The last paragraph of the OP sounds like the maps may actually be able to display in realtime, perhaps your location and party/alliance members' locations will also display in realtime and I won't have to keep exiting and reloading the map anymore? If true, this would be awesome. :)
New Windows Version User Interface
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04-26-2012, 02:14 PMMidorikaze
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04-26-2012, 04:21 PMJileSince we're doing a Windows-only group of updates, Please for the love of Altana, please, freaking please give me either native script support for macro utilization or 40+ lines in each macro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoy
At the bottom of a macro, give us a little *add line* button, so we can keep adding lines appropriate to the macro in question.
I'm a long time BST and I still, to this day, press three macros to swap out my CHR+ set before a charm, with a further three to swap my gear back. (Yes, people still use charm >.>)
I want to be able to swap out literally every single piece of gear, use a job ability, swap all the gear back with a single macro press. -
04-26-2012, 05:32 PMDaniel_Hatcher
If they were going to do something like the third-party tool they'd just make it legal.
Sorry, but we're not going to see improved macro's in this games lifetime. -
04-26-2012, 06:47 PMwildspritewhat do they mean by this part I wonder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
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04-26-2012, 07:34 PMDaniel_HatcherDual Box without Windower, Multiple PC's or Multiple Consoles.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsprite
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04-26-2012, 11:10 PMDragoy><)))°¥I don't think that is what it means, or it would be more... clearly... stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher
It is more likely referring to the windows of the User Interface.
Well, that's my thoughts, it could be anything at this point, heh!
Something I forgot to mention in my first post.
Rather than multiple windows, I would like to see a chat-system which I actually proposed some 5 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
- Channels within 'tabs' of a log-window.
- One channel for server, and all the other messages (as it is now), for which filters can be applied.
- Separate Party/Linkshell channels/tabs.
- Ability to write into an active channel without the use of /tell, /party, /etc. commands.
- Ability to open private channels for single characters (when no discrete channel is open, the messages would show up in the default channel as they now do, and when a tab is opened for a certain character, they would be displayed there instead.
I doubt it will be like this, but I thought I'd throw it in.
What's the worst--thing--that can happen!
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04-26-2012, 11:18 PMArconThey did the same when they released their Windower version. And what makes you think we aren't? Did you think any of what was suggested in the OP was gonna happen, ever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher
Chat windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsprite
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04-27-2012, 12:18 AMMidorikaze
Multiple Window Mode and Multiple chat log windows were mentioned separately, not assuming anything but I just go "hmmmm" at that :p
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04-27-2012, 01:23 AMDaniel_HatcherThey never denied UI changes time and time again, they did Macro changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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04-27-2012, 01:42 AMArconWhere ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher
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04-27-2012, 02:33 AMDaniel_Hatcher
I'll be honest, I'm not going through all the older posts just to validate my point.
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04-27-2012, 02:41 AMRAIST
They actually have denied a LOT of UI changes, using limitations on the console platforms as the main concern. Even things that techically weren't a limitation of the console itself, but more the size of the screen on the consoles (what was it, 800 X 600 or soemthing on PS2) preventing them from doing some changes because of the lack of real estate on screen.
Such things are not an issue on systems that can go to full-blown HD resolution, and on PC's that have a VAST amount of resident memory to work with (one of the larger issues with consoles, if I remember right, PS2 doesn't even use it but streams data constantly). So, it's good to see that they are giving in and tweaking things more and more for the platforms that have the capability. Maybe they finally caught on to what all of us have been saying for a long time now....tweak the PC version to make it more attractive and people will be more inclined to move off the more restricitve platforms to the point they can just stop worrying about that legacy platform and everybody wins in the end. -
04-27-2012, 02:41 AMArconI just meant to say that I've never heard them say that. They replied to lots of issues, but this one I don't recall ever getting addressed, apart from mentioning they were afraid of abusing looping functionality, which no one is asking for here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher
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04-27-2012, 07:30 AMwildspritethere is nothing to confirm or deny if its multi chats or multi windows for logging in more than once, it is unclear, and it is mentioned separately from the multiple log windows, so those of you who are saying chat windows are assuming, perhaps a community rep can clear it up a bit for usQuote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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04-27-2012, 07:39 AMZiyyigo-Tipyigo
Beyond the fact that I don't see S-E allowing multiple simultaneous log-ins with a single account (see: no discount), the question of being allowed to run multiple simultaneous instances of FFXI on a PC is a red herring. Virtualizing a system capable of playing FFXI is trivial on a modern computer.
It doesn't matter if you have multiple FFXI windows open or multiple VirtualBox/Virtual PC windows open, the result is the same. -
04-27-2012, 09:00 AMwildspriteyou are probably right about not being allowed to log in twice on the same account(this would be really nice), but the plan might still be to let us log in more than once on the same computer, possibly under the same process?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo
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04-27-2012, 09:21 AMLlana_Virren
My interpretation remains that it will allow us to access inventory/chat logs/macro palettes/maps through separate windows, versus all in the main UI screen.
