FINAL FANTASY XI® Seekers of Adoulin

Se have lot options to give the Na ps2 players the expansion but they choose not to , they could make download content like abyssea , or even PSN because probally most of the NA ps2 players plays on ps3 anyways

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

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Thanks for the bit of info Bayohne.

I have this followup question though as a FFXI player who utilizes both PC and PS2 platforms: Why did SE decide to even bother with the HDD space increase on PS2s in the NA market in the first place if SoA isn't going to be available for that system?

Personally i wont be effected much by this move, i'll have 2 less instances of FFXI to update in my home. Just trying to get my head around you guys and gals' reasoning here. Despite the the sentiment that is everywhere on this and other FFXI sites, i know plenty of ppl that are solely playing the game on a PS2 or PS2 emulated environment on a PS3. Gonna be sad to see them go when a new expansion hits

Any more info you can share would be great.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

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Toga party at my place in 10min, bring the chips!!! :D

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver

Why did SE decide to even bother with the HDD space increase on PS2s in the NA market in the first place if SoA isn't going to be available for that system?

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I'm not entirely sure about this, but wasn't this a global move? Not just for NA? That's how I remembered it.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

If this helps you or anybody else, it is possible to obtain gamepads very much like PS2 controllers and the most basic one works well for lots of stuff and very cheap. For ten more bucks, there's a wireless option.

If it's some other part of the "playing stuffs on PC" experience that sucks for you, such as wanting to play on a big TV rather than a small monitor, odds are very good that there's also an affordable way around it. For all the stuff a technology-fearing caveman like me, a guy who actively does not want a facebook account or the ability to check his e-mail with his phone, hates about computers...I like how flexible and cheap a gaming medium a computer can be if a little work is put in.

It's surprising sometimes. This doesn't mean every problem that everybody has with playing on a computer can be fixed, of course, but there are a ton of options for how to play compared to a console.

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Dude.. Ew, no.
Here. That's what I used when I switched over from PS2 to PC, I still use my PS2 controller. Best. Thing. I. Ever. Did.

This is outrageous bs, if they want to remove PS2 out of the scene, then don't do it half f way... I hate when they bring up segregation bs, and giving us the --Japan will get the PS2 expansion, everyone else no--.

If they are pushing/encouraging people into "upgrading" to PC what is many people is celebrating at, then don't give us half bs letting us know that Japanese version of PS2 will carry on, and for the w/e reasons NA version will be not released. Make the whole community change/upgrade to XBOX/PC. Not this uber crap in which Japan gets preference over other players.

My humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by Erics

Dude.. Ew, no.
Here. That's what I used when I switched over from PS2 to PC, I still use my PS2 controller. Best. Thing. I. Ever. Did.

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Given this thingy only costs one cent and has a customer image from a Wild Snorlax, who must have liked it so much that he or she woke up just to take a picture of it, I wholeheartedly agree this is an awesome thingy.

Really drives home the point that there's all kinds of stuff out there for playing games on computers more comfortably and most of it is pretty cheap.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I'm not entirely sure about this, but wasn't this a global move? Not just for NA? That's how I remembered it.

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Exactly, it was a global move. I'm just wondering why bother updating the NA PS2s at all. If they are going to withhold SoA from the NA PS2 market, why prep that market to begin with?

PS2 version is working fine(or as fine as it has for the last few years anyways) without the recent change. That could have been easily withheld as well.

Simple question that i hope the community reps have further info they can share with us.

The way I see it they did what they did because it was the most profitable course of action. The number of PS2 users in Japan is likely a lot higher than in the NA region, and I think it'll eventually disappear as well. And the number of PS2 users in NA is likely not high enough to warrant distributing the game all across the continent.

As for their recent hard drive related efforts, what I meant by global is that they didn't care for NA individually, but that they just did it for the "PS2", independent of region. The NA PS2s being dragged into it may be a mere consequence of that fact. But that was just my assumption, I'm not good at politics and policies in that regard to know for a fact.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

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I am disappointed to see this, but I think I understand it.

Most likely, the porting of the Japanese version of each platform to the NA version of each platform is a separate process for each platform. The cost of doing that port for the Playstation 2 plus the cost and other factors involved with distribution of that disc after it's been made to North American Players is just too high for the quantity of players that will actually want to use it.

