[Suggestion] Final Fantasy XI - EXP System

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

WoW allowed a high level to run a low level though a low level instance and the low level got full exp.

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alright alright i admit. you got me. doesnt change my opinion on leeching though. i would still love for it to be taken out completely. and i would still laugh at all the people that cry over it being taken out lol. but i am sure it will never happen. but i still got my dreams. they never let me down lol

The only way abyssea ruined this game was the fact is let RMT's back in, and they run every exp party in their scorpion harness' or lvl 50 crow gear with a 95 brd relic horn. Now i see the RMT's in dynamis and everything else they see every bandwagoner doing atm or have done in the last 6 months. I have no issue getting from 75-99 in abyssea, 30-75 kinda sucks regardless.

1. Point is should put a cap on abyssea to level 65 or even 75 if you're feeling frisky. 65 is level minimum for most events like dyna and einherjar.
2. Make it where a character skills up regardless of your sync. I.E. you are a 58 RNG and you find a sync party to Crawler's Nest. Even if it is a GoV party. Not saying going back to old school 6 man parties is the answer, but if you wanna seperate the 18 man leech alliance aspect of parties, an incentive would be you would get skill ups regardless of level, except if you are currently doing a GoV page. To clarify, a 58 RNG sync'd to 23 Qufim party would still receive skill ups for his per say, 175 skill Archery while a 58 RNG under the effect of a GoV page will not receive skill ups for his 175 archery skill when sync'd to 23.

Skilling up certain magic skills and melee skills is absolutely painful. Leveling Pup from 1-99 and having 10 skill in each of your automaton's skills and a 40 H2H skill is just deflating for the fact that sure, I can get 10-160ish very easily, then once it slows down, i'll spend days upon days trying to reach cap.

And to think about it, instead of penalizing GoV parties, if there was something else to gain from being on GoV with 6 compared to 18 would help as well.

The problem I still see with all of this is the fact that BRD, RDM, PLD, WHM, and NIN are essential jobs in partying and most people have 12-15 jobs these days, and you would run into the same issue as 2005-2009. Waiting for one of those jobs for your 4/6 Exp party who's been sitting in jeuno for hours. It's a nice thought, but i can't think of one specific way to fix it. Sorry

People are still talking about this? I'll admit that at first I wasn't especially fond of the new experience system, but I have adjusted and moved on with my life. It's been more than a year already, get with it or leave.

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Originally Posted by Disifer

Getting a job like DRK to 75 though was pulling teeth.

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I can attest to this. Getting my DRK to 75 took over a year. c.c

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Stupid idea

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This. 1234

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Originally Posted by Nikashi

I can attest to this. Getting my DRK to 75 took over a year. c.c

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Took me about that to solo my BLU to 75. I never want to have to do that again. Ever.

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The one thing i loved to death about FFXI was the fact that it was challenging, but with Abby's Expansion (DLC) The game got waaaay to easy.

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EXP was never challenging, just slow.

Voidwatch, WoE and Legion all are more difficult than abyssea was. You wish was granted, and nothing needs to be done to the EXP system.

Slower EXP != more challenging.

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Originally Posted by Sukiichan

"Attention: This Parties leader is using "Abby Settings"

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Abyssea was fun, but I did enjoy pre-Abyssea much more - Just don't admit this, because you'll get flamed.

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Originally Posted by Ryce

I think what most people miss about old FFXI was the party battle coordination. Setting up SATA, cautiously pulling mobs that agro/link, and even skill chaining (GASP!).

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...and even the occasional Magic Burst! That's the one thing I miss about truly old school XP parties, when you had to coordinate with your party members to pull this off because it meant superior damage and you killed quicker, instead of the zerg fests we get today. Granted you kill quicker with the zerg fests of today, but it didn't have to be that way.

Aby EXP is one of the major things keeping this game alive right now (IMO of course). Sure grinding away at some of your favorite jobs was awesome and fun and I truly loved leveling everyone one of my jobs pre Abyssea. I had 7 jobs @ 75 and I was hooked on meriting, at Aby release I had over 700 merits and I was 100% capped xp/merits. Exping is what I did and I did it a lot..that is why I love Aby XP, i've played this game for so long that the last thing I want to do is take 6, 8, 10+ months to get a job to lvl cap. With Aby XP players now can level multiple jobs in the same or less time that it did @ 75. Unlocking even more things to do in game and allowing players to do more things low man because well everyone has needed jobs leveled. Sure there are Abygimps now but if you think that Aby ruined the game making more gimps you are wrong, very wrong..gimps have always been here and will always be here Aby has nothing to do with it.

