Minimise the downtime please.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

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No i'm saying that these things should be being put into action if there is any indication that this could be a long term thing. Square US could rent servers and a few JP staff that know how to do it can hop on a plane with backups from the main servers and head to w/e to run the game from there or hand the torch over the america staff to do it. This is a multi million dollar game that brings a lot of revenue into the company not some small fry thing. Do you really think FFXI could not be run from the american office?

If FFXI and FFXIV will be down for 1-2 months it will have a horrible impact.

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What is there is no plane to fly them because they're all shipping washed up bodies here or there or dropping aid to people on hospital rooftops where people are dying of starvation? Think a bit before you say stuff that is only related to money.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

FFXIV.

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I knew you would try to play that card. Fortunately the development staff of 14 had nothing to do with the server shut down. Their thinking was ass backward and have since been replaced by competent people.

I mean just the fact alone there holding back the game due to PS2 hard drive space issues is rediculus... Im gonna go with a game thats interested in moving forward for long time.

Oh and just in case you missed the whole tsunami/airport thing here's a vid. Hope in your world they have seaplanes for those servers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSSssHxm4Y

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Originally Posted by Meril

I mean just the fact alone there holding back the game due to PS2 hard drive space issues is rediculus... Im gonna go with a game thats interested in moving forward for long time.

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Yes moving forward for a long time like FFXI has been doing for the last 10 years? I've been playing 7 and my husband has been playing since the NA release, they are considering the feelings of the players, like my husband, that began on ps2 and still play on ps2, this shows more forward thought then losing a large chunk of their fan base because it's no longer on an easily (to them) accessible console. Most of us on the front lines of a recession don't have the spare funds to just randomly go buy a ps3 or xbox 360, that money is better spend on our non-existant health care systems. So you just go play WoW, we players with loyalty shall remain here.

Im sorry u still play on PS2... thats why unlike WOW they give many console options.... upgrade already....

I play and have always played on computer, that wasn't the point of the post, think about someone other then yourself. WoW also offers the ps2 option, so they can't be THAT advanced :o They probably don't have problems with the ps2 because WoW doesn't have the depth of content we oldschool players enjoy.

oh I diddent know wow was for ps2 ... XD sorry bout that

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I knew you would try to play that card. Fortunately the development staff of 14 had nothing to do with the server shut down. Their thinking was ass backward and have since been replaced by competent people.

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Im saying that a huge company like Square can sometimes have no idea wtf they are doing and make a horrible mistake that could have long standing effects on the entire company. They put out an important game in such a state that it has become a laughing stock. Which negates your argument.

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I really don't care how long they take to come back up.

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I wonder if the staff at SE or the families of those staff that are directly linked to these 2 games and that could lose their jobs due to a bad decision share your feelings on this.

As a bad example, lets say mcdonalds closed all there stores down nationwide as an act of sympathy for 9/11 for a month, (yes i know it's different but it's gives an idea). In that time the customers that frequent there had to goto burger king instead and gained a taste for that, to the point of prefering it. Then when Mcdonalds opened again the amount of customers dropped by 10-20% leading to widespread staff cuts, you think everyone including the mcdonalds staff would be so appreciative of the thought behind the store closures now?

Square have offices across the world, it's not some small fry games company. I don't think it's that far fetched to think something this important that makes as much money as it does could probably be run from one of them for a short while till things settle down again in Japan.

Played on ps2 also and moved on for sole reason of when SE was saying ps2 limitation this and that so I wouldn't be a person holding back any progress of content that could be added if wasn't for those limitation's.

All of which Japan has in place. But my mom works at wal-mart and when the police had a gunfight in their parking lot they DID lose all their revenue, at that same walmart when the power in our entire town went down for 2 weeks they shut the walmart down 6 hrs in because vital systems such as the fire department needed that energy. You obviously don't have a lot of real world experience points >.>

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Originally Posted by Meril

SE irrisponsibilty to plan correctly is not a direct reflection on Japans tragety..... were talking about SE, not Japan. U think if the power went out at walmart they would just lose all there revenue??????? no... thats why they have generators... and backup plans...

