[dev1102] Meteor had better be obtainable!

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I don't mind it being a quest, mission or drop that's hard to do, so long as it's not a Coruscanti rare grind.

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I hope it drops from Nidhogg at a rate of 0.5%.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Gimped? It's easily heaviest spell in the game, if used correctly. BLMs should strive to get it.

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from what I've read it's very weak if only 1 BLM is casting it(T4 beats it) and extremely powerful with the amount of BLMs casting it(exponentially almost). So yes, Meteor should be reasonably obtainable, but definitely not something that you can just auto-acquire.

It will come from legion, at least one good thing will come out of that crap. Back to nylulz.

So, post update, is there any information yet on how to obtain this spell?

Looks to come from Legion since all the new VW has been cleared several times with no drops on either meteor or arise.

People are getting beat down very badly even with 36 people on legion.

Maybe it will be the legion points item.

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Originally Posted by Cowardlybabooon

Maybe it will be the legion points item.

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Nope, all legion point items are rings.

If it's not in the game, my guess is that was supposed to be from Provenance (VW Finale Zone), and due to that getting delayed.....

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

Nope, all legion point items are rings.

If it's not in the game, my guess is that was supposed to be from Provenance (VW Finale Zone), and due to that getting delayed.....

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Apparently drops from T3 Zilart and T2 CoP VWs, probably T6 Jeuno and some ToAU too.

People getting carried away with 40-55 mil scrolls in bazaars, but none appeared on the AH yet.

They probably will make it so hard only a few people get it which makes no sense considering we all pay the same money every month.

You wouldn't play the game if everything was easy to get.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Apparently drops from T3 Zilart and T2 CoP VWs, probably T6 Jeuno and some ToAU too.

People getting carried away with 40-55 mil scrolls in bazaars, but none appeared on the AH yet.

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There hasn't been any screenshot proof of this. People who have the scroll can lie about where they got it from so they can monopolize the market. Pics or it didn't happen.

Still unconfirmed until we actually get some proof.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You wouldn't play the game if everything was easy to get.

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Isn't this why WoW, Rift and SWTOR are successful?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Isn't this why WoW, Rift and SWTOR are successful?

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They strike a decent BALANCE between accessibility, reward/effort, and fun. FFXI pretty much only does that in Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

They strike a decent BALANCE between accessibility, reward/effort, and fun. FFXI pretty much only does that in Abyssea.

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BALANCE.

Get that word off these forums.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

BALANCE.

Get that word off these forums.

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SE started it lol

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Isn't this why WoW, Rift and SWTOR are successful?

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SWTOR is a solo game, it's nice, but just solo. Can't compare it to FFXI. There is no sense of achievement for instance when abtaining gear in swtor, except maybe level 50 but I didn't have the patience to go there. SE can take advice from swtor, but not for it's MMO though. For their non MMMO FF, sure, that would break the linearity of previous games. I did not play the other ones, but at least for swtor I'm sure they completely different concept of what an MMO is. On swtor you go on a planet do random quest solo, and still get gear along the way without having to team up (nearly). Occasionnally you can team up side quests(small number of player.. not 36), but really, it's not needed.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

There hasn't been any screenshot proof of this. People who have the scroll can lie about where they got it from so they can monopolize the market. Pics or it didn't happen.

Still unconfirmed until we actually get some proof.

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Same thing is happening with Arise, people are trolling about it coming from Qilin. As far as I'm concerned, those bazaars on FFXIAH are just "listing the scroll" to troll. There are ZERO reported findings of either scroll, anywhere.

In the end, POIDH. These spells are epic (Saw a FFXIAH comment about 95-99 scrolls coming from upper tier VW, that is true, but it's also a general statement, and it's likely that Arise AND Meteor will be different. Qilin isn't upper tier VW, it's level 95 content), coming from VW in the current situation...yeah, I don't think so. My gil's on Legion or the final VW chapter (lol if that ends up being the case, considering it's not even out yet...).

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Originally Posted by Fredjan

(Saw a FFXIAH comment about 95-99 scrolls coming from upper tier VW, that is true, but it's also a general statement, and it's likely that Arise AND Meteor will be different. Qilin isn't upper tier VW, it's level 95 content

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Those scrolls are also possible drops in several HKCNMs (KCNMs too? not sure) as well as vwnms. Meteor and Arise does not drop from Zilart t3s/Jeuno T6s, guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

People getting carried away with 40-55 mil scrolls in bazaars, but none appeared on the AH yet.

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Those FFXIAH bazaars mean nothing, anyone can list anything in their bazaar there, doesn't mean they actually have the item.

I bet it's either going to drop on VW and have like a craptastic drop rate or drops from Pandemonium Warden, either way I smell a pain in the butt coming along.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Those scrolls are also possible drops in several HKCNMs (KCNMs too? not sure) as well as vwnms. Meteor and Arise does not drop from Zilart t3s/Jeuno T6s, guaranteed.

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Oh I agree.

Not to mention WoE flues 12-15 for 96+ scrolls and the other ones are obtainable from earlier fluxes. I'm not sure about fluxes 1-7, but I know 8-11 dropped 90-95 scrolls.

If Meteor/Arise had similar "obtainment", there'd be scrolls on the AH already, even if there's been no sales. There wasn't a ton of level 96-99 magic, but I know it was obtainable from Jeuno T4-T6 (and now WoE fluxes 12-15). tl;dr's:
- They don't drop from CoP/ToAU VW. If they do, it's highly unlikely.
- They don't drop from Jeuno T6s.
- They DEFINITELY don't drop from Zilart T3's (Hi level 95 content).
- They most likely do NOT drop in WoE.