If I could make one change to how XP works I would allow the player to choose either xp or cruor. Let the player pick either xp or cruor knida like we before when we had to pick either xp or merit points. If you pick cruor and the rate would have to be a smaller % of mob xp cap but more than cruor cap now. 200~250 maybe even 300 cruor per mob wouldn't be to broken. And as the game progresses more and more ppl aren't going to need xp (i'm currently 19/20 jobs 99 with capped xp/merits I have very little reason to xp anymore) BUT if ppl could get more cruor than xp I think more people would pt in general allowing for even more people to level jobs. Oh and don't forget that it costs what 1.5~2 million cruor to upgrade VW atmas..so if VW is the future then we are gunna need more cruor and less xp.

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Originally Posted by Sukiichan

Hey everyone! Before i start off i just want to say, Sorry if this has been suggested before, and if this is the wrong place to post this...

The one thing i loved to death about FFXI was the fact that it was challenging, but with Abby's Expansion (DLC) The game got waaaay to easy.. So i was thinking... Would it be possible for a patch that adds a Option to the config window, Like under gameplay it could say like "Would you like to play FFXI with Pre-Abby or FFXI's Current State"
EX: Pre-Abby is FFXI before Abby's arrival -Short Terms: Decreased EXP-
EX: FFXI's Current State -Short Terms: Increased EXP-
(There could also be a time limit between switch's like an Hour)

Also, they could add a party option depending on the leaders Settings.
There could be a notice when someone invites you saying
"Attention: This Parties leader is using the Pre-Abby settings"
And if their using current FFXI:
"Attention: This Parties leader is using "Abby Settings"

But thats all i thought of.... What do you think?

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No... Period

What I miss about the old days was xp parties requiring some sort of team-work, before tp burning down little pink birds. I wouldn't mind going back to fighting a mob that took coordination to kill (tank, skillchain, magic burst), even if it took a few minutes to kill the mob. However, the only way this would be viable is if killing these mobs gave like 3k xp upon death. If the xp rate was similar to what you get by plowing through barely ep mobs, it would be a great way to mix up the process so you can choose your partying preference for the day.

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

What I miss about the old days was xp parties requiring some sort of team-work, before tp burning down little pink birds. I wouldn't mind going back to fighting a mob that took coordination to kill (tank, skillchain, magic burst), even if it took a few minutes to kill the mob. However, the only way this would be viable is if killing these mobs gave like 3k xp upon death. If the xp rate was similar to what you get by plowing through barely ep mobs, it would be a great way to mix up the process so you can choose your partying preference for the day.

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I don't see why SE can't do that. It'd only mean more choice in terms of how you level up and make the process a little more interesting. Fast exp doesn't have to be monotonous.

I highly doubt they would ever consider implementing something like this, but it's not a a terrible idea. I don't know why people have to start being dicks about it. It's an MMORPG. That means it's community based. That means parties. That means Abyssea destroyed the core fundamentals of the game. You can all bitch and moan all you want that it didn't, I don't care. It did. Period. This game used to be something I enjoyed and looked forward to playing because I knew I would always meet someone new. Now? Might as well be playing FFX. At least no one in that game is rude. Even Seymour had manners.

I know what the OP is suggesting here. They would like to see the game return to the days when we HAD to rely on others and grow together and make those friendships. I understand the game is now old and is aimed at older players who are now 90+, but there are still new players coming in and unfortunately, most of them leave before the first limit break because no one will even give them the time of day. So yes, my personal opinion is that Abyssea came along and turned people into a bunch of jackass elitists who have nothing better to do than lurk on forums and flame genuine ideas that would make the game more enjoyable for the right reasons. This is nothing new. Go look at the most popular threads right now. They are all "I want I want gimme!" and are for stupid shit and are supported by 90% of the people. Meanwhile, a threat like this comes along with a desperate plea for something that might break the cycle of players becoming cold and indifferent, and BOOM! Instant dislike.

And it's because of this reason, this lack of people caring and the amount of people on this forum who make it their lifes work to be the biggest prick in the world, that I haven't logged in for a week because I know if I do, it will be the same old tired crap of logging into a game where all the zones are empty and people standing in one spot for six straight hours will respond to a help /tell with [I have plans].

Go QQ somewhere else. I'm only joking, but that's the sort of response you're probably expecting (and probably will get).

