[dev 1065]99 R/M/E. Double checking to be completely sure.

There are different degrees of exclusivity that people can pursue. The exclusivity of stage 2 would be unrivaled but for people who aren't willing to take on that challenge there's things like completing all quests. Obtaining an ultimate weapon for every job they play. Obtaining every ultimate weapon for their favorite job. Even having all jobs at 99 even though it's easy is it's own level of exclusivity.

Just to be clear I agree that the stage 2 trials are completely insane and should be lowered by a fair margin but I do not think that only the most unhealthily addicted players should be able to carry the highest tier of weapon. Telling 99.9% of your audience "no you can never have the best weapon no matter how hard you worked to get up to this point" is far worse than telling people "you have the option to do this insane trial but all you get is a small party buff and you get to glow".

I do think the core of MMOs consists of those 2 groups of people. It's possible our definition of "the core" isn't the same. I consider it the collection of players that plays for years without quitting or just taking very short breaks. For the purposes of this specific topic though the group concerned (ultimate weapon holders) is composed almost entirely of those 2 types of people and they catered to both with these trials. I also would not have used your words to describe the two groups because I think it's a harsh representation of both but I think that's what you were going for. One group believes that with a reasonable amount of work they are entitled to the best gear and the other wants proof of how they pushed themselves harder than anyone else. Both understandable and both taken care of.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm actually pretty happy that they decided to go this route with the trials... but I will say that making the reward for the most grueling trial yet in XI almost purely aesthetic doesn't make all that much sense. I know that there are players who like long, daunting challenges but I think they deserve a bit more than a minor buff and a glow. Just sayin'

I'm satisfied with this turn of events, provided that stage 1 of the level 99 upgrade is not unreasonable. Like many, I strive to be the best, and obtaining the relevant ultimate weapon(s) is a part of that. I would not have rage quit if the level 99 requirements had been left in place, but my faith in SE would have reached its nadir.

Every player who finishes a level 75 ultimate weapon should also be able to finish their level 99 ultimate weapon, sans glowiness. I can't miss the glow if it doesn't exist.

I think it's cool they split the trial the way they did but it's not cool they still punish people with these bullshit trials.

Why does the dev team think taking years for a glow effect that does nothing for the user is ok, but at 75 when a group of people tired to kill PW, took 18 hours and made news on yahoo, things had to be changed?

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

You glow without WSing genius.

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Originally Posted by Dev1065

Afterglow effects activate when the weapon skill corresponding to the equipped weapon
For Aegis and Ochain, the effects activate when Shield Bash is used.

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Misleading post is misleading? You glow without WS but you have to WS to gain the effect? That's pretty stupid.

I have a somewhat unrelated question. We've been level 99 for over a month now. Can I please have my 99 relic trial like now (and not March)?

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Originally Posted by Nervosa

Why does the dev team think taking years for a glow effect that does nothing for the user is ok, but at 75 when a group of people tired to kill PW, took 18 hours and made news on yahoo, things had to be changed?

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PW at the time dropped a couple of the best pieces of gear in the game makingit something that someone intent on being as powerful as possible was forced to do. Stage 2 is optional for the power of your weapon. Again I still think the trial is insane and should be lowered but I don't see a ton of harm in an insane trial that you can easily choose to not do and not sacrifice a substantial amount of power.

I'm gonna be honest. I think the whole concept of an achievement that takes years in a game is just beyond evil. However, if they really just absolutely have to put some stupid crap like that in it..... I think they should make it even more worthless. like literally just the glowing effect. Give the sphere type effect to trial 1. The only thing you gain is the bling.

in 6 months i cant wait to poke the shit out of the idiot who glows in port jeuno who will stand out like sum poor challenged kid ... course then theyll jus be easy marks for manthras :D

It won't be in 6 months no matter how hardcore they are or how little life they have.

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Originally Posted by Kluaf

in 6 months i cant wait to poke the shit out of the idiot who glows in port jeuno who will stand out like sum poor challenged kid ... course then theyll jus be easy marks for manthras :D

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that will not happen in 6 months... maybe in 2 years when 1 person SLAVED 35 other people to daily farm and kill ADL for 2 years (for double dorps!).