There are a LOT more Japanese players still playing the PS2 version than there are NA players on the PS2 version. Japanese players like playing on consoles. NA players tend to play on PC much more. That's not to say there are no PS2 players in North America. They do exist. But SE now believes the quantity of them is now low enough to not be worth the cost of porting and distribution of a new title for Playstation 2. (And Sony may not want them to either.)

I see it as a business decision. If it costs more to make and distribute that disc than the amount of revenue they can earn from those players, it's best to just let it go. They also do know that many of those players will get either a PC or Xbox 360 version somewhere along the line, so they won't lose all of them as customers. They will likely lose a few. SE doesn't think it's enough to be a problem.

I do believe it has nothing to do with "PS2 Limitations" or trying to get rid of them.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

The way I see it they did what they did because it was the most profitable course of action. The number of PS2 users in Japan is likely a lot higher than in the NA region, and I think it'll eventually disappear as well. And the number of PS2 users in NA is likely not high enough to warrant distributing the game all across the continent.

As for their recent hard drive related efforts, what I meant by global is that they didn't care for NA individually, but that they just did it for the "PS2", independent of region. The NA PS2s being dragged into it may be a mere consequence of that fact. But that was just my assumption, I'm not good at politics and policies in that regard to know for a fact.

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Again, all of that is why i'm asking. Them. As in a SE community rep, who will possible have more than an opinion that can be shared with us.

I mean its in the TOS that we agree to every time we log on that 'SE can do whatever SE want' and i'm good with that. I'd just like a little more info. Don't see anything puzzling or out of the question in that.

Don't they still sell ps2 games consoles and the hdd in Japan ? Makes sense they would get on ps2 also. Big box retailers most likely don't have shelf space/ dont want ps2 games in NA anymore. SE probably thinks it Wouldnt make sense to just sell the ps2 disc version in online stores.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver

Thanks for the bit of info Bayohne.

I have this followup question though as a FFXI player who utilizes both PC and PS2 platforms: Why did SE decide to even bother with the HDD space increase on PS2s in the NA market in the first place if SoA isn't going to be available for that system?

Personally i wont be effected much by this move, i'll have 2 less instances of FFXI to update in my home. Just trying to get my head around you guys and gals' reasoning here. Despite the the sentiment that is everywhere on this and other FFXI sites, i know plenty of ppl that are solely playing the game on a PS2 or PS2 emulated environment on a PS3. Gonna be sad to see them go when a new expansion hits

Any more info you can share would be great.

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Probably because the core program is the same, just the language files vary, so they tend to have to do the same updates to the shared files between the NA and JP versions. Remember, there are seperate DATs for JP and EN/DE/FR text in the game, for items and NPCs and menus. Everything else tends to be the same files.

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Originally Posted by Infidi

Don't they still sell ps2 games consoles and the hdd in Japan ? Makes sense they would get on ps2 also. Big box retailers most likely don't have shelf space/ dont want ps2 games in NA anymore. SE probably thinks it Wouldnt make sense to just sell the ps2 disc version in online stores.

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HDDs yes, non-slim PS2 no. Model 50000 new PS2s were finally removed from Sony's online shop in Japan in 2010 or 2009. However, Japan has an impressive used product market, electronics there tend to last a long time and be well taken care of, same with some other products. SO it shouldn't be too hard for someone to dig up a PS2 there. Also, AFAIK, computers are comparitively expensive there, as well as software like Windows, so consoles are the preferred gaming system.

As for why someone would detest playing on a PC compared to a game console, besides lack of a controller (USB solves this), or a large screen like a TV (HDMI solves this, which most graphics cards have, and most HDTVs have standard monitor plugins too and are really just computer monitors with more inputs and lower pixels per inch), the answer is the support software you have running in the background. You have driver issues, antivirus and firewall software conflicts, background programs popping up or crashing, etc. Consoles tend to not have that and only run one program at a time, though the current generation has kind of changed that with the dashboard you can call up at any time.

I have spent more time on PC troubleshooting issues that cause FFXI to not run or not run well than I ever have on PS2. SE even broke support for my graphics card on my last computer with the release of WotG, so I went back to PS2 for a long while. They told me to use a driver from 2004 for a card from 2007, and it only gave me a running rate of 12 FPS when it used to do 30 before the expansion.