But you're right. There's a number of people who are more interesting in shitting on people's suggestions and trying to make them look stupid (I guess so they look smarter in comparison). Many people seem to lack basic social skills and it seems being a prick to other people is the only way they can communicate. Almost everybody post seems to be an effort to 1-Up somebody. Instead of enjoying a game with other people it's about being better than everybody else...but it's not Pokemon, not everybody wants to be the very best. ;)

Whilst elitists might like to have big mouths and present themselves as the authority I've found that actually many players aren't actually like that. I suspect many level headed people avoid these forums, probably because they view it as petty or a waste of their time. I wouldn't mind seeing a much more civil forum, because I love this game, I have my own ideas for improvement and think it'd be a fantastic opportunity for people communicating outside of game about the game's content.

However, you can probably predict how people are going to respond.

I don't understand why people complaint so much... the game now is FULL of OPTIONS on how you want to get your xp and level up.

1. You can do the old fashion way and get boost via GoV and FoV, all the way to 99 via various old school camping ground and most of them are EMPTY - you can even grab a bunch of people who are doing WS trials as well in the process. Either 6 people old school hardcore or alliance style, OPTIONS are everywhere. Heck you can even have your alt leech this way too, more money for SE, makes the game easier for you.

2. You can do it via abyssea burn, the preferred method for everyone nowadays.

3. You can do it via walk of echoes and campaign, strictly for lvl 75 and above to get good exp reward. Not main source for exp since you get other things with this style.

4. You can do it via Voidwatch, strictly for level 90s and above and a good way to get merits, each battle give you around 20k exp for 8 merits or so if you pop it 4 times per run.

That's at least the FOUR possible ways to gain xp with one being the most popular but that does not meant there is no other way. Don't be a sheep, start taking charge and go venture and figure out new options.

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Originally Posted by Zorander

Aby EXP is one of the major things keeping this game alive right now (IMO of course). Sure grinding away at some of your favorite jobs was awesome and fun and I truly loved leveling everyone one of my jobs pre Abyssea. I had 7 jobs @ 75 and I was hooked on meriting, at Aby release I had over 700 merits and I was 100% capped xp/merits. Exping is what I did and I did it a lot..that is why I love Aby XP, i've played this game for so long that the last thing I want to do is take 6, 8, 10+ months to get a job to lvl cap. With Aby XP players now can level multiple jobs in the same or less time that it did @ 75. Unlocking even more things to do in game and allowing players to do more things low man because well everyone has needed jobs leveled. Sure there are Abygimps now but if you think that Aby ruined the game making more gimps you are wrong, very wrong..gimps have always been here and will always be here Aby has nothing to do with it.

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although you are right about the gimps part to some degree, there are def a lot more then there were before. and as far as abyssea xp goes, you can pretty damn good xp out side of abyssea now. but people dont try xping out of abyssea anymore because they are too busy in jeuno shouting, "Abyssea leech, yes please." i said this in an earlier post on this thread but GoV gives great xp. if you can get even 3 friends with you, you can plow through pages getting 1,500-4000xp a page (depending on level of the page of course). but people would rather be lazy and shout for abyssea leech all day

I think what tc and others suggesting that Abyssea be capped at 75 for entrance don't realize is that it would be near impossible to find a party 30-75. That was the case before Abyssea, don't know why you guys think that would change if Abyssea had a cap on it. I know alot people wouldn't even bother leveling alot of jobs but because they can leech in Abyssea they do.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

I don't understand why people complaint so much... the game now is FULL of OPTIONS on how you want to get your xp and level up.

1. You can do the old fashion way and get boost via GoV and FoV, all the way to 99 via various old school camping ground and most of them are EMPTY - you can even grab a bunch of people who are doing WS trials as well in the process. Either 6 people old school hardcore or alliance style, OPTIONS are everywhere. Heck you can even have your alt leech this way too, more money for SE, makes the game easier for you.

2. You can do it via abyssea burn, the preferred method for everyone nowadays.

3. You can do it via walk of echoes and campaign, strictly for lvl 75 and above to get good exp reward. Not main source for exp since you get other things with this style.

4. You can do it via Voidwatch, strictly for level 90s and above and a good way to get merits, each battle give you around 20k exp for 8 merits or so.

That's at least the FOUR possible ways to gain xp with one being the most popular but that does not meant there is no other way. Don't be a sheep, start taking charge and go venture and figure out new options.

