Posters on "JOB lv. 1" characters trolling

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Originally Posted by Runespider

I highly doubt Square will add this (too much effort) so here is a very good thing all those that are for this can do, it will..at least partially fix all the problems you are having while not really impacting anyone else.

Black list the people who are posting from low level chars, you will not be able to see their posts or topics and you will have the thing you want. It's the same as blisting people ingame who are annoying you, this should be the most simple way to combat it for those that have serious issues with anonymity here.

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So because you're closing your eyes, blocking your ears going "LALALALALALALALA" doesnt mean SE may take insight from these trolls. Blisting troll accounts doesnt make them not exist.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHeart

yes actually it has in various games and could well do so

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Hey dummy, if your account "Woolie" gets hacked, guess what, they have access to your main also...

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

You mean these forum guidelines? Yeah, I don't see the rule against hiding your identity in there.

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Then why require account linking? for lulz?
The people going "I wont post here if I cant be anonymous" are probably people who make troll posts to begin with, and wont be missed. How can anyone be missed if they dont let anyone know who they are?

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Seriously just be real about it. You either want to know their real char names to torment their character ingame or because you just want to reinforce your false belief of superiority. Very simple.

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You've heard it here first folks. I'm going to spend 25$ to worldshift my character to troll someone because I now know whos responsible for the dumbshit comments they're making.

What's the point of being anonymous on a forum like this? Are you afraid that your opinion is so bad that you'll damage your reputation so much that you'll be an outcast? If that's the case you probably shouldn't be posting at all.

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So because you're closing your eyes, blocking your ears going "LALALALALALALALA" doesnt mean SE may take insight from these trolls. Blisting troll accounts doesnt make them not exist.

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What is wrong with you? I know you aren't really stupid enough to think this will stop trolls AT ALL, I don't mind you wanting this option at all but stop saying it's for trolls. To use your own way of thinking, if you have a good argument you don't need to hide behind a false one.

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What's the point of being anonymous on a forum like this? Are you afraid that your opinion is so bad that you'll damage your reputation so much that you'll be an outcast? If that's the case you probably shouldn't be posting at all.

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What's the point not being anonymous? What are teh benefits of saying "THIS IS ME INGAME"?

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The thing is the system teases you by showing you there's a post by someone on your blacklist and giving you the option to reveal the post. It is suprisingly compelling to do so, just in case someone actually decides to say something intelligent, or you forgot why you blocked that person. So while it helps, it's not a perfect solution.

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You defeat your own argument, I thought you said unlinked posters had nothing good to offer or are just trolling? Teasing you with the placeholder should warrant no insentive if you know it's from an "Anon troll". I blisted someone a while back and since I know what he posts I have no intrest in checking them, why is it different for you? I'm trying to offer a fix that will help towards you're aim, if enough follow your example then it will be pointless for anon accounts to post here tright?..nobody will read them, or do they offer something valuable to read still even though you don't know their ingame name?

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If you truly believe that then you still wouldn't be hanging around here. I dare you to walk the talk and stop posting. No loss, right?

I don't expect you to stop posting, for the record. It's practically in the same ball park as asking you to quit FFXI here and now. Never going to happen until your hand is forced.

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Do you believe otherwise? You think anything we post here reaches the devs ears at all (or if it does they give a crap?) I'll be highly suprised if you do, maybe to a small extent on the JP forums but not here...lol Not on ingame issues anyway.

I post here for the same reason I check the XIV forums (for a game I quit in disgust long ago) and some others, it's part of my daily routine of stuff to do while playing FF and waiting for something or other to pop or simply to get involved in a rant/discussion.

Oh and just to throw another spanner in the works for those this holy cursade to banish anonymity on a forum, many people have cure alt accounts these days. For instance this account is not my main, so even posting the actual main char on the account will offer very little to people from other servers that go check their FFXIAH page and post comments on it, like mr tacocat.