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04-27-2012, 10:57 AMemnuella
the adjustments sound great now if only the DEV would make it so that ppl can change jobs without having to run to a moghouse or nomad moogle this game would be more fun like FFXIV
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04-27-2012, 11:04 AMemnuellathe point is to allow multple log-ins without having to use a program like windower or some other type of virtualbox/virtual pc program which S-E doesnt want happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo
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04-28-2012, 08:18 AMwildspriteactually, I like the idea of that, it would be welcomedQuote:
Originally Posted by Llana_Virren
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04-30-2012, 12:55 PMAlhanelemIt means more than one ui (probably includes chat) window can be open at the same time. e.g. you could have your inventory and gear screen up at the same time as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsprite
though i really hope they show us soon what the improvements will look like all together. -
04-30-2012, 01:02 PMZiyyigo-Tipyigo
You know what I would kill for?
If "multiple windows" meant "can change the !@#$ing graphics settings in Config without having to log out and in again." -
04-30-2012, 01:18 PMAlhanelem
That sounds like
"If 'cotton candy' meant 'smashing windows with bricks'."
Or any other random thing being given a meaning that makes no sense. -
04-30-2012, 03:34 PMRaksha
While you're at it, how about making it so the game doesn't crash if you change your monitor's resolution.
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05-02-2012, 12:41 AMEric
IDK FFXI isn't the only game I know that has that problem.
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05-02-2012, 12:54 AMArconQuote:
Originally Posted by Raksha
Every game, to my knowledge. And I don't see it being that relevant either. How often do you change your screen's resolution? Unless you mean the window's resolution, that would be a different issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
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05-05-2012, 01:38 AMwildspritethat is a DirectX issue, both DX8 and 9 have that issue, I think they fixed it in DX10 and 11 but I'm not sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Raksha
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05-05-2012, 05:53 AMRakshaI dont remember it happening on any other game, but i will test it when i get home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
Screen resolution. Like if i'm playing another game while FFXI is open (camping NMs or waiting for ppl to log on etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
This could be why i've never noticed it before.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsprite
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05-09-2012, 06:14 AMCamate
Hello everyone!
I have some comments from Producer Hiromichi Tanaka to share in regards to some questions raised about the new UI.
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Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
Oh, I forgot to mention this. For those who are very comfortable with the old UI, it will be possible to choose between the new and old UIs.Quote:
As a PS2/XBOX360 controller user on the PC, I would like for it to continue to be possible to perform everything possible except for text entering.
If the new UI is targeted toward players who use a mouse and keyboard, please also allow the option to use the old UI.
※This is an either-or selection, so it would not be possible to use parts of the new UI.
The new UI is geared for keyboard and mouse users, so these new pallets will only be implemented for keyboard and mouse use.Quote:
I am interested in how controllers will work. In addition to R2 and L2, maybe you can press R2 and L2 together, or implement 2 rows of pallets for each of R2 and L2 (Alt pallet + New pallet, Ctrl pallet + New pallet)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
We have not finalized these details yet, but we plan on displaying recast timers for each macro palette. Also, if several commands with recast timers are registered on the same button, the longest remaining timer will be displayed.Quote:
I do not understand this well. Is this a response to player requests to have recast timers displayed in the palette? How would this work with macros that contain multiple abilities/commands?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
We are looking into a frame layout for HP gauge displays. We are also looking into customization for the size and graphics of the bar graph.Quote:
This is good news! Maybe we can check this out around VanaFest? I’m excited. I know that it is right after a vacation, but we are here supporting you!
Also, I would like a frame to separate HP gauges for pets from the background. In areas with lots of sand, such as Abyssea, the color for the HP gauge must be very dark for it to be visible. It would be great if this can be fixed.
We have received this request many times before, but there are many issues with this, so we cannot look into this at this time. Similarly, we have no plans to transmit additional data besides what is currently being transmitted between the server and client. Our goal is to improve the operability of what is currently displayed in the current UI. We appreciate your understanding.Quote:
Please increase the number of lines for macros. There are 16 locations that gear can be equipped, so more lines are necessary. I would be happy with about 20 lines.
2 chat windows can be displayed, so it would be possible to filter logs by displaying only important information on one window.Quote:
The chat filter will also be revamped, right? I hope the devs understand that when you try to display your party members’ status in the logs, songs, rolls, and double-up really clutter up the logs.
Regarding chat filter categorization, we will look into categories that are universal across all platforms, so we would like to discuss this separately from the Windows only UI.
We will have to take the memory capacities for each platform into account, but please submit any feedback or suggestions.