When you want to poke a mythic holder with glow, I suggest you send your grandchildren to look after that person and poke it.

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that will not happen in 6 months... maybe in 2 years when 1 person SLAVED 35 other people to daily farm and kill ADL for 2 years (for double dorps!).

When you want to poke a mythic holder with glow, I suggest you send your grandchildren to look after that person and poke it.

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People with Relic/Mythic/Empy will just teamup together and made a static team to do it everyday, yeah you even can find relic WHM for the team :p

That might work if you only needed kills. Make an alliance of 18 people who all need the item and you get to kill ADL 18,000 times. 5,400 if the supposed .dat mined numbers turnout to be true. SE only wants like 1 person per server glowing and you wont see that person glowing for at least a year but that's fine with me. They can have the prestige/pity. I just want the damage.

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That might work if you only needed kills. Make an alliance of 18 people who all need the item and you get to kill ADL 18,000 times. 5,400 if the supposed .dat mined numbers turnout to be true. SE only wants like 1 person per server glowing and you wont see that person glowing for at least a year but that's fine with me. They can have the prestige/pity. I just want the damage.

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Ohh? you dont only need the kill? there is an item needed?
I thinked it was only the kill so 18 people can get together the work done with a daily work...

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Originally Posted by Hercule

Ohh? you dont only need the kill? there is an item needed?
I thinked it was only the kill so 18 people can get together the work done with a daily work...

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Now you see what all the fuss is about. It's not team up for the sake of everyone. It's team up for the sake of one, and just that one person's trial will take years. This is the content the devs are wasting their self-admitted limited resources on. Content which, by design, a very limited number of people even have a chance of completing.

You all still ranting bout this??

Truth be told, most people complaining fall in one of 2 groups

Group 1) Dont own a relic or mythic and never weill

Group 2) Don't really care bout afterglow effect

Those complaining bout a group working on 1 person's goal? Dynamis pre-update says HELLO!

Anyway, i dont see the big deal.. The trial can stay how it is, most people really dont care bout the effect anyway, its not doing anything to help you. If you wanna do it.. go for it.

Building a PW pop isnt hard, just a lil time consuming but relatively easy.

SE hasnt announced the final, maybe there will be pouches? Maybe they will change the zeni system.. we dont know yet.. Dont stress it. You should be more upset bout how lame the stats are...

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Those complaining bout a group working on 1 person's goal? Dynamis pre-update says HELLO!

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To be fair, there was A LOT of other stuff the helpers could get in dynamis while working on a person's relic. Many linkshells even did gil payouts every month.

After a handful of Arch Dynamis Lord kills, what's going to be needed for your group? Do you plan to incorporate an AF/Currency/Forgotten farm? That'll add more time to the whole ordeal.

Basically, your comparison is invalid.

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Originally Posted by Yoky

You all still ranting bout this??

Truth be told, most people complaining fall in one of 2 groups

Group 1) Dont own a relic or mythic and never weill

Group 2) Don't really care bout afterglow effect

Those complaining bout a group working on 1 person's goal? Dynamis pre-update says HELLO!

Anyway, i dont see the big deal.. The trial can stay how it is, most people really dont care bout the effect anyway, its not doing anything to help you. If you wanna do it.. go for it.

Building a PW pop isnt hard, just a lil time consuming but relatively easy.

SE hasnt announced the final, maybe there will be pouches? Maybe they will change the zeni system.. we dont know yet.. Dont stress it. You should be more upset bout how lame the stats are...

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Building a PW pop isn't hard? Ok, fine. Now multiply that exact same effort x100 or x300 or whatever. See that's the thing. They aren't asking for 1 PW or 2 or 5.

You don't know what they'll do as far as the system or the drops either. All we have to go by is what they have on the test server, which if the test server is worth anything at all should be what we go by when judging pre-release content. That's what a test-server is for!

They put it on the server. We test it. We give feedback on it. They tweak it. We give feedback. They tweak until we and they are largely satisfied. That's a test server. That's how it works... That's what we're doing now. Giving feedback on what they've shown us. Until they announce and introduce pouches or changes in the zeni system we can't assume there will be any. We have to take what they give us and what they tell us at face value. Assuming is actually the wrong thing to do.