At that point what's next, posting on their server forums for information or trying to find out who's main account the alt belongs to? If so why? I just honestly don't see what the big deal to all this is, I don't see what knowing the ingame name to someone's posting alias offers to anyone at all.

Some say they don't understand why people want to be anonymous, well we don't get why you care. Afterall, you say over and over that the ingame char name means very little to be so protective of so why does it offer anything of value to know it?

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Originally Posted by Runespider

What's the point not being anonymous? What are teh benefits of saying "THIS IS ME INGAME"

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Look, if you're too insecure to show yourself and your persona, that's fine. But know this, you won't be hidden for too long. People always find out who you are, it's only a matter of time, and it only makes you look even more stupid than you would have if you'd just nutted the hell up and posted as yourself.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Oh and just to throw another spanner in the works for those this holy cursade to banish anonymity on a forum, many people have cure alt accounts these days. For instance this account is not my main, so even posting the actual main char on the account will offer very little to people from other servers that go check their FFXIAH page and post comments on it, like mr tacocat.

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Since ffxiah has been in existence I have posted a grand total of ZERO comments on anyones page genius. Just more of your tin foil hat nonsense to justify posting /anon here instead of being honest about it being strictly cowardice.

You can also edit your ffxiah profile to not show the comments on your profile page. So if someone posts a nasty comment, noone else can see it and you can just delete it, no harm done.

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Look, if you're too insecure to show yourself and your persona, that's fine. But know this, you won't be hidden for too long. People always find out who you are, it's only a matter of time, and it only makes you look even more stupid than you would have if you'd just nutted the hell up and posted as yourself.

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I offer you the challenge to waste countless hours of your life finding out who I am, knock yourself out. Someone probably does know who my char's name is, I've posted plenty of hints of gear etc but it boggles the mind that people like you would care to waste time from your life on a task that not only offers no reward but in regard somone you will never ever meet or care about (or have contact with outside of the words we both post here). If someone is sad enough that cares though, go for it. It won't change the content of my posts or the name that sits under my avatar either way.

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Since ffxiah has been in existence I have posted a grand total of ZERO comments on anyones page genius. Just more of your tin foil hat nonsense to justify posting /anon here instead of being honest about it being strictly cowardice.

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My apologies, I mixed you up with someone else. If me posting anon is cowardice I'm assuming you are posting with bravery then? Bravery on a forum is counted by the name of your char instead of the content of your post? (even though cowardice and bravery in regards posting on a forum is hilarious but you tried to use that line of through lol)

I'll be honest, I've read a lot of your posts and the quality and content of them isn't that great (kinda stuff a 14 year old would post mostly XD). Maybe relying on your ingame name is a crutch for you that many others don't need?

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-co...lar-mmorpg.jpg

More like posting with honesty coward.

The content of my posts don't meet your criteria? I must have failed to absorb the Runespider's guide to intelligent posts. Post a zillion whining negative threads interspersed with Amagad Tanaka you make me so Emo. Hold on brb cutting myself. Hai Gaiz check out my super Dee duper Meme's! You don't know who I am though tee hee hee....

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More like posting with honesty coward.

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What have you posted that's so honest? What makes you such an honest and true poster? Just curious how you think this is an argument at all. So you class people that post on anon forums like Alla and BG dishonest people? o.O

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The content of my posts don't meet your criteria? I must have failed to absorb the Runespider's guide to intelligent posts. Post a zillion whining negative threads interspersed with Amagad Tanaka you make me so Emo. Hold on brb cutting myself. Hai Gaiz check out my super Dee duper Meme's! You don't know who I am though tee hee hee....

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Just that you post drivel most of the time, which is fine of course (so do I!)! but when you try to set yourself up as something good, pitchfork inhand complaining about the trolls and cowardly anon posters and then post just as much garbage yourself, then it comes off kinda silly.

Anyway fear not, I'm sure nobody doubts that you are truely a brave hero. Quite possibly the bravest hero the FFXI official forums have to offer and of that I'm sure you are very proud.