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I quite like the idea of exploring new camps and do try and do it. BB aren't quite like old exp parties (I mean aside from the obvious exp boost), particularly with main camps - I 6 manned with a few Japanese people in Crawler's nest, but I think the main difference between old exp and BB is that BB is relying on exp from pages whereas old parties relied on exp from monsters. So in a BB it's more rewarding to get a quick kill from an EP mob rather than take on an IT mob. For higher levels like 90+ I'm sure the higher exp mobs are tougher to take down and require more teamwork.

If you've got any camp recommendations, I'd be interested in hearing them and wouldn't mind a change of scene. I've still got to get some jobs to 95, plus when I can get off my backside, I'll need to do LB10 and then get everything I play to 99.

However, I think all the old camps would need is for SE to give a larger exp boost and a boost to CP/AN/IS so it can be explored as another option (plus with the extra CP/AN/IS more can be spent on gear or be used to generate gil, useful for newbies/returning players taking this option). Giving a larger exp boost would hardly be over powered...given the other choices give superior exp. In theory it shouldn't be a big fix.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

I think what tc and others suggesting that Abyssea be capped at 75 for entrance don't realize is that it would be near impossible to find a party 30-75. That was the case before Abyssea, don't know why you guys think that would change if Abyssea had a cap on it. I know alot people wouldn't even bother leveling alot of jobs but because they can leech in Abyssea they do.

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but now you dont need the perfect set up. GoV buddy. i said it in like 5 different posts. you dont even need a party. people are so blinded and spoiled by abyssea that if abyssea were to be capped at 75+, people would be like "how am i suppose to level now?" there are tones of options other then abyssea. people refuse to do them though. they would rather be naked

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Originally Posted by Zorander

If I could make one change to how XP works I would allow the player to choose either xp or cruor. Let the player pick either xp or cruor knida like we before when we had to pick either xp or merit points. If you pick cruor and the rate would have to be a smaller % of mob xp cap but more than cruor cap now. 200~250 maybe even 300 cruor per mob wouldn't be to broken.

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You can force cruor into the 2/3/400+ per mob zone in aby already. Alternate kills on monster families, with an occasional Emphymerial/Luminial monster and you can get both xp and cruor at the same time. This however takes much more coordination than "KILL ALL THE THINGS" that current happens in aby parties.

I remember leveling before Aby. BLM getting left in the cold and alone because of birds, THF having to seek 5 hours for every 1 hour spent partying, DRG having a huge hurdle to clear before bird merits, DNC getting ditched for imp parties, PLD getting ignore lol NIN, BLU having to solo and BST being shunned. I remember the hours of careful planning and party crafting, trying and failing to get the one or two RDM that were seeking, the sheer unavailability of COR at all levels and the pitiable WHM pretending to be kings. And very rarely would the parties last for more then an hour, and you'd be lucky to get 3 or 4 levels for your trouble. Often times you wouldn't get even that and in the worst cases you'd leave a level lower then what you started with.

I remember the earliest days when party leaders would charge 500,000 Gil for 3 hours just one party slot in a power level party. This, at least, has not changed.

I remember, when beter times came with Aby and I was mistrustful. These days I don't often party outside my shell because my mistrust was well placed. And it wasn't mistrust in the system, that at least worked. It was mistrust... Mistrust in my fellow players.

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Originally Posted by Sukiichan

but with Abby's Expansion with Pre-Abby or FFXI's Current State
EX: Pre-Abby is FFXI before Abby's arrival
"Attention: This Parties leader is using the Pre-Abby settings"
"Attention: This Parties leader is using "Abby Settings"

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Got it memorized?

/Axel

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And there's only 3 periods in an ellipsis.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

And there's only 3 periods in an ellipsis.

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The fourth is to emphasize my exasperation. "Dot dot dot... DOT."

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Originally Posted by Francisco

The fourth is to emphasize my exasperation. "Dot dot dot... DOT."

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Really? I thought you were sending out a distress signal XD

But it is still grammatically incorrect. An ellipsis has 3 dots, there are different types of ellipses, but none of them are made up of 4 dots. You can break grammar rules for style and that's what you're claiming to have done. But I didn't think grammar Nazis broke grammar rules.

I don't care for grammar Nazism, I think it's pointless, so if I see a grammar Nazi then I'll expect their grammar to be perfect. If you want to break grammar rules then don't be a grammar Nazi.

so... this is a terrible idea.


it sounds like a big fuck you button to your party? "attention: the party leader has activated fuck you mode. why? because fuck you that's why!"

who's gonna volunteer to do the same thing for a third the xp just... because?