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Why are you wasting time here complaining about it if you're going to warcraft? Go. Have fun. Adios, byebye, ciao.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Im saying that a huge company like Square can sometimes have no idea wtf they are doing sometimes and make a horrible mistake that could have long standing effects on the entire company. They put out an important game in such a state that it has become a laughing stock. Which negates your argument.


I wonder if the staff at SE or the families of those staff that are directly linked to these 2 games and that could lose their jobs due to a bad decision share your feelings on this.

As a bad example, lets say mcdonalds closed all there stores down nationwide as an act of sympathy for 9/11 for a month, (yes i know it's different but it's gives an idea). In that time the customers that frequent there had to goto burger king instead and gained a taste for that, to the point of prefering it. Then when Mcdonalds opened again the amount of customers dropped by 10-20% leading to widespread staff cuts, you think everyone including the mcdonalds staff would be so appreciative of the thought behind the store closures now?

Square have offices across the world, it's not some small fry games company. I don't think it's that far fetched to think something this important that makes as much money as it does could probably be run from one of them for a short while till things settle down again in Japan.

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Only one problem here in no way is McDonalds tied to 9/11... However SE is tied to what is going on in Japan.

Honestly I have 1 suggestion for you please just quit the game!

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Originally Posted by Meril

SE irrisponsibilty to plan correctly is not a direct reflection on Japans tragety..... were talking about SE, not Japan. U think if the power went out at walmart they would just lose all there revenue??????? no... thats why they have generators... and backup plans...

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So they have a responibilty to you to make sure that, in case their people have to shut off power to save lives and so forth, you can still play a video game? I am trying to be understanding here but its getting harder and harder with these types of statements. Either way when the severs do come back up, 1-2 weeks or 2 months I don't care which, I will be there. Its your choice if you wanna be there or not.

Hmm... I wonder who owns SE?

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Honestly I have 1 suggestion for you please just quit the game!

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What does me quitting a game I enjoy have to do with what i'm talking about? If you can't understand the argument don't reply.

I don't even play FFXI right now and haven't for weeks, I still pay my sub and have never let it drop for the last 8 years though. This is about long term damage to a game I value, if this downtime is a lot longer than a week.

correct, ty runespider

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Originally Posted by Kindra

So they have a responibilty to you to make sure that, in case their people have to shut off power to save lives and so forth, you can still play a video game? I am trying to be understanding here but its getting harder and harder with these types of statements. Either way when the severs do come back up, 1-2 weeks or 2 months I don't care which, I will be there. Its your choice if you wanna be there or not.

Hmm... I wonder who owns SE?

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Totally agree and anyone who has heretofore not seen my signature my feelings about this game should be quite clear regarding my thoughts on when the servers should come back up. And to merill, I do not and have never lived in the 'ghetto' that stuff happens everywhere, if you weren't at home (i'm imagining your parents basement, either that or at college paid for by those parents whom you never lived in a ghetto or 'small town' with) playing video games which you're complaining about quitting on a forum designed for those games, maybe you would see some of it.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Im saying that a huge company like Square can sometimes have no idea wtf they are doing sometimes and make a horrible mistake that could have long standing effects on the entire company. They put out an important game in such a state that it has become a laughing stock. Which negates your argument.


I wonder if the staff at SE or the families of those staff that are directly linked to these 2 games and that could lose their jobs due to a bad decision share your feelings on this.

As a bad example, lets say mcdonalds closed all there stores down nationwide as an act of sympathy for 9/11 for a month, (yes i know it's different but it's gives an idea). In that time the customers that frequent there had to goto burger king instead and gained a taste for that, to the point of prefering it. Then when Mcdonalds opened again the amount of customers dropped by 10-20% leading to widespread staff cuts, you think everyone including the mcdonalds staff would be so appreciative of the thought behind the store closures now?

Square have offices across the world, it's not some small fry games company. I don't think it's that far fetched to think something this important that makes as much money as it does could probably be run from one of them for a short while till things settle down again in Japan.

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You forgot where i said SE isn't broke....I am pretty sure they are taking care of the companies family's and such.
And they are linked to the Income of 1 game. XIV isn't being charged to play.

And your right Mcdonalds was a bad example lol. I don't eat out much so i really don't care. And also 9/11 was a tragedy and if McDonalds decided to do that that then i would have supported that choice.