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I offer you the challenge to waste countless hours of your life finding out who I am, knock yourself out.

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Nobody really wants to do that (except possibly the person you were responding to?)- but they also shouldn't have to. It's the simple fact that not using your real character tells people you have something to hide, or that "Hey, I get to be an ass on these forums because no one will ever find out who I am!" Basically, there's only one reason not to select your main character, and that's to send the message that you're here just to be a jerk and get away with it.

And that internet meme image you posted kind of proves that.

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Maybe relying on your ingame name is a crutch for you that many others don't need?

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No one said it guarantees post quality, though odds are higher you'll see decent posts from people who use their character name (Now come on, it's not like we're asking for your real, actual life name) over those who don't.

Personally, I'm willing to accept the consequences of my actions if someone hates me enough after reading one of my posts that they want to go find me on the server and train NMs to my EXP party or something. It would suck, but at least I maintain my integrity and show I'm better than faceless internet trolls. The fact is, using mules as your main character is essentially a free license to troll- After all, since no one knows who you are, you can get away with it 100%, right?

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Oh and just to throw another spanner in the works for those this holy cursade to banish anonymity on a forum, many people have cure alt accounts these days. For instance this account is not my main, so even posting the actual main char on the account will offer very little to people from other servers that go check their FFXIAH page and post comments on it, like mr tacocat.

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Who the hell cares about comments made on a ffxiah profile? The only people whos going to look at them are people relevant to the situation. You think someones gonna decline you to a VW alliance for that?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjk6lKLyn1qgj47l.jpg
"Helllllllo (mr anon whos too scared to post his name because his balls still havent dropped yet), whaaaaaaaaats happenin. I was just doing a routine background check on you, and I found some disparaging comments on ffxiah profile. Yeahhhhhhh this guy posted that you're a retard, so I'm gonna pass you up for this undergeared pup, he atleast has friends. Mmmmmmmmkay. Oh, oh, and I almost forgot, I'm gonna tell my friends to avoid you, we uh...had some problems based on rumors, and we want to avoid that. Thaaaaaaaaaaaanks".

If you feel someone is trolling, u blist them. I cant stand people who are determined to have a problem. I myself, blist every last person i think is a complete moron and is jiust trying to get a rise out of me. Why on earth would you want to see a troll comment? Why on earth do you care what a troll says? If your argument is, someone should own up to their views and show themselves, the question i have for you is, how does that benefit you exactly? you already stated you wouldn't harrase them or bother them in game, so why do you need to know who a troll is?

So you can avoid them in game? If someone is a true troll, they will act so in game, in which you would blist them there as well. If theyre only trolling on the board, then in game it doesn't benefit you to know who they are. Because in xi, they are not trolling. So im just not sure how knowing or not knowing who someone is on a board benefits a person.

Integrity of poster? Again, if you're someone who cares what other people think of your opinion, sure. But 90% of us don't care that much. This is a discussion board for a video game, it isn't that deep.If you don't like my opinion, or even respect it, I couldn't care less. Im still going to express it and if you're gonna troll me as a response, ill just blist and go on my merry way.

I suggest everyone does the same. Cause it's really not that big a deal.

Yes we know you blist everyone...you blist everyone who has an opinion differing from yours. Must be a sad lonely world you live in.

I guess since I can, I'll use you as proof of why people shouldnt be allowed to post on lv1 accounts,or atleast have a 5 post limit up untill a certain level...which makes sense considering SE allready has level restrictions in game on certain things (fishing for one):

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/me...16309-Benihana
Joined 04-18-2011
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/members/4201-Anewie
Joined 03-08-2011

I'm not exactly sure when SE forced character linking...but look at these post tenures:
Apr 11: both post
May 11: Anewie, no Benihana
Up untill mid june: Anewie only
Mid june till aug: Anewie disappears
Benihana has a couple posts in september, disappears for 2 months and resurfaces around christmas for a week. Disappears again only for Anewie to appear.
You probably have more troll accounts that no ones noticed.

