQing coz they died while playing PvP

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The thing is, some people don't give a damn about PvP and just want to experience the leveling process and discovery of abilities as a monster "class."

If I have to deal with potential jerkwads and asshats trying to spoil my fun every time I wander around as a monster, than I expect some kind of point system for fighting other players where I can purchase gear and the like. If I can't avoid it, then I certainly expect to be rewarded for it, because I don't find forced participation in anything remotely fun.

I think it's humorous that those same people who don't give a damn about PvP will participate in this event regardless and complain the whole time.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

I think it's humorous that those same people who don't give a damn about PvP will participate in this event regardless and complain the whole time.

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That's because this is MPvP :D And we all want to be the behemoth.

Why anyone would want to be a mob with the turning radius of Texas is beyond my comprehension.

I'd rather be the one creature in the game with permenant invoulnerability. Granted they have no attacks either.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

That's because this is MPvP :D And we all want to be the behemoth.

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Speak for yourself. I want to be a caturae.

vampi here, cuz who doesn't want to walk around all the time, like they own the place ^^/

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Why anyone would want to be a mob with the turning radius of Texas is beyond my comprehension.

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Because they want to instacast meteor on an alliance of players.

I know I want to.

Actually though, I am going to be really upset if I can't play as a pixie.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Because they want to instacast meteor on an alliance of players.

I know I want to.

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We won't get to do that, though. Way too much fun.

Well, realistically, we might not be able to select targets freely, because that would just turn into "how fast can i kill their healer" thing. Maybe we'll get hate reset moves.

I want monster camps in Vivivivi's mog house. :D

I would hide under his bed and evolve by eating his moogle each time it respawns.

Saw this link on FFXIAH's forums, felt it was hilarious enough to post it here.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...23271053204871

Almost makes me want to level worm, haha!

Greetings!

We received a nice comment from the "Play as a Monster" lead developer, and would like to share it with all of you. :)

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Hello, Iwagami here, the "Play as a Monster" lead.

We have been creating the system in a way so that regardless of how much experience you have, you'll be able to enjoy the content right away. With that said, I would like to take this opportunity to talk a bit about the basic plan.

Please keep in mind that this is based on what we've worked on so far, and there is a possibility that things may change. So you may see a lot of vague words like, "planning," "intending," and "considering" popping up, but I will be very careful to not stray away from the aspects that we are placing heavy emphasis on and aspects that we would like to pay careful attention to.
I'd really like to convey to you all what this content will be like.

Basic Plan

• Being able to play the same as everyone else
  Fundamentally, all players will be beginning from the same starting point, and elements such as job levels, the gear you have, and the magic you have learned will not play a part.
  
  Because of this, players that have fulfilled the minimum requirements to participate will be able to step into the same ring as veteran players.
  
  However, we would like to add some achievement elements similar to synthetic atma, while making it so they are not an essential aspect.
  
  
• Being able to play comfortably
  We will be paying careful attention to ensure the below points are realized:
  • Unlocking new elements at a good pace
  • The timing of when new elements are unlocked is comprehensive and exciting
  • Regardless of the time and place, you will be able to pick up and start playing when you like
  • Possible to stop playing immediately when you'd like a break
  • Possible to play without limitation on play time or content cool down timers

The core system revolves around living the life of a monster. We would like to do our best to expand the playing possibilities of FFXI through living the life of a monster, making it possible to become a monster and traverse the fields or fight with other monsters and adventurers. Once you get used to life as a monster, you can battle with your friends to see who the ultimate mandragora is, or see which monster is the strongest. The way you play is up to you.

Additionally, system-wise, we would like to provide a wide array content that contains elements where you can play casually, hardcore, by yourself, and with others.

We won't be creating this content saying that certain elements are for certain kinds of players. The idea is to make it so there are a wide variety of ways you can enjoy play as a monster regardless of your situation or what's going on.

As a future step, we are considering to create content utilizing the play as a monster system, such as group battles or battlefield fights with multiple players, but first and foremost we are striving to make the basic system so that it can be enjoyed fully on its own. I apologize for making you wait so long, but I would like to release more information periodically from here on out. Thank you all very much.

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is PAAM part of the new expansion or is it coming before that?

Gah, I am so hyped for this! I only hope it does not take forever to be added. Although, I would prefer it done correctly than rushed early with bugs.

InB4 hordes of elities run around in abyssea zones killing off leach parties.

I somehow doubt it will be accessible in Abyssea, But even if it was, Forgetting the part where Battle between a Player Monster and a Player has to be consensual... Thats What i remember seeing at least. Either way, If it wasn't, Book burn leeches are open game :D!

Still, I want to start planning out my Family, Attack pattern etc now, But I don't wanna pick something like Chigoe or Apkallu now and then turn out they can't be selected... Or an Ambusher Antlion, etc.

