Well Katoplepa, from a personal viewpoint, since for some reason people on this forum seem to want to personalize everything, i've had my house flooded before with no electricity and power (mulitple times actually) and believe it or not I was thinking about video games at the time, and how bored I was and how I wish i had something to do. It's amazing how boring life is when the weather is awful outside and you have no electricity. So from my view point, the natural disasters i have endured actually made me appreciate video games more, not less :)Quote:
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03-16-2011, 03:25 PMDale
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03-16-2011, 03:28 PMDaleUm Detoxy, maybe you should take your own advice and use your brain to read what I actually post perhaps :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxy
I never said you coudn't talk about what ever you wanted. What I did say however was it was very silly to condemn people for talking about a Video Game on a forum about that Video Game. But i do love how you twisted what I said to make some cheap internet point and cleverly ommited to quote me. -
03-16-2011, 03:30 PMKirana
My guess is that by sometime next week they will at least start running the servers again part-time (maybe 4-8 hours a day). However, I don't expect the servers to be up full-time anytime soon.
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03-16-2011, 03:32 PMDaleWell I hope you're wrong. But - if it becomes clear the servers are going to be down long-term as you think i really do hope they consider some alternatives, like for example moving off-shore to power their servers until the dust settles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirana
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03-16-2011, 03:33 PMHarpalina
This is getting a little hostile...can't we just agree to disagree on this topic? Both parties make valid points...I don't see why there should be conflict like this lol.
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03-16-2011, 03:34 PMSkybrit
I'm thinking 2-3 months at best.
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03-16-2011, 03:34 PMDaleI don't see why either.Quote:
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03-16-2011, 03:36 PMTsukino_KajiNearly all of the emotion and/or intent you're getting from any post is what you're putting there yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harpalina
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03-16-2011, 04:12 PMHFX7686It is always justified, and more importantly ethical and moral, to tell someone that they are saying (or writing) something that is inappropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale
Demanding that the servers for a video game be turned back on when the country is undergoing three huge disasters and is trying to conserve power is unethical and immoral.
Why are you so scared of "personal attacks"? From what I have seen of posters on this forum anyone who disagrees with someone else is making a personal attack. People need to grow up and accept responsibility for their speech: you are free to say whatever you want, but you are not free from disagreement. -
03-16-2011, 04:30 PMRAISTThe problem is, they likely can't have services up like that reliably. EVERY block of the rollout has a portion of tokyo without power. Each block is roughly 3.5 hours. Though the servers would likely only go down for one, maybe 2 of those 3.5 hour blocks each day--other devices critical to the transfer of data could be down at other times. So, it's possible that services could be up at SE, but the node alllowing access to the internet is down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirana
It's just too messed up right now to insure stability. GE is sending 10 Gas Turbine Generators in to help shore up the energy supply while they try to get a handle on things. With any luck, it may stave off the rolling blackout situation and things start to get back to some sense of normal power-wise soon.
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03-16-2011, 04:46 PMZackan
I see another problem, i dont know if its a real problem or not but...
Isn't half this games playerbase japanese? How many of these players lost these homes and even if the servers do come back that half of the playerbase wont be back due to circumstances out of there control? Really i want the servers back up as much as anyone, but have a heart about the situation.
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03-16-2011, 04:48 PMHFX7686That is something that I did not think of. I did think that it would be difficult to keep turning the servers on and off, but I forgot that if the blackouts are rolling, other parts of the Japanese internet might stop SE's servers from running properly. This is an excellent point to make.Quote:
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03-16-2011, 04:49 PMTsukino_KajiIt's less then 1% of the populous that lost their homes. So that's not a factor on the player base. Currently it's simply a matter of government imposed power conservation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zackan
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03-16-2011, 04:50 PMLushipurone thing that surprised me most was the huge amount of japanese player still playing at the time of the disaster and till the server was shutdown. i suppose only the east coast players are unable to play while the others have no problems.Quote:
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03-16-2011, 04:52 PMNvr
Well, to get a little more back on topic about the server being up or not in a week. SE originally announced they were contemplating suspending service, but while they were not sure, they estimated that IF they were to suspend service, it would be suspended for at least a week. After that announcement, SE made another anouncement they they were going to temorarily suspend service.