Both share similar signatures: ridiculously stupid gif, and attacking greatguardian.

I totally concur that people need to grow a pair and post under their real characters instead of thier mules.

Not like your "forum rep" matters anyway. I'd guess that less than half the playerbase posts on any of the active forums, so even if you're labeled a troll or bad player, it's more than likely not going to come back to haunt you. You may occasionally get the one or 2 players who frequent forums and know who you are, but for the most part you are still anonymous.

So yea, hiding behind a lvl 1 mule account is kind of a moot point.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

LOL people are gonna hack my account if they know my name....

Seriously just be real about it. You either post from a mule account because you want to start shit without anyone being able to trace it back to you. Or the game you talk of here on the forum doesn't match up to your ingame gear/progression. Very simple.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

LOL trolling is gonna stop if people know the real character name...

Seriously just be real about it. You either want to know their real char names to torment their character ingame or because you just want to reinforce your false belief of superiority. Very simple.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

You've heard it here first folks. I'm going to spend 25$ to worldshift my character to troll someone because I now know whos responsible for the dumbshit comments they're making.

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So, Nynja, are you defending his post that there are only 2 reasons people would hide behind a mule account on the forums, or are you just shooting down my post that there are only 2 reasons people would demand to know the real identity of a poster? Because I'll be the first to admit I wasn't serious about that post. It was a duplication of his post only I substituted his closed-minded opinions with closed-minded opinions on the other side of the spectrum to create contrast and hopefully help other people to realize he is vastly oversimplifying the issue. Now if you agree with him that those are the only 2 possibilities, well, there is no way for a closed mind to be forcibly opened, so I'd be wasting my time here.

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Then why require account linking? for lulz?

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Beats me, I'm not them. How about you ask them? I always assumed it was to create a little more diversity in avatars so it would be slightly easier to tell posters apart from one another at a glance, but who am I to say? And for that matter, who are you to say? You're not them, so you're not qualified to state what their intentions are unless they themselves have already made it clear. It certainly wouldn't be the first time they did something annoying for their players for seemingly no reason (Hi, ClickAn- oh right, that was for our "own safety" or some BS they fed us about that)

Now if it IS INDEED WHAT THEY INTEND, then they have every right to re-write the ToS, implement your suggested changes, and flip me the bird. But there are currently no rules against it, so unless SE says or does something about it, anyone who says "but they're circumventing the system SE put into place to avoid this" is merely speculating, and my speculation is worth just as much as anyone else's. And my speculation is that we're giving away enough of our identity already, and that if your changes were implemented, trolling on internet forums would not see much of a decrease.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Beats me, I'm not them. How about you ask them?

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I'm trying...

The thing about level 1 mule trolls is people can smell the troll coming a mile away, all it does is just brand them as a troll right off the bat and show them as being pretty dumb, I've always been a proponent of posting on your main, weather it be trolling or a serious post.

Trolling on your main gives your post credibility and makes it a lot harder to differentiate it from a troll, as for trolling on your level 1 alt lol, spineless, you need to put your conviction in it or no one will take it seriously, like they say, get on my level.

Yeah, to be fair to you, I'm pretty much asking the impossible. Getting a straight answer out of SE is like trying to get milk out of a rock.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Giving your account name might unlock potential for that, but not character. There's no way to know the POL ID of someone from their character name, since its a random set of letters and numbers and not named by the player, nor is it displayed to anyone on the forums. You are not at any risk of hacking by using your main character versus a mule, and even if you were, how would using a mule character help? it's obvious any level 1 is a mule and probably not a main character- they'd just hack you anyway and get both if they're on the same account or get whatever you're keeping on your mule that's worth anything.