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

If you've got any camp recommendations, I'd be interested in hearing them and wouldn't mind a change of scene. I've still got to get some jobs to 95, plus when I can get off my backside, I'll need to do LB10 and then get everything I play to 99.

However, I think all the old camps would need is for SE to give a larger exp boost and a boost to CP/AN/IS so it can be explored as another option (plus with the extra CP/AN/IS more can be spent on gear or be used to generate gil, useful for newbies/returning players taking this option). Giving a larger exp boost would hardly be over powered...given the other choices give superior exp. In theory it shouldn't be a big fix.

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You can still do old school 6 people party via GoV, for example Boyahda Tree is good for lvl 50s-60s, old school party will kill slower but you get 400-600 xp per chain, so around 5-6 mobs per 10 mnts/book for a total net of 5-6k xp max, 36k per hour. Definitely not the best options, alliance style would get you 3k exp every 3-5 mnts and gives you slight boost. The good thing about GoV is you can pretty much do it solo or less than 6 ppl group - but the higher level books will need a solid group who doesn't afk.

Another example is Crawler Nest party where people are stuck with book 1, when they can keep going and do book 2, 3, 4 and stay there till 70s. Most people are lazy and would just follow the herd, they don't bother trying new things but may follow example if someone show them the way.

Try Boyahda, Kuftal, Gustav, Zeruhm Mines, Crawler Nest, King Ranperre Tomb - higher number books may require more teamworks. What is so nice about the GoV is the skill ups, no need for buying 100k skill ups food. Also can grab people who are doing magian trials (Boyahda is prime example) depending on what mob you are fighting - great for others who is breaking WS trials as well. A simple shout for skill ups, magian trials, Ws trials party may get you a good 4-8 people. And don't forget the brown treasure casket too - some ppl want that as well.

As for Campaign, you do get good xp/allied notes when you turn in your tag 2-4 times in long campaign battle that stretch over 15 mnts. Not as good as abyssea but your main goal is allied notes anyway and rank up. A good 6 people party means you can kill more mobs for more xp/an.

Cheers. I used to have a good group for Campaign and used to be able to get people interested in my LS fairly easily, sometimes getting groups larger than 6. I'll give the different BB camps a go, see if I can get people from my LS's involved.

They should make a server for all the Abyssea haters to jump to, and then permanently keep them there. Strip them of the Abyssea expansion, strip them of FoV/GoV, and strip them of every expansion post CoP. Then we won't have to read any more topics like this, and they'll be super happy finding other super slow people to play with.

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Originally Posted by Meyi

They should make a server for all the Abyssea haters to jump to, and then permanently keep them there. Strip them of the Abyssea expansion, strip them of FoV/GoV, and strip them of every expansion post CoP. Then we won't have to read any more topics like this, and they'll be super happy finding other super slow people to play with.

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I see. So what you are suggesting, Mein Furor, is to segregate people you don't like based solely on how they choose to live, or in this case, play; strip them of equality and force them to exist outside of your perfect world. Brilliant strategy, Hitler.

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Originally Posted by Rewyen

I see. So what you are suggesting, Mein Furor, is to segregate people you don't like based solely on how they choose to live, or in this case, play; strip them of equality and force them to exist outside of your perfect world. Brilliant strategy, Hitler.

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Only in this case, those dummies would be leaving voluntarily, not being forced by angry military personnel.

I really don't even know why people keep making these complaints. The ability to make a traditional 6 man xp party has never been removed.

It functions in the exact same way as before:
Stand around in town with your flag up for six hours, and get zero invites. -->
Then fall asleep, and wake up to see that someone sent you an invite right after you fell asleep. -->
Get frustrated, and decide to start your own party. -->
Spend six hours trying to find a healer and or a tank. -->
Fall asleep.

Nothing has changed. People have simply forgotten that it sucked before abyssea just like it does now. Before you couldn't find people to level with because leveling was slow, tedious, and boring. Now there are people leveling, but they don't want to do it in 6 man parties. Same outcome either way.

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Originally Posted by Rewyen

I see. So what you are suggesting, Mein Furor, is to segregate people you don't like based solely on how they choose to live, or in this case, play; strip them of equality and force them to exist outside of your perfect world. Brilliant strategy, Hitler.

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Pardon me. Noone is Forcing people into Abyssea to exp, its their own choice if they want to exp in Abyssea or the Traditional way. Now tell me: If People are really so unhappy about Abyssea exp, why is it then that you "traditional" people cant get a "Traditional" PT together?