I also don't think this is as important as you do. I'm sorry but that's how i feel.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

What does me quitting a game I enjoy have to do with what i'm talking about? If you can't understand the argument don't reply.

I don't even play FFXI right now and haven't for weeks, I still pay my sub and have never let it drop for the last 8 years though. This is about long term damage to a game I value, if this downtime is a lot longer than a week.

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If it's down for more then a week then so be it and when the servers do come back online guess what the game will still be there your characters will still be there.

You do realize that the death toll is well over 10,000 and counting right? "A tide of up to 2,000 bodies washes up along the coast as millions struggle with quake's aftermath." is the current front page of most news pages. As important as the game being up may be the SE, I'm fairly certain that aside from saving power, these people need time to find and support their families, as well as grieve over the loss of their loved ones. You do not understand the situation clearly, so please stop offending the others that do.

"On the coastline of Miyagi prefecture, which took the full force of the tsunami, a Japanese police official said 1,000 bodies were found scattered across the coastline. Kyodo, the Japanese news agency, reported that 2,000 bodies washed up on two shorelines in Miyagi."


SO let me ask you, if you and your family had 2,000 bodies washing up into your back yard, would you have ANY mindset to play a game? Stop worrying about SE's finances, LET THEM do that. Have some heart and just wait it out like all of us are. It's much easier to wait for a game to come back up, than it is to find that your family and friends have died.
This is one of the worst natural disasters we have ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Kavik

Totally agree and anyone who has heretofore not seen my signature my feelings about this game should be quite clear regarding my thoughts on when the servers should come back up. And to merill, I do not and have never lived in the 'ghetto' that stuff happens everywhere, if you weren't at home (i'm imagining your parents basement, either that or at college paid for by those parents whom you never lived in a ghetto or 'small town' with) playing video games which you're complaining about quitting on a forum designed for those games, maybe you would see some of it.

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Nowai, he does not need FFXI. He has not played for 4 weeks! He's just here looking out for the rest of us. What a great guy....LOL:rolleyes:

A games company should have had a backup plan in case of a natural disaster? I forgot when MMOs were as important as things like Hospitals being maintained. XI is a declining game, face it. They aren't going to spend tons of cash on a backup server for a game with less than 500,000 subscribers. This is budgeting 101. Nor can they simply fly their servers to some other country, travel = energy, energy = low supply.
Also, stop pretending this is one of SE's largest sources of income, they make way way more from other games, anime and movies that they publish. If people quit within a week, they were probably going to quit anyway, they stated a long time ago that they would continue to release content for XI so long as people still played it.

The QQ corner is that way ->

Meril i get the impression that you really don't like XI anymore.

I have other things I can do. I'll keep my three accounts going. It's not a big deal. A week or a month or more, I'll still play when it comes back up. I'm sure most people will.

Stop being alarmist.

I do... I just want them to stop the PS2 limitations exuse and get the servers back up, the basic responsibilities of any multi-million dollar corperation. Before its lost

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Originally Posted by Meril

I do... I just want them to stop the PS2 limitations exuse and get the servers back up, the basic responsibilities of any multi-million dollar corperation. Before its lost

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Really lmao!!

They won't lose as many as some are thinking. Worrying about their money gain isn't helping anything though. They will do what they have to. I am sure that if they could have predicted this there would have been back up servers. But they didn't really have a fortune teller to do so. XI has been running how many years now and this is the first time the servers have had to be shutdown? Just take these things into consideration please. Not asking you to change how you feel just asking you to think about that point. No rush just think about it please. :)

Not said in anger. :)

there u go saying things like "idiot" ... is that really neccissary for you to make any kind of point? if you can read correctly there is an "and" btween the PS2 comment and servers. read plz then post

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Originally Posted by Meril

there u go saying things like "idiot" ... is that really neccissary for you to make any kind of point? if you can read correctly there is an "and" btween the PS2 comment and servers. read plz then post

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I wasn't trying to make any point just saying what your making yourself out to look like.