Now, on playonline.com in the information section about the disrupt in service, it states in the body of text...
However, in the same page under downtim, it states...Quote:
The services will be temporarily suspended for at least a week starting on Mar. 13, 2011 3:00 (PDT).
I think this will be the cause of most complaints on Sunday because not everyone may have read or been aware of the "at least a week" detail. But here is hoping things are somehow stable enough to resume service by Sunday.Quote:
[Date & Time]
A week starting from Mar. 13, 2011 3:00 (PDT)
On a side note about what Lushipur was saying, server population durring Japan's primetime was on average about 800-900 on Caitsith pre-dissaster; however, after the dissaster, the population durring the same time was about 1400 on average. That is a 75% increase or so after the dissaster durring Japan's primetime. -
03-16-2011, 04:59 PMRAIST
Yeah.. hopefully the GE turbines will get setup quickly and we can get some things back up and running next week. SE felt confident enough to announce a potential window for the version update...maybe that's a good sign. At least we know they are in conference trying to figure out what to do about the situation.
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03-16-2011, 06:31 PMNeika
Ya i was shocked when i checked the server population on Caitsith just before they shut the servers down. I hadn't seen the numbers that high in quite a while. Wonder if they'll still be that high when the servers come back up...
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03-16-2011, 06:50 PMValiarius
This is historically the longest time a MMORPG has been down, SE doesn't even have any idea of the consequences the forced downtime will have on the interest of the playerbase, it's customers, and neither do we. We can go on and on about how it's reasonable to expect SE to keep FFXI and FFXIV down for a long period of time, but every day that goes by the players get weaned off the online games and start losing interest. In the end, this is a lose-lose situation that SE is in, as it's not their fault that disaster struck Japan but at the same time people who simply want to play their beloved games can't, even when they live far away in countries far from Japan which simply are minimally affected by the earthquake, if at all. The only way SE can keep most of it's customers (who are simply observers of the events in Japan and also aren't responsible for what happened over there and deserve to be able to play if they so want to) is to find a way to turn on those servers, or run the games from somewhere else, outside of Japan. Since this is a highly unlikely scenario, we can only wait and see what the ooutcome will be.
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03-16-2011, 06:54 PMRambus
I expect it to be more then a week I just hope my ls point list is all updated before the week end so we are ready just in case.
I really really rally really really really do not want to see anymore threads on " omg why can't i play ffxi move servers!" threads.
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03-16-2011, 07:30 PMVolckianSE stated "At least a week". This is just a rough estimate of how long they could be down. It could range from 4days up to an indefinite amount of time. As far as we know, they may be working on moving their equipment to another country. (Just speculating.) Yet again, they could just be waiting until Japan fixes their power grid problems. But I do agree with Kailea_Nagisa and Dreamers, There will be a lot of annoying ranting about how bad SE is. In this situation I don't believe anyone has the right to leave negative feedback. Situations like this cannot be helped, you can complain all you want to. It's not like SE can say, "Well we apologize for the servers being off, I'll head over there right now and turn them back on for you."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa
Just keep in mind, this isn't a quick fix type problem. If their government orders them to shut down, then they have to shut down. If people want to complain to somebody, complain to the government of Japan for telling its people to help save energy for more important needs. Then if they don't comply with your demands, get on a boat and go over there and make them allow SE to waste valuable energy so you can play your game. ^^ And why not, while your at it you could also walk into the hospitals and tell people that a video game is worth more than their lives. (This is how I see people that would rather cry and complain about a stupid game, over human lives.)
If you cannot take a break from playing FFXI, you really need to take a good look in a mirror and find out what you're missing in your life. There is soo much more to life than video games.
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03-16-2011, 08:30 PMdugi
first thing id like to offer is heart felt condolences to the people of japan for having to endure such a terrible disaster
i am an avid ffxi player with several japanese friends in the community so my views on how soon the servers should be up
draw mixed feelings due to not knowing if they are ok
i feel shutting them down was a wise move in the event of data loss years of efforts could be lost and irreplacable
and as it states in the info section it is temporary till the power is re-established
i read a post about how shutting the servers down would effect the game and peoples interest in returning to it
if they stayed off for a long period of time and im sure in thier decission they took this into account
and in the same meeting calculated the risks of a long term shutdown if the nuclear situation went critical
myself i will be back on ffxi when those servers reopen whether it takes 1 week or 3 months
my first post on ffxi forum so apology if stray off topic im a nub and will probly get chewed up
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03-16-2011, 09:30 PMSNK
If the game stays down for at least a month it really won't matter to those of us who arn't fiending for their FFXI fix. Hell I just finished my Farsha and I've yet had a chance to really use it so yeah it sucks but I'm not being a douche about it like some of you people are.