There's also the matter that my PC tends to get purposed for work projects, and I can't shut off all the other programs that are in use when I'm gaming. I can't afford both a home server and a gaming machine, so my machine does double duty.

I realise it sucks that they're not releasing the new expansion on PS2 but they're not dropping support! You can still play the game, just not the new stuff starting next year. That gives you 6 months to save up and buy an Xbox 360 which will give you the same gaming experience as the PS2. You can get one for less than a hundred dollars now. I think its more of a shame they didn't drop PS2 support in Japan as well, that way its possible the new expansion could have been slightly prettier.

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Originally Posted by Jackstin

That gives you 6 months to save up and buy an Xbox 360 which will give you the same a better gaming experience as the PS2.

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Fixed that for you. Still not as good as the PC, but it's a start.

That's funny. "Up yours, Americans! We'll keep supporting PS2, we'll keep the limitations that ruin the game overall, we'll make a JP PS2 version, BUT, the rest of the world can suck it."

I don't play on my PS2, anymore. So, personally, I don't care. But, to make the version for one region in exclusion of others shows an incredible bias that is worse than any biased thing S/E has done to date. I know WoW ended up excluding people's systems that were archaic. But, I'm pretty certain that was a universal move, not aimed at a region. Or, is WoW a U.S. only game (sorry, I don't play it). Anyway, you probably didn't exclude a huge portion of your market. But, you did do so in a regionally biased way.

p.s. - Just to clarify. Since I started playing this game with the PS2 release, there has always been accusations of JP favoritism. Some of the things people pointed to seemed pretty sketchy. But, I wouldn't say they proved their case. I'm going to have to say, though, and although it may be a good short term financial decision, this move by S/E does seem to lock-down the notion that the US players (and other non-JP players) fall into a second class category.

I'm sure the call made about the North American PS2 version is a good financial call for SquareEnix. That is why somebody made the call. I can understand that. Why release a product to an area with a highly limited market for that product?

Still, from my standpoint, I'd rather somebody poop or get off the toilet. That bro is just sitting there reading the paper, pushing out nary a thing, and I need to shower soon.

I have come to know it is a rare occasion when the Development Bros have the time and will and resources to do things that are not running around naked or painstakingly converting an old server into a working flamethrower. I severely doubt they could and would actually work on something as complex as adding more inventory space or creating new subligaria with lumpy and disturbing fabric effects.

Still, dropping PS2 support entirely might make such things possible if the Development Bros ever did have the time and will and resources to do such things. It would give me a feeling of optimism knowing that such things were possible, at least.

Conversely, I wonder how big a deal selling a North American PS2 version through only a few major North American online retailers would be. Or even the FFXI bit of the company's own online store. Or just selling it via (horribly long) download with no disc at all. Just making the thing may be a bigger deal than I'm imagining, and I'm sure any distribution model is more complex than I'm imagining, but I still wonder.

Much like dropping a two-hour deuce when I just need to wash under my fat rolls for fifteen minutes so I can go out, this course of action seems to both show and garner the least amount of good will possible while not actually doing anything wrong.

I don't know. This has been a pretty awful post because it's hard to put my really, really bland thoughts into any words other than, "Doesn't bother me, bro, but could have done better." I can't even work let loose with a good schizotypal hullabaloo over this, and those come more naturally to me than they probably should.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

Or, is WoW a U.S. only game

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Just in case this adds anything to the conversation:

What I gather is that World of Warcraft been released in most of Europe, Brazil, and obviously South Korea. It even has an official Chinese release that has some oddities due to some nations being weird about video-games. A friend of mine is really fond of killing imaginary stuff with Australians instead of sleeping, so I assume it's there too.

Web developers and designers face a similar problem when it comes to supporting older browsers. It sounds like SE is taking the correct approach (in my opinion), by not disabling NA/EU players access to the game entirely, but at the same time moving forward with what I can only imagine is the vast majority of the player base. If you fire up a lot of popular websites in Internet Explorer 6, many of them will still work, but newer features like HTML5/CSS3 will only work for users on modern browsers.

I sympathize with the NA/EU players on PS2 who would like to see this expansion, but I can only imagine the return on investment wouldn't be profitable to create this for the PS2, localized, and boxed, and officially supported.