Exactly ... you havent been trying to make any point at all ... eccept to lash out and insult... anyone can do that...
The point I have REALLY been trying to make this whole time is that there need to be a separation between SE and Japan... SE provides service to UK australia canada mexico US China Korea ect..... there should have been a backup plan...
And there should be some sort of appropriate actions taking place soon or customers will get what they want somewhere else... I dont want to come back to an empty game, before the crash they were already talking about a MAJOR server merge, THis will indeffinatley make it worse

If you had even read the statement released by SE you would know they ARE NOT CHARGING YOU FOR APRIL. You have zero room for complaint since they won't be charging for services not rendered. And if the if the servers have to be offline longer than that then they most likey won't charge you for that either. SE is being considerate of YOUR pocket book at the expense of their own. They are well aware of what this could do in the long term. I suggest you just back off now because you started a fight you can't win.

One last thing, if SE had backup servers don't you think they would have used them multiple times by now rather then taking the game completely offline during server maintenance?

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Originally Posted by Meril

I do... I just want them to stop the PS2 limitations exuse and get the servers back up, the basic responsibilities of any multi-million dollar corperation. Before its lost

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isn't this a playstation and a mother nature issue rather than a SE issue?

you are talking about keeping the server alive so that there wont be a player loss, but wouldn't getting rid of the PS2 or not providing the same content for PS2 also cause a player loss form PS2 users? you are totally confused in any of your arguments

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Originally Posted by Meril

Exactly ... you havent been trying to make any point at all ... eccept to lash out and insult... anyone can do that...
The point I have REALLY been trying to make this whole time is that there need to be a separation between SE and Japan... SE provides service to UK australia canada mexico US China Korea ect..... there should have been a backup plan...
And there should be some sort of appropriate actions taking place soon or customers will get what they want somewhere else... I dont want to come back to an empty game, before the crash they were already talking about a MAJOR server merge, THis will indeffinatley make it worse

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Idiot was correct. You don't have a backup plan for a game that is already dying/declining. Secondary servers are expensive, XI doesn't make much profit, if anything it probably just makes enough to sustain the current servers, let alone backups. So you have no choice but to wait it out, QQing here changes nothing.

to answe your post
I would have rather paid my fee and played the game.
The lovely favor does not exuse there lack of responsibity to have a backup plan. end of.
AGAIN
this is NON Japan realted.
SE attack only

The server are location in japan which I very well pretty sure you are aware of and the fact that an major earthquake hit cause alot of damage isn't at all the issue. Could they have backup servers in different parts of the world sure maybe they will now that this happen to them. But at least have some compassion for japan right now there nothing they can do atm with the crisis going on over there. They sure didn't ask for an almost 9.0 earthquake to happen right off there shore line and have 3 nuclear powerplant meltdown explosions and radiation, fire's a tsunami hitting there coast no its all because of the ps2 limitations im sure...

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Originally Posted by Meril

And there should be some sort of appropriate actions taking place soon or customers will get what they want somewhere else... I dont want to come back to an empty game, before the crash they were already talking about a MAJOR server merge, THis will indeffinatley make it worse

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News just in from SE. They're sending SOLDIER and the turks out with Shin-ra executives to to sort Tokyo power company's ridiculous demands, and while they're at it they're borrowing Ellone Loire to transport SeeD troops back through time before the earthquake, to break into their own building to grab server backups and hightail it to the good old US of A where no natural disasters ever happen so they can have the game running for you with utterly minimal downtime.

...Would you like a moogle with that?

I have meade substantial donations to Japanese funds HOWEVER IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SQUARE ENIX! WAKE UP!

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Originally Posted by Meril

to answe your post
I would have rather paid my fee and played the game.
The lovely favor does not exuse there lack of responsibity to have a backup plan. end of.
AGAIN
this is NON Japan realted.
SE attack only

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The whole reason for your post is Japan related. If there was no earthquake you would not be bitching. So yeah it IS Japan related.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't SE a Japanese company? And isn't their home office in Japan?

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Originally Posted by Meril

You are the true idiot if you dont think there making $ off FFXI LOLOL ROFL
and I mean ALOT!

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After accounting for per server costs, a billing server, a support server, website, php hosting and GM staff, you're gonna be looking at around 1-1.5m$ for the servers/month, for a game with less than 500,000 subscribers. LOT OF PROFIT HERP DERP