The likely options, as I said, are Legion (Hall of Mul, would fit their "extremely difficult to obtain" theme I guess) or Provenance.

Legion because every noob and their sister has been spamming VW since the VU and nobody can kill shit in legion which is why it's not found yet.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Legion because every noob and their sister has been spamming VW since the VU and nobody can kill shit in legion which is why it's not found yet.

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Or it's in Provenance.

Unless SE really hates us, meteor will be hard to get at first then a few months later they will make it easy to get.

Classic SE to make a spell that should be used by multiple BLM in a party and then making it so impossible to get that you may only have a handful (and so far, zero) with it on the entire server. No other company can troll their own game quite like SE.

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Originally Posted by Lokithor

Classic SE to make a spell that should be used by multiple BLM in a party and then making it so impossible to get that you may only have a handful (and so far, zero) with it on the entire server. No other company can troll their own game quite like SE.

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Exactly. Aren't we all glad that they spent so long making sure that this spell wasn't overpowered?!?!

The whole beat something really difficult to get something that would have been helpful in beating it seems rather redundant. I mean yes obviously it would help ease the content once you've obtained the item/spell but if you managed to grind enough to get the item doesn't it make it sorta moot to have it if you could do well enough with out it? Kinda like in FF12 where you got the Wyrmhero blade.... after killing everything that it would have been useful against. Well at least here we can use it to speed up grinding for items.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

everything in the game is obtainable...

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You mean like how [dev1103] has the following in it?

"An issue wherein the item "Gardyloo Trousers" was unobtainable."

:P So somethings are unobtainable... least until a fix.

There have been reports of it dropping from from Provenance Watcher

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Or it's in Provenance.

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Correct. This is why SE said not everyone will have x or x, because not everyone has the luck nor Jeuno tier clears (specially if you missed the VW watch rush, gl.)

What "rush" for Jeuno tier clears is that? It was my understanding that each mob was the subject of /shout groups and LS runs for the better part of the last year. I saw like 6 separate shouts on Lakshmi alone in the last 2 days. ;;

Anyhoo, Meteor is a confirmed direct drop off Provenance Watcher (unclear whether Trove drop too), so at least people have even more incentive to get their CS's.

Drops from Provenance, screenshot here: http://blog-imgs-26-origin.fc2.com/n...4313_323_1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Drops from Provenance, screenshot here: http://blog-imgs-26-origin.fc2.com/n...4313_323_1.jpg

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Not a problem then, like Shinryu that areas a basic joke.

The fight itself doesn't look overly difficult, particular with staggers eventually weakening his magic attack to the point where Meteor is doing 200 damage. It's just a 5 minute zerg and since it's not 'spammable' like other voidwatch you can go all out with SV songs/Embrava etc.

What will limit the supply of scrolls is that it isn't spammable (need to either clear the other 3 Caturae areas for KIs or spend 990k cruor per person to access) and for now probably less than 10% of people actually have access to the zone itself.

So Meteor and Arise "very difficult to obtain" comes down to:

Step 1. Waste your time in Voidwatch (for most people, it's a waste of time given all the logs and gems you get.)

Step 2. Enter this battle, given your pertifact stock.

Step 3: Beat Watcher, pray for drops.

Step 4: Outlot 17 other people.

Step 5: Repeats Step 1-4 ad infinium

Step 6: ...

Step 7: Wonder what you've done with your life...err proft.

They can apparently drop from chests too, according to the JPs that beat it the other day we talked to.

haven't seen direct confirmation yet though.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

So Meteor and Arise "very difficult to obtain" comes down to:

Step 1. Waste your time in Voidwatch (for most people, it's a waste of time given all the logs and gems you get.)

Step 2. Enter this battle, given your pertifact stock.

Step 3: Beat Watcher, pray for drops.

Step 4: Outlot 17 other people.

Step 5: Repeats Step 1-4 ad infinium

Step 6: ...

Step 7: Wonder what you've done with your life...err proft.

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Or the following:

Step 1. Waste your time in Voidwatch (for most people, it's a waste of time given all the logs and gems you get.)

Step 2. Enter this battle with your LS, given your petrifact stock.

Step 3: Beat Watcher, pray for drops.

Step 4: Spend DKP, lot scroll instantly.

Step 5: Profit

But ya, seems like SE gave an option, if you can get Meteor from chest ^^ This is how I wish VW was from the beginning, option for shared pool OR individual chest. That would have rewarded LS's and PUGs.

Finally cleared all the needed voidwatch for Provenance access and it looks like mostly JPs in here.

http://i.imgur.com/pGiyD.jpg

So good luck if you want the scrolls. Haven't seen a English shout for this yet.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Finally cleared all the needed voidwatch for Provenance access and it looks like mostly JPs in here.

http://i.imgur.com/pGiyD.jpg

So good luck if you want the scrolls. Haven't seen a English shout for this yet.

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Seen a bunch on lakshimi (in english), but unlike the Japanese in my experience, NA players are extremely cliqueish when it comes to this stuff and would rarely shout unless they get absolutely desperate.

I got Access same day it was added since I cared about getting Clears. I've done the 3 Cat fights those were very fun. I like how they can Drop Abj. so that along with the new Thf proc good reason to bring a Thf, for proc and TH up some new items

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Seen a bunch on lakshimi (in english), but unlike the Japanese in my experience, NA players are extremely cliqueish when it comes to this stuff and would rarely shout unless they get absolutely desperate.

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Hope you're joking and I'm missing the sarcasm.