For me its clear that People make their choices. And they choose what they like the most, so stop whining about it. The Mistake lies not within Abyssea, the mistake lies on the "Traditional" People that felt that something was taken away from them, when infact just different other options were added for people to pic up. Do you blame the other people for makeing their own choices on how they want to spend THEIR time in the game how THEY want?

the problems with the OP's suggestion are manifold. But 1st, if you don't like the Abby XP system, simply don't go there. My last 2 jobs I took to 99 I solo'd to 75 because parties were not to be found and I refused to be a level 99 with level 32 skills, if that. FoV/GoV make XP outside Aby almost in the same league as what you get just key whoring in an Aby ops burn, but still allow the meaningful accumulation of skill that Aby does not. They also give you a variety of locations/prey to play in/with. Regardless, no need for an "off" switch.

If you really want to grind, just fire up the NPC in the appropriate mode and go spam books. Keep a seek flag up, and put in your comment "No Abyssea, old-school only". Granted, morons can't read so you'll still get inappropriate invites but it is a good way to identify idiots to add to your /blist. You may be surprised how many invites you get, you're not the only one that prefers that option, despite the tone of most of the responders on here.

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Originally Posted by Rewyen

I see. So what you are suggesting, Mein Furor, is to segregate people you don't like based solely on how they choose to live, or in this case, play; strip them of equality and force them to exist outside of your perfect world. Brilliant strategy, Hitler.

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I'm glad you get it. It'd make finding people with a similar mindset a lot easier to play with, and would result in less topics such as this one sprouting up. If people want to play in oldschool six man parties, then go for it! But every single time I hear people bring up the topic they start complaining about how hard it is to find like minded players to make parties with. So, if everyone was on the same server, they could just /sea all and find everyone else who was down for the same party style.

Oh, and they'd have to remove Level Sync too. That results in bad skills (which is another common complaint).

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Only in this case, those dummies would be leaving voluntarily, not being forced by angry military personnel.

I really don't even know why people keep making these complaints. The ability to make a traditional 6 man xp party has never been removed.

It functions in the exact same way as before:
Stand around in town with your flag up for six hours, and get zero invites. -->
Then fall asleep, and wake up to see that someone sent you an invite right after you fell asleep. -->
Get frustrated, and decide to start your own party. -->
Spend six hours trying to find a healer and or a tank. -->
Fall asleep.

Nothing has changed. People have simply forgotten that it sucked before abyssea just like it does now. Before you couldn't find people to level with because leveling was slow, tedious, and boring. Now there are people leveling, but they don't want to do it in 6 man parties. Same outcome either way.

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This is 100% true. Thanks Frank. :)

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Originally Posted by Damane

If People are really so unhappy about Abyssea exp, why is it then that you "traditional" people cant get a "Traditional" PT together?

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I never said I was "traditional." I hated putting my flag up, but I know that the first time I hit 75, I knew how to perform my job and wasn't 40 levels under capped. I also wasn't prone to acting like a jackass. I don't care how people get their exp, but the old way did have one thing Abyssea doesn't: camaraderie. I honestly don't think it's the old party grinding people miss, I think it's making new friends and not feeling like they are a poor kid that wandering into a country club by accident. Face facts- Abyssea has made this game full of assholes. Not saying everyone is, but anyone who has played more than two years can certainly take a moment and look back and realize that while EXP might fall off of trees now, the world has become unbalanced and is full of cliques.

Think back to the days before ToAU. If you were leveling a new job outside one of the cities and were getting beat up, a passing mage would swoop in and rescue you, cheer you on, toss a protect and shell, make chit chat and probably send you a friend request and tell you to call on them if you ever needed help. But now? I could drop dead in front of the official Vana'Diel Society of White Mages and not one of them would so much as turn around, and if one of them did, it would be to run over my corpse and stare for a minute before teleporting.

But hey, if that's how people want to play, fine. It's really sad because I would probably be the first person to jump in and help one of them, even if they were a complete ass here on the forum and I know that feeling is probably not even mutual, and that's the problem.

Some people back then still didn't know how to play their jobs at level 75 with the old system. At least with the current exp system, others don't have to suffer(as badly) as a result of their incompetence.

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Originally Posted by Disifer

Week? Try a day.....

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While true in a day some of us actually have a life and a job you know, LOL

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Really what was so challenging about auto target WS rinse repeat. Wait I know you one of those that think time = challenge when the real challenge was not passing out. Or refreshing the search hoping to claim the very rare NMs know as brd, rdms.

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auto target, ws, rinse repeat? wtf kind of people you play with because that sound like somebody who dies alot. LOL