I would really like to hear a reason from Square-Enix rather than our speculation (that's not my way of saying 'SHUT UP COMMUNITY' - but you know what I mean, I'd like an official response.)

There really is no reason in my mind for not providing this content as a download for PS2 users.

EDIT: Especially given that PS2 users will have to receive the new equipment data for players or we won't be able to even see players with new expansion content(!). Again I say, there is really no reason for this not to be available as a download like Abyssea.

I think it's a good way to see how many of these hard core PS2 onry players will really cancel their accounts if PS2 support is dropped. If most of them go out and buy a 360, or swap to PC, then maybe they can consider doing the same thing in Japan. If they actually cancel, then we know why SE has to keep PS2 support.

Im pretty sure the biggest reason is b/c the PS2 community is still thriving in japan, whereas in the states (and I assume Canada) the only place you are really finding PS2 games are in the dollar bin at used game stores, flea markets, and garage sales. It doesn't make sense to put all the effort into manufacturing a hard copy of the game if you have no real place to sell it. Now, as to why they don't make it a digital download? No clue.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

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Best birthday present - EVER

ive gotta say im really disappointed in SE over this....i have been playing FFXI on ps2 for almost 10 years now. Ive never cheated, used third party tools, always made payments on time, never switched to WoW when it blew up, never had a GM called on me among other things and this is the thanks us ps2 users get? Why shouldnt we get to enjoy the new content...we who never cheated, we who never bogged the servers down with third party tools...Come on SE dont discriminate...alot of people still play on ps2. We put up with enough with all the npc freeze, blackscreen stuff that has yet to be fixed. Please find a way to let ps2 users enjoy this new expansion.

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Originally Posted by JiltedValkyrie

Why play on a monitor? I have my desktop hooked up to a 42" HDTV with HDMI.

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I concur,
I am playing on a 55" Samsung LED TV hooked up to my gaming comp. FFXI has never looked better.
Ofcourse, I'm running it rendered at 3840x2160 in 1920x1080 resolution monitor so I am getting 2x Supersampling.
Looks fantastic though, and I love sitting 8-10 ft away on my couch and being able to read everything clear on a large TV.

What SE failed to mention at VanaFest was that instead of MP, Rune Fencer and Geomancer's spells will be cast using the tears of PS2 players.

PC > all.. I have PS2 and it sucks... Don't know why anyone would even care that its FINALLY not being dragged into things it cant handle properly anymore... You can find a torrent online pretty easily for the PC install, and there are drivers for the PS3 controller to USB OR Bluetooth into your PC... Hands down the PC wins, IF i ever was to install FFXI on a FailBox it would strictly be for the Achievment Points, other than that i see no reason to play on that system either... http://www.tigerdirect.com or http://www.tigerdirect.ca depending where you live, can find pretty cheap system to run FFXI... and this http://dl.qj.net/dl.php?fid=113518&new=1 is a basic driver for the PS3 controller.. Plug in the controller, run the exe, and push the PS button and your done! I could link the torrents to but I doubt SE would like that.. Anywho problem solved..

My question is why not release a downloadable version of the expansion for PS2. That way people can still play on their PS2. SE will have to make all the dat files for US PS2 anyway because they are still supporting it, all the armor and graphics will have to be made for PS2. Especially since the JPs get the PS2 version.

I have to say, I'm disappointed in SE's decision, moreso because it seems to be regionally discriminatory. Now before someone assumes that I just prefer to dwell in the technological dark ages, this isn't the case whatsoever. I started using the the PC version about a year and half ago but I kept my PS2 so that my son could play with me as well. It is also used as a dual box character. This decision has me considering whether I should continue to keep playing at all after I finish what I want to finish (or whether I should even finish it all). Maybe I've spoiled myself by dualboxing but I am never going to a style of play where I only use one character. Dualboxing is just too convenient to give up. At the same time, I'm not buying another pc or laptop just to play one game. I remember before FFXIV crashed and burned, people on forums laughed at the very notion of others buying the ps3 for the sole purpose of playing one game and I can't help but agree with the sentiment. My PC is relatively new and there's no reason at this time to buy another, it does everything I need it to do. I don't play other pc games either. Buying a second for the sole purpose of playing FFXI is totally superfluous.

