You're stating this as fact, but what are you basing it on? Since the update I've completely capped out merits on a new job just doing VW and pulse cells are pretty much exactly as rare as you'd expect. I don't think it will really help to keep people doing VW as much as you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Return1
How's the supply on your server? On Valefor there have pretty much been singles posted here and there on the weapons. Not a single Anhur cell has been posted. No Heka's cell has been posted in a couple of days. There is no evidence of pulse cells being added to the system in any meaningful amount.
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06-20-2012, 02:44 AMdetlef
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06-20-2012, 02:52 AMReturn1Now you're mistaking what I've said. There doesn't need to be a lot of cells for my point to be made. In fact it's better for SE from a business perspective that there aren't many being made.Quote:
You're stating this as fact, but what are you basing it on? Since the update I've completely capped out merits on a new job just doing VW and pulse cells are pretty much exactly as rare as you'd expect. I don't think it will really help to keep people doing VW as much as you think.
How's the supply on your server? On Valefor there have pretty much been singles posted here and there on the weapons. Not a single Anhur cell has been posted. No Heka's cell has been posted in a couple of days. There is no evidence of pulse cells being added to the system in any meaningful amount.
The fact is that now there's a new driving factor to going for say, Kaggen. Before when you got your Mekira, you were done with Kaggen forever and ever. Now there's a kaggen drop for these people to still benefit from, increasing the number of people who will do kaggen. this helps those who do kaggen and don't get drops in 2 very functional ways:
1) It increases the help you can find.
2) It adds a new method of obtainment.
These are absolute facts, regardless of what you believe. Is it having the impact players desired? No, but it helps a few, which is more than none. The system works, just not to the degree people were hoping for. -
06-20-2012, 03:23 AMdetlef
Well I can't argue that $100 is more than $99.99.
In your Kaggen example, it's true that people who were going to help anyway are better off. And with HMP involved, there may be enough financial incentive for a random to join with a decent shot at ~HMP in 4 runs plus NPCables with a tiny shot at a pulse cell. Yeah, I'll grant you that.
Furthermore, I can acknowledge that a lot of cells probably didn't even make the AH and are being hoarded somewhere. Also, shout groups have picked up a little bit, but will it be sustainable? Time will tell. I still think that unless you had a personal stake (collecting the pulse cells for yourself for some reason), there isn't enough motivation to join a pickup group solely for gil. And I would love for VW to be profitable enough for that to happen. -
06-21-2012, 10:20 AMDemon6324236I wouldn't pay 20mil for a cell, my point is due to rarity of some NMs being fought, or mainly Aello, Ig, & Rex so far as my server shows, I would say I expect those prices to be extremely high because the number of times they are fought will effect the pricing of their items as well as drop rates. Weapons seem to have lower drop rates than bodys from what I have seen as well meaning if you see bodys for 1~2mil weapons will probably be more than that. I cannot say it will be 20mil, I don't think it should be, but if its got a drop rate so low I see 2 drop in what would be equal to someone killing Aello 720 times, and I see a shout for it 1~2 times a week at most, yes, I think that price could happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Return1
People are not stupid for saying something bad, is bad, they are smart for seeing its bad, so far as things going down in price, your right. But see the thing is that we waited months hearing of this ticket system, then after waiting all this time, we get told its not what we actually wanted. Rather it was something that would make some small improvements but nothing major, nothing that would fix this, then they change it to make it suck a little less, but still nothing big or really changing. If anything, cells could be a different drop even since you need 5 of them, rather than 5 times of a 1% drop for someone else to get said 1% drop item. After waiting all this time thinking things were changing, and we had something to look forward to, and it failed us, your idea is to have us wait yet again, this time for prices to change, just so the poor fix we got, can fix things a little more yet again, but not in a way that truly matters, this is flawed, waiting will be the death of us in time, because eventually people do get tired of waiting, as so many of us already have.
Does it matter what others have gear wise? I am happy when others have access to the same gear as myself, seems more fair, just because I got Heka's my 1st round of fighting Akvan doesn't mean I deserve it more than the other 17 people, just means I got lucky, simple, ease has nothing to do with it at this point.Quote:
I for one am glad they didn't make it too easy to get, or we'd have to deal with even more gimps and idiots running around that would actually use garbage like Ephemeron and Coruscanti.
The weapons are not bad, I have no idea where you came up with that because they are great if you play their jobs. A dagger, with +15DEX & 5%Crit rate? This is garbage for a THF or DNC? I mean if you use Mandau yeah, it could be bad because of STR dagger, but with Evis or Rudra's Storm this is amazing, you get the same +DEX as an Emp dagger @90 and the crit rate is just awesome. Thats not to mention that outside of Relic/Mythic/Emp it has the highest DPS in the game for daggers.
Ephemeron is again, the best DPS in the game outside of Relic/Mythic/Emp for Swords, it has even haste, so you can take haste out of spots and put in pieces of gear that are better with something like Double Attack or STP. AGI helps with some BLU spells and your evasion, not much, but EVA is EVA. The TP drain, this has been show to go anywhere between 60~90TP, an entire WS just from this swords effect procing, this can even set you up for a SC, thats just flat out amazing!
Garbage... just... wow... I think the best DPS weapons in the game for 2 types of weapons would be good but apperently even with all their wonderful stats, Crit rate, Haste, TP drain... garbage. :confused: -
06-21-2012, 10:39 AMDemon6324236We complain because this is not what we asked for. We did not ask for a group of people to do alot of work and hope for 1% drops, to get them, then sell them on the AH or by Bazaar, so we can buy 5 to get our gear. We don't mind doing the work, we just want the reward for doing it. We asked for better drops, or a system where luck does not rule over everything while effort is meaningless, instead we got told to pay the lucky people, and got to keep our luck based drops.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
In a way, this is even worse, it makes it even more so where effort isn't rewarded, now those people with alot of money can go buy their gear after a single kill, while others spend time killing hundreds hoping for a body, but getting logs instead. The effort of the unlucky being wasted, while the lucky profit more than ever.
Also not all NMs are commonly fought, thus not all are sold, the majority of people doing Aello for instance, want the sword, if you want plates you will goto a Qilin party, hes easy, puts up no fight, and dies fast without even 1 pet in most cases. Aello however is a nasty harpy, with annoying TPs, deadly spells, and pets that must be delt with from the start of the fight even. The pants are nice, but they have ok drop rates, wont take you many Aellos to get them probably so this is not going to keep people coming back. Leaving the sword as the only drop people want, and if you want it, you wont make it a cell and sell it to someone.