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03-16-2011, 09:50 PMRunespider.Quote:
Hell I just finished my Farsha and I've yet had a chance to really use it so yeah it sucks but I'm not being a douche about it like some of you people are
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03-16-2011, 11:03 PMJuri_Licious
Just gotta say, just cause people want to play the game right now doesn't make them a horrible person.
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03-16-2011, 11:13 PMKindra
I was thinking last night about why people are so upset about this. While I understand the want to play and the whole needed a back up plan standings that some have taken, I still don't understand why a game is so important. Games are not needed to sustain life. Food, Water, and shelter are. I understand that some use this as an escape form the stresses of real life. I have used XI in the past to escape the stresses of real life as well. And when I didn't have XI within reach to do this i read instead. They are many ways to escape.
I just have a hard time excepting that some people think a game is the most important thing to them. I would love to understand it but I just can't.
As far as SE's income is concerned I am sure they have thought of these things. It's not really up to us to worry about that. It is also not up to us to say what is in their their best interest. This is just my opinion though. -
03-16-2011, 11:17 PMSureal
there is a HUGE difference in voicing concern for the way the game is being run, or something in the game that effects the way you play, but complaining because the servers are not up because of a natural disaster that is threatening their way of life is NOT what these forums are for
making thread after thread about what SE can do about this situation is doing nothing but cluttering up the forums for other much more important topics, i mean seriously, how can we get the minimum lvl in abyssea raised to 90, or how can we make people not swap gears if we keep pushing all those important threads to page two -
03-16-2011, 11:26 PMBoldheart
The game is good, and I know people miss playing it.... but relax people it will be up again.
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03-16-2011, 11:47 PMRocman
Version Update Delay
Rolling blackouts and restrictions on public transportation have been implemented across eastern Japan as part of the earthquake and tsunami disaster relief effort. Consequently, we have chosen to delay the upcoming major version update initially planned for mid-April.
While the new release date has been provisionally revised to May, we are unable to provide a detailed schedule at this point in time. The previously announced world merger will likewise be postponed.
We would like to express our apologies to our players, and will do our utmost to keep you abreast of the latest developments. Thank you for your continued understanding in this difficult time.
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03-16-2011, 11:50 PMMiera
I would imagine It would be more than a week, but eh, if next month is going to be free then I'll take it. ;o Maybe i can convince my friend to come back and stay for a month. ;o
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03-16-2011, 11:56 PMChronofantasy
I think the majority of average or above average IQ players understand that SE might take more than a week to get back up, but I think SE stated at least a week to give players hope that the game could potentially come back in a week depending on how the situation in Japan goes. SE can't predict the future of how bad or good the situation can get resolved, and "at least a week" doesn't sound as bad to the playerbase compared to them telling the players that it may take up to a month or two.
Come Sunday SE will probably post something on these forums telling us that it will take "at least another week" to get the situation under control and get the servers coming back up, but that also means it can be another week after that and another week after that and so forth.
On an almost irrelevant question/topic, I'm aware of SE's situation and I do hope the country can recover as best as possible soon and I wish them all the best, but with this situation does it in any way affect the release day of FF: Dissidia 012 to North America? I know the game is out in Japan already, but does the game already get shipped out to USA for translations and stuff or does all of that work done in Japan? I don't really know how it works or if SE has shutdown their whole company and stopped working on any game shippings and what not?
Please no trolling for this question telling me I don't care about the country's current situation by asking this because I am simply curious about this question so that way I can know if it will still come out on March 22nd or not to the store I pre-ordered it at and I can play that while FFXI is down. If it will realistically be delayed, then that's fine and I understand why with no complaints.
*Ignore this question: I looked it up myself and found all the answers I need here:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/60580...ntasy/58409165 (Lol @ the person who spelt recent as "resent".)