Xbox 360 could offer more utility in that I could play other games but I already own a ps3. Additionally, I feel that Xbox 360 is an inferior product, as I've known so many friends and acquaintances who have had them crap out on them in less than year or two while my own (and a good number of friends') PS2 keeps chugging and grinding along after nearly 10 years like a stubborn old ox. Complaints from people that I know who play FFXI on it concerning d/cs and blackscreens make me feel it's a worse experience than the ps2 version. Needless to say, I'm not going to buy an Xbox 360 either.

SE (and other players) need to realize that this decision will not only affect ps2 players. This game is supposed to be about social contact and friends. One player quitting, for whatever reason, has an impact on a number of others. If Person A decides to quit because they can't enjoy the new expansion that may induce Person B and C to quit as well, because the game isn't as fun without Person A, expansion or no expansion. When Person B and C quit, that gets others thinking as to whether the game is as fun and worth playing without B and C. And so on, and so on. People cheering this decision are extremely short sighted at best.

And I don`t know where people are getting their information about player numbers concerning the amount of players on each console. I haven't seen any recent official comment from SE concerning FFXI`s official population, let alone how they break down by platform. Most estimates on population size are inferred by FFXIAH or from eyeballing server populations, so If there's any actual hard information on the matter, I`d like to see someone provide a link. Unless I just have a very unique network of friends, I have a feeling people are badly underestimating the amount of ps2 players there actually is.

I haven't really made a decision on whether I want to stick around yet. I thought the information concerning the expansion was kind of lackluster (mainly because I can't get excited about two mage jobs that I ultimately believe are going to be redundant and unnecessary as far as roles go), so SE is going to have to really wow me with other facets of the expansion's game play in the coming months to convince me to go without my second character in expansion areas. It's pretty vague on how retaking the land and private islands will play out but personally, for me, if I wanted to play farmville, i'd go play farmville.

I hope SE seriously considers a downloadable version for ps2. I can understand if they don't want to distribute physical copies over a wide NA market but there's really no reason not to provide a downloadable one through Playonline.

For all of those curious about why they drop support, try and remember they did a survey and ppl are constantly calling for the axe on the PS2 here on the forum's. It's not hard to figure out why. 360 with 20 to 120 HD are pretty cheap these days not to mention labtop's and desktop's a few year's old that are more than capable of running the game. Save your penny's and upgrade already. I'll come over latter and help you out back to put your PS2 down.

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Originally Posted by LittleXT

Best birthday present - EVER

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For all of those curious about why they drop support, try and remember they did a survey and ppl are constantly calling for the axe on the PS2 here on the forum's. It's not hard to figure out why. 360 with 20 to 120 HD are pretty cheap these days not to mention labtop's and desktop's a few year's old that are more than capable of running the game. Save your penny's and upgrade already. I'll come over latter and help you out back to put your PS2 down.

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Somehow, a lot of people seem to be missing the fact that as long as the game supports PS2 IN ANY REGION nothing changes. All those complaints revolving around the PS2 would require support for PS2 to go away everywhere. Otherwise, all platforms will have to more or less conform to the PS2 limitations. Unless, S/E can and will let the PS2 have things like less item slots, and, I can't see that happening, we will all continue to be weighed down by the PS2. No one gained anything from a JP Only version of the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

Somehow, a lot of people seem to be missing the fact that as long as the game supports PS2 IN ANY REGION nothing changes. All those complaints revolving around the PS2 would require support for PS2 to go away everywhere. Otherwise, all platforms will have to more or less conform to the PS2 limitations. Unless, S/E can and will let the PS2 have things like less item slots, and, I can't see that happening, we will all continue to be weighed down by the PS2. No one gained anything from a JP Only version of the expansion.

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silly NA/EU players, JP ps2's are transformers

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

Somehow, a lot of people seem to be missing the fact that as long as the game supports PS2 IN ANY REGION nothing changes.

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And this is a first step in that direction. Hence all this joy. A few years ago they wouldn't have thought about axing PS2 users in other regions either. This pretty much confirms that it's on their to-do list. Just need to wait for the remaining Japanese PS2 players to disappear, and hopefully this will extend to them as well. One can only hope they take a hint from this and switch to PC or the 360 sooner rather than later, to make this entire procedure go over quickly and painlessly.