This would be very difficult to implement, so we would like to prioritize implementing the UI first. Based on our workload after that, we may look into this.Quote:
I wish it would become possible to copy and paste!!!!!
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05-09-2012, 06:40 AMwildspriteI find this most disturbing, I play with a game controller/keyboard combo because that is what this game was originally designed for, making it so your new UI is keyboard mouse only will disappoint quite a lot of players that were excited by the UI changes, I was looking forward to the UI changes, now I'm disturbedQuote:
Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
Oh, I forgot to mention this. For those who are very comfortable with the old UI, it will be possible to choose between the new and old UIs.Quote:
As a PS2/XBOX360 controller user on the PC, I would like for it to continue to be possible to perform everything possible except for text entering.
If the new UI is targeted toward players who use a mouse and keyboard, please also allow the option to use the old UI.
※This is an either-or selection, so it would not be possible to use parts of the new UI.
The new UI is geared for keyboard and mouse users, so these new pallets will only be implemented for keyboard and mouse use.Quote:
I am interested in how controllers will work. In addition to R2 and L2, maybe you can press R2 and L2 together, or implement 2 rows of pallets for each of R2 and L2 (Alt pallet + New pallet, Ctrl pallet + New pallet)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
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05-09-2012, 06:56 AMDaniel_HatcherAn onscreen macro palette that never goes wouldn't work with a controller, not unless they removed the traditional macro system.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsprite
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05-09-2012, 07:11 AMZiyyigo-Tipyigo
I can has mock-up?
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05-09-2012, 07:25 AMFinuveI agree with wildsprite, last thing I want to do with FFXI is add mouse control, however I do want a UI revampQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher
just because 3 rows of macros isnt feasible, doesnt mean they couldnt build a 2 macro stack for keyboard/controller and still have the rest of the UI work with keyboard/controller
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05-09-2012, 07:27 AMwildspriteI don't see how it wouldn't work with the new system if they wanted it to, if I press my left trigger it brings up 1 palette and I select what I want from it with the arrows,same with the right trigger, I really don't see why they can't make the new system work similarQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher
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05-09-2012, 07:29 AMFinuve
so an adendum to my point, with UI scripting available, will I have enough power that I can make the UI work with controller only, or keyboard only?
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05-09-2012, 07:31 AMsaevelAnd their just shot themselves in the foot.Quote:
We have received this request many times before, but there are many issues with this, so we cannot look into this at this time. Similarly, we have no plans to transmit additional data besides what is currently being transmitted between the server and client. Our goal is to improve the operability of what is currently displayed in the current UI. We appreciate your understanding.
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05-09-2012, 08:00 AMPuckBut uh... it's already possible through other methods, and not that difficult to do. I don't get why it would be "very difficult."Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
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05-09-2012, 08:14 AMZiraelI'm intrigued, does producer Tanaka still use DOS? Copy/Paste is one of the staple PC functions since 1995 (that's almost 20 years ago...), if not earlier. And since we're discussing Windows GUI, this should be here long time ago. Oh, and please don't forget IME for non-JP people!Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
Also, I recall seeing some funny word-art from /shouts in the past with an obviously copy/pasted text, so it must be possible somehow.
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05-09-2012, 08:17 AMMurasIf I may make a small suggestion... Wouldn't it be feasible to make individual commands for equipment swaps rather than using a single command that takes up an entire line? For example, if we had these commands:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiromichi_Tanaka
<main " ">
<sub " ">
<ranged " ">
<ammo " ">
<head " ">
<neck " ">
<L.ear " ">
<R.ear " ">
<body " ">
<hands " ">
<L.ring " ">
<R.ring " ">
<back " ">
<waist " ">
<legs " ">
<feet " ">
Then we can have macro lines like so:
Line 1: /echo TP set
Line 2: <body "Bale Cuirass +2"> <head "Bale Burgeonet +2"> <hands "Bale Gauntlets +2"> <legs "Calmecac Trousers">
Line 3: <feet "Ace's Leggings"> <waist "Goading Belt"> <L.ear "Bale Earring"> <R.ear "Brutal Earring">
Line 4: <neck "Bale Chocker"> <R.ring "Rajas Ring"> <L.ring "Tyrants Ring"> <back "Atheling Mantle">
This should fix the need for more lines and not increase the amount of data being transferred to the servers. You managed to make the /wait command into <wait #> instead, so why not this? I'm not an expert programmer by any means, but I know this isn't impossible.
EDIT: Oh also, think you could add a chat filter to turn off the "Equipment changed." notice? I can't count the amount of times I missed something important a PT member said because I hit a couple equipment macros. -
05-09-2012, 08:20 AMZumiSE can't do this unless they pay MS for licensing fees for the NA and EU versions. The chances of that happening are slim to none given very few people with the NA version would use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zirael