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Stopped reading the thread here just to point something out - if a person was silly enough to make their SquareEnix ID the same as their character name it could potentially be a security risk. You can get the POL information out of the SE character management system, so if someone made their SE ID the same as their character name it -might- make them a target.

That's going full conspiracy theory though, like hacks targeting specific players and stuff. Because you still have to get the password for said SE account, and the account has to not have a security token.

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Stopped reading the thread here just to point something out - if a person was silly enough to make their SquareEnix ID the same as their character name it could potentially be a security risk.

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It's not a security risk because it does not tell you what the PlayOnline ID or its password is. Without the security token, you need (or need to be able to crack) four pieces of information:
POL ID
POL password
SE Account name
SE Account password

If you have a security token, they need to circumvent that too.

It doesn't matter if they can deduce your account name. They still need your POL ID and both passwords. Just by the pure chance that SE's system ended up being so convulted, it's actually more secure than the average game with just a single logon and password (unless you conciously make it less secure by revealing all of your account details to someone, or if you do something stupid like make your account name and password the same as your POL ID and password- and I wonder if the system even allows that?).

If you log in through the SE account system you can find the POL ID and you can reset the POL password without any additional verification. So w/o a security token, all you need is the SE ID and it's password to take control of an account (Assuming the person has migrated from POL to the SE account system).

There is a somewhat valid concern someone might have if they where indeed pantsonheadstupid enough to use their character name as the SE ID while not having a security token linked. And yes, the POL ID password can be the same as the SE ID password, I tried it last time I reset the PW on my alt. (Then I changed it shaking my head at the sillyness)

Clearly the answer is MOAR PASSWORDS! It's not enough that I keep track of my POL password, SE password, security token, and CnB/Paypal passwords. Those things are all keeping me safe.

I think the account linking was originally done to give the message that action can be taken on your game account due to being properly linked to your posting account, they didn't really care which char you used.

I can't realy see them changing this to add a feature that no other forum has (at least not to the level that some here want it). I quite like talking about this topic but the reality is they aren't going to add it.

It doesn't matter how different all of your passwords and login names are if someone places a keylogger on your computer. That's how the RMT stole all of those accounts years ago.

Otherwise, like Alhanelem said, there are plenty of combinations a person would have to figure out in order to crack into a person's account. Security token being one of the more difficult ones.

Hey guise, why are you all so caught up in this issue? I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Hey guise, why are you all so caught up in this issue? I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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Lolz, theyre worried about your integrity!

Nobody's worried about anything. While I couldn't care less about half of you people hiding behind level 1 characters, I think this thread succeeded in one thing: calling all of you people out for being cowards.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Hey guise, why are you all so caught up in this issue? I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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You are a lv.1 poster, you have no credibility

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Originally Posted by Eric

Nobody's worried about anything. While I couldn't care less about half of you people hiding behind level 1 characters, I think this thread succeeded in one thing: calling all of you people out for being cowards.

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And you're so brave for making incendiary remarks against a group of people when they have no way of tracing your avatar back to the human being who controls it. The hypocracy of calling these people "cowards" is sickening. Even if they're forced to link a level 99 character to their forum account, they're still effectively anonymous. Woo, they're so brave now.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

And you're so brave for making incendiary remarks against a group of people when they have no way of tracing your avatar back to the human being who controls it. The hypocracy of calling these people "cowards" is sickening. Even if they're forced to link a level 99 character to their forum account, they're still effectively anonymous. Woo, they're so brave now.

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Except mr anon poster who goes "only elitist fgts use gearswps" now actually has a name and if they join a VW shout, that person making the group may go "hey wait, I remember you, youre the idiot who said only elitists gearswap...go screw yourself, go gimp it up in abyssea" instead of inviting a scrub.

Forgive me if this is a more frequent occurance than I'm aware of it being, but how frequently does "only elitists use gearswaps" get posted here? And how many of them are currently hiding behind a level 1 char? And how many of them are on the same server as you? And how many of their names do you remember?