I still want a PS2 download of the expansion and I've yet to hear a good reason why we can't have a download version made available through PlayOnline like the Abyssea expansions.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Just need to wait for the remaining Japanese PS2 players to disappear, and hopefully this will extend to them as well. One can only hope they take a hint from this and switch to PC or the 360 sooner rather than later, to make this entire procedure go over quickly and painlessly.

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I feel like there's a simple solution hidden somewhere in this post...

...maybe...

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Originally Posted by Arcon

And this is a first step in that direction. Hence all this joy. A few years ago they wouldn't have thought about axing PS2 users in other regions either. This pretty much confirms that it's on their to-do list. Just need to wait for the remaining Japanese PS2 players to disappear, and hopefully this will extend to them as well. One can only hope they take a hint from this and switch to PC or the 360 sooner rather than later, to make this entire procedure go over quickly and painlessly.

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That's a pleasant thought. And, I hope it's true. We're way beyond the time that people should be off the PS2. However, excluding the other regions from future PS2 content may be as far as this goes. Remember, we're talking about an expansion that is quite a ways off. If they were going to rip the PS2 band-aid off, doing it for all regions during this expansion would have been the perfect time to do it, giving all PS2 players plenty of time to shift to a new system. I see this as more of a "we really can't care any less about the non-Japanese players" rather than "we're moving away from PS2."

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

I see this as more of a "we really can't care any less about the non-Japanese players" rather than "we're moving away from PS2."

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That's how I see it. In isolation, I might be convinced that it's a ps2 issue but given that SE tried to enact preferential tendencies in fee payment for Japanese players not less than a year ago (which they have since had to back away from), I'm sensing a "screw you" vibe in this decision. Not a good move when the whole relaunching of FFXIV is going to hinge on people who didn't see how bad FFXIV really was, a la the console player, buying it for the ps3. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional; the game's already been more or less written off by the vast majority of PC players.

I'll certainly remember the slight the next time I have a choice of games to pick from.

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Originally Posted by Aldersyde

That's how I see it. In isolation, I might be convinced that it's a ps2 issue but given that SE tried to enact preferential tendencies in fee payment for Japanese players not less than year ago (which they have since had to back away from), I'm sensing a "screw you" vibe in this decision. Not a good move when the whole relaunching of FFXIV is going to hinge on people who didn't see how bad FFXIV really was, a la the console player, buying it for the ps3. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional; the game's already been more or less written off by the vast majority of PC players.

I'll certainly remember the slight the next time I have a choice of games to pick from.

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The irony here is that this is the very same reason a lot of older fans wont be touching PSO2, the people in charge treated EU/NA like, I can't even say second class, it was worse than that during the life of PSU.

I'm shocked PS2 still works, between me and my cousin we have like 15 dead ones being used as paper weights and book ends, it's not worth the cost to replace the board or disk drive to get them working again. I can up-sample the games on my mac to 1080i and a USB device to transfer the memory cards are 20$... on my mac I can play any PS2 game on my 52 inch tv and do web browsing without an issue or even play a game on dolphin on a sperate screen without issue. Granted this is a 800$ computer... 80$ (about the cost of a used PS2) can get you a computer with windows installed and an ethernet and graphics card that will play FFXI at any pre-built place.

On a side note, I have a friend who's been dumpster diving at best buy and he's built two computers that would play FFXI that way.

So a quick story that probably doesn't matter too much to anyone but a few years back (5-6yrs maybe) i had a business meeting in northern japan. A co worker that i was staying with for the few days had a PS2 but it had a ton of things attached to it that i have never seen in the states before. Large hard drive much larger then what is available here and it actually had HDMI port on the back but he told me it doesn't cast in HD at 1080p but it looks much better then the ones in the states. Also as we were walking down town and in the gaming district, which was funny to me that there actually was an area that had a ton of shops revolved around games, comics, anime, and so on. We found that the major gaming machines is still the PS2. Now that being said I haven't been there since then and could be wrong now but they do have a much higher player base and a much larger supply of upgradeables available to them for the PS2 so it doesn't surprise me that they kept the support there.

And to the PS2 users here, yes i loved the ps2 very much but it may be time to let it go. Either way there will always be elements out there that we don't want to get rid of but it is time. Just like the RDM job in XI, i say RIP PS2. Sorry folks.

And if they can make the game more cost effective its more likely to keep going and keep being supported generally.