So I can't get too hyped cause I don't know what type of Monsters are going to be available for use, Or if we'll be able to control what job they are (For Instance, Using Goblin as an Example, They have 5-6 Job types... BST, WAR, RDM, BLM, etc etc... Some monsters follow the same pattern... like Weapons are RDM or WAR, Will it auto-select or will we be able to pick which one we wanted?)

I'm still super fking Hyped, Do we have a release schedule D:? are there any rewards planned?

While the event sounds crazy fun, If its going to have any sort of long-life, It will need tangible rewards, rather rewards that help your monster, Or like Byrth(I think) Suggested, Rewards based on the Family you took to high level..

But uh, Did anyone notice they're looking into possible "BCNM" Type battlefields where you play as a Monster? I did... That looks sweet...

Yeah, I am actually looking forwards to this.

It would be fun to try a party battle where the party members were a mandragora, eruca, colibri and ... some whm mob? I actually don't know which mobs are white mages, except beastmen.

/sh <insert name here> BCNM (do you need it?) Mandragora / Treeant (Can I have it?) @4/6 !!

A system that has nothing to do with the rest of the game?

Pass.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

A system that has nothing to do with the rest of the game?

Pass.

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I'd be happy for that. Rather than have them do like they did with pankration and ZNM. Where they tie some insignificant portion of this event into another event and make both of them unpopular in the process.

Happy Friday!

We received another informative comment from "Play as a Monster" lead developer Iwagami, showing off a bit of the UI for the new system.

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Originally Posted by Iwakami

Hello, this is Iwagami, the lead developer of "Play as a Monster".

Sorry to keep you all waiting, but I'd like to share a bit more information in regards to the "Play as a Monster" system.

• Battling as a Monster
  When becoming a monster you will have access to the various abilities each monster family possesses, but to use these you'll need to have the required amount of TP. Furthermore, we are setting the system in such a way that when using the abilities it will only consume the amount of TP required. The objective of this was to create a number of possibilities while fighting. For example, when you save up 300 TP:
  
  • Use 3 abilities that cost 100 TP each.
  • Use 1 ability that costs 300 TP.
  • Use 2 abilities that cost 50 TP and 2 abilities that cost 100 TP.
  
  
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• Menu
  We will be implementing brand-new UI elements specifically for "Play as a Monster" as well as adding a new item to the menu. From this menu, you will be able to do things such as select which monster you would like to become and set your monster knowledge.
  
  I plan on sharing a few parts of that menu in the next update!
  
  While this was only a tiny bit of information, once we're at the stage where can share more I will be sure to update you all.
  
  Thank you very much!

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This better have some really nice rewards if it will receive any kind of attention @.@ Yay i'm fighting as a bunny... Yay i fought as a bunny. Meh, I fought as a bunny. Why be a bunny when i can be a Taru? I mean, I can understand galka rushing to be something different...

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Originally Posted by saevel

InB4 hordes of elities run around in abyssea zones killing off leach parties.

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As leeches.

"PCLeech uses TP Drainkiss!"
"PCLeech2 uses TP Drainkiss!"

PC Leech: AoE spam this, losers....*noms the healer*

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Originally Posted by Urteil

A system that has nothing to do with the rest of the game?

Pass.

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A waste of man power imho when those dev hours could be used to balance the game and fix existing content first (or add to it). SE has always had this mentality to add some shiny new feature just to draw in new players but they quickly forget about it (and not support any changes or new rewards). Pankration and Chocobo racing comes to mind. There was a bit of an update regarding chocobos but do you really see even 10% of the population raising chocobos to race? No.

Since the PvP will be consensual only... who is going to agree to get ganked by a party of 6 bees? It will end up just like ballista did. Why play against another player as a monster when you can do it as a player in ballista or PvP island?

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Originally Posted by Prrsha

A waste of man power imho when those dev hours could be used to balance the game and fix existing content first (or add to it). SE has always had this mentality to add some shiny new feature just to draw in new players but they quickly forget about it (and not support any changes or new rewards). Pankration and Chocobo racing comes to mind. There was a bit of an update regarding chocobos but do you really see even 10% of the population raising chocobos to race? No.

Since the PvP will be consensual only... who is going to agree to get ganked by a party of 6 bees? It will end up just like ballista did. Why play against another player as a monster when you can do it as a player in ballista or PvP island?

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Because you can!

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Because you can!

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A motto in FFXI that I live by. :3

Offtopic wise: Wow! Hey Volkai! Long time no see!!! Have you been on vacation? I haven't seen you on at all... that or we keep missing each other! =>.<;;

HK and I were just talking about you the other day! :3 How have you been?

My 2nd PC is trashed atm but I am expecting a replacement soon if you wanna do content together. Prrsha is still not level 99 but many of my alts are. :3