For f*cks sake. People need to stop saying that the stage 2 buffs should be stronger because that will end up being the one thing they listen to. SE made a halfway decent decision. Please don't make them ruin it.

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For f*cks sake. People need to stop saying that the stage 2 buffs should be stronger because that will end up being the one thing they listen to. SE made a halfway decent decision. Please don't make them ruin it.

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I don't want the buff to be better, I want the trial to be less absurd. And I don't mean only a small handful of said items. I mean three. Maybe four.

Anything over five for those kind of things is a pain. Anything over 10 is just asinine.

Wasn't directed at you but it's important that people chose their words carefully. Saying something like "The reward for this trial isn't worth the effort" while intending to say the requirements should be lowered could easily be interpreted as you asking for the rewards to be better. Remember when dealing with SE pretend you are telling a wish to an evil genie who will twist your words. "I want to be beautiful forever." "Ok, I will turn you into a statue."

I've been asking SE to make PLD more desirable for years....

Now we have Voidwatch.

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Fuck.

About PW pop item, maybe SE plan to guive us the acces realy easy,
Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/NPAte.jpg
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27...-mystery-boxes

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Originally Posted by Hercule

About PW pop item, maybe SE plan to guive us the acces realy easy,
Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/NPAte.jpg
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27...-mystery-boxes

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Yeah... I'm sure they'll drop real often from mystery boxes just like Ridills drop real often from Fafnir and the best armor drops real often from VW.

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Originally Posted by Hercule

About PW pop item, maybe SE plan to guive us the acces realy easy,
Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/NPAte.jpg
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27...-mystery-boxes

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I don't think you understand what is going on in that image.

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I don't think you understand what is going on in that image.

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Yeeeeeeah lol.

However, it does mean that PW pop item can be a reward from the daily reward chest, but chances are you can probably build 100 PW pops the normal way before seeing one from that chest.

Actually Know a fella who got the Pandemonium Key from the Box...

They killed it just a few days ago.

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Actually Know a fella who got the Pandemonium Key from the Box...

They killed it just a few days ago.

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Picked dial 5 yesterday and got a Hi-Potion +2. -.-
I bet it's IP based just like voidwatch loot! ffffffffff D:

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Actually Know a fella who got the Pandemonium Key from the Box...

They killed it just a few days ago.

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I'm sure people have won Myhtics from Mog Bonanza... I don't think we can really consider either one a reliable method of distribution.

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I don't want the buff to be better, I want the trial to be less absurd. And I don't mean only a small handful of said items. I mean three. Maybe four.

Anything over five for those kind of things is a pain. Anything over 10 is just asinine.

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But that's not how SE see's it. This is a JP game, and if you've played any of the East Asian (Japanese / Korean) RPG's they tend to create a set of items that take ridiculously amounts of time to get and are incredibly impractical. That is exactly what Stage II Lv 99 weapons are. They are the Infinity +1 Sword. The Stage I lv 99 could be seen as the Infinity -1 Sword, not statistically the absolute best, but near enough to be more useful then the Stage IIs.

Or better yet, view the LV 99 Stage II's as Bragging Rights Reward

I'm just happy their going to make the stage 1's somewhat obtainable by everyone else.

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I'm sure people have won Myhtics from Mog Bonanza... I don't think we can really consider either one a reliable method of distribution.

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IIRC the r/m/e weapons that were given out for bonanza were a one-time thing for SE accounts (so only one entry per SE account). I'd guess that there were at most a handful of winners across all servers, if any. That's neither here nor there.

I don't know, when I talk to the goblin and ask what I could have gotten, all he ever lists is crap now. He used to give some actual good things for the 3rd option but these days it's stuff like Erase, peiste pellets, and the like.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I'm sure people have won Myhtics from Mog Bonanza... I don't think we can really consider either one a reliable method of distribution.

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Was not agreeing with anyone, Was simply stating I know its possible to get one. Of course it will be like... 1/1,000,000 chance.. x.x