The idea here seems to be that you want players to be held accountable for their opinions by other players, not just for the things they do in the actual game, but also for the things they do outside the game, such as posting on internet forums. And to some extent, I can understand why. After all, justice is a very enticing ideal. But I don't think a person's online habits should preclude them from joining in your reindeer games. It's more likely that people would be denied access to a group because "you said something which my enormous ego took offense to on the forums" rather than "you have revealed yourself to be an unskilled player on the forums" anyways.

First, I am on an account with only level 1's. So, you'll want to change your requirements to take care of that. I would suggest that you ask SE to only let people with a level 99 post. Better yet, make it 5 level 99's. As we ALL know for a fact, it's piss easy to get a job to 99.

Second, ask SE to not allow access to any character that is not fully linked to the linkshell community and FFXIAH. Otherwise, we won't know if the person posting even still plays or has gear.

Third, once you've done that, ask SE to enforce some new restrictions:

1) only people with relics can make posts about relics; empys, magians, etc., same idea
2) only people with 99 Mnks can make posts about mnks, mnk gear, mnk abilities etc.
3) only people who are on the test server can make posts about the test server

That should work well I think. The trolls will be running for cover.

Of course, SE will argue that the WHOLE point of the forums is to generate ideas and discussion, while these ideas tend to eliminate it. SE will also argue that the reason they gave us an ignore button was so WE could manage this like the adults they assumed we were....

But I really do see the point. While I guess a lowly patent clerk was able to be listened too by PhD's in physics while he delivered the most advanced theory of the 20th century, those PhDs were apparently mature enough to manage their FEAR over being trolled.

Now that was my first and only post in this thread. Get cracking and let's get some censorship in place!

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

First, I am on an account with only level 1's.

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I'm intrigued as to why. I'm sure there are some legit reasons out there.

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Originally Posted by DrStrangelove

First, I am on an account with only level 1's.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

I'm intrigued as to why. I'm sure there are some legit reasons out there.

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That's one way to insure FFXI will still present a challenge nowadays. Never gain any levels! I'll have to remember that one for the "find ways to make the game more challenging" crowd.

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First, I am on an account with only level 1's. So, you'll want to change your requirements to take care of that.

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Then you don't use that account to register for the forum, simple as that. It's no different than any other lv1 poster. As with the posters above, I'd be wondering why. All I can imagine is it's a mule account, in which case you should be using another account to post with.

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1) only people with relics can make posts about relics; empys, magians, etc., same idea
2) only people with 99 Mnks can make posts about mnks, mnk gear, mnk abilities etc.
3) only people who are on the test server can make posts about the test server

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On 1) and 2), people without those things have legitimately askable questions or topics to discuss. You don't need to be level 99 in a job to discuss that job in any way. You'd be wrong to claim yourself an expert, but what if you're new to a job and wanted to ask questions about it?
On #3 I can agree to the extent that only test server users should be able to post in the test server sections. However, if people want to ask questions about the test server elsewhere, that should be fine. They'd need a lot more moderators to police crap like that anyway.

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Then you don't use that account to register for the forum, simple as that. It's no different than any other lv1 poster. As with the posters above, I'd be wondering why. All I can imagine is it's a mule account, in which case you should be using another account to post with.

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You don't get sarcasm do you?

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I'm intrigued as to why. I'm sure there are some legit reasons out there.

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At my craziest time years ago I had 2 accounts full of level 1 chars purely for gardening, possibly something like that.

he is just trolling us all i bet when it comes down to it just look how many replies just to argue and crap talk back LOL

so it shows that you don't need a mule to troll behind we can all do it at any job any level LOL

I reserve the right to hold my anonimity and i REFUSE TO FEED THE TROLL anymore on this thread so going to stop replying and let it die so u you dont get the oh lookie how many replies i got trolled em all XD

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You are a lv.1 poster, you have no credibility

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You're a lv99 poster, and still have no credibility :D