None of these people get it honestly. They are the ones that go around telling people to STFU and /emo off yet if their particular job/weapon gets adjusted down they go off the fucking hinges. Like i said before cry me a fucking river who gives a damn I sure as hell don't and I have warrior its a minor adjustment to say the least.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 02:27 AMChriscoffey
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12-23-2011, 02:28 AMnewmonkeyDummy you say! You need to pick yours up mate you spat it out over a tiny little ukkos fury nerf whcih anyone with half a brain cell seen coming a long time ago.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 02:30 AMnewmonkeyVery well said Chris.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 02:31 AMtyrantsyn
I don't like these suggested adjustment. They are not what we were told was going to happen month's ago. And i'm having a hard time finding the word's fun and enjoyment going hand in hand with balance. If this is what getting taking away from us, wth are we getting in return? Wheres the supposed ability to change weapon damage type on the fly? If that idea was abandon can we at least get one of those niffy "At the moment we have no plans to go forward with said idea or we can't find a balance way to implement this idea at this time? I mean why are you just throwing nerfs at us. There's nothing fun or enjoyable about nerf's. It just makes ppl frustrated and upset. Is balance going to pay the bills or a happy player base?
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12-23-2011, 02:34 AMFrankReynoldsNo, I was comparing you with a stupid animal, and it fit perfectly.Quote:
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I don't have Ukkon, or even 99 war. Figure out who your mad at, and be happy when SE nerfs that guy specifically. Don't go wishing ill will on a group of people much larger than the group that caused your horribly misguided anger in the first place.
Every job has at some point or another received some sort of a nerf, and every time it happens, there are thousands of people who are sad and / or angry about it, and a few confused dumb-asses who are happy because that's the job that some guy they don't like plays. You get no victory. Whatever job you prefer over war is still exactly the same as it was before. Try coming up with a way to get them to buff your job. I may want to play that job some day too, and your not helping your cause here. -
12-23-2011, 02:35 AMnewmonkeyYou big fool for every little cry baby war there is a handfull of other jobs happy about it, deal with it move on.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 02:39 AMNeisan_QuetzNot once have I said I don't think relics deserved buffs, in fact you haven't noticed SE HAS been giving relic buffs... What you should be asking for is buffs to weaker relic WS and better aftermaths. All nerfs are going to do is bring everyone down, not up.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 02:40 AMFrankReynoldsWHen logic fails, get the thread locked. Good job.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 02:43 AMCursed
How retarded are the people supporting nerfs, instead of arguing for buffs?
When your Camry (the car) gets its ass beat by a Porsche (another car) you don't write a letter to Porsche and say "you design nice cars, I want you to stop it because my peice of shit Camry can't keep up"
what are you kids smoking... where are your parents, srsly I wanna have a word with them, wtf are they teaching you?
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12-23-2011, 02:45 AMnewmonkey
Logic you say were is your logic to think that ukons ws was not hugely overpowered. I don't agree with the bloodrage nerf at all that is just stupid but the ws was way way way overpowered and from what people have said its only been nerfed by 9%.
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12-23-2011, 02:48 AMldavion
I have been plating FFXI from it was released in NA, i have two caracters, one of which i leveled 9 jobs to include war must agree, nothing much have been done for that job for several updates now. Second i have BST is one of my favorite jobs in this game that job has always been on the crappy list of updates, SE interfuce new pets and new weapon skill, which are useless. i have a EMP axe that was not worth the time unlocking because i could buy an axe on AH the does the same thing. i am not a big fan of the fancy stuff but if you are going to create something that one has to work hard for in the game then least u can do is make it worth the players time. and if u are going to create new pets here is a hint, when you have dipper which is lower that gooey ot he new turtle u interduce in the last update. make the new pet stronger.
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12-23-2011, 03:10 AMStaren
Do relics deserve buffs? Yes. Are relics easy to get now? Yes. I hope they do buff and balance them out with Empys. I think they should really rethink Relics/Mythics/Empys and make it so each job has a fair balanced choice in all of them. I've been saying since day 1 SE never thought about mages with they made relics or empyreans. So yeah SE's screwed up and Relics should be reasonably compared to empys and last i checked there were still a few relics that beat empys. Arguing over relics and empys in this thread is not the issue. SE's needed to balance relic/empys/mythics for a while. The real issue here is SE is screwing over the populace in general by lowering the dps we can put out. This isn't going to fix any of the crappy jobs and its not going to make the fights more enjoyable. So what is there to enjoy out of this other than the schadenfreude of it. If you're here getting off on that good for you God bless and enjoy your life whose existence hangs off the misery of a group of people and in the end the collective as a whole. But for those of us who have created a world that is usable post abyssea we do not want to go back to helping gimps who hit macro's get gear in linkshells and SE needs to realize trying to force us back into that is going to force us out of the game. Trying to remove our ability to lowman is not making the game more fun or making people want to play more. This is a no win situation.
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12-23-2011, 03:27 AMMorierWhere is your relic then?Quote:
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12-23-2011, 04:00 AMRoheliusSo I make good valid points and that's how you respond? Profane name calling? Are you a kid, really?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
Its like talking to a 5 year old who covers his ears screamming "your a cow!!" In response.
Hey why don't you add your little comment to that funny sig of yours, because "it fits perfectly."
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12-23-2011, 04:08 AMStarenThey're in the 300 million gil worth of alexandrite on our mule from all the currency we've sold to fund a mythic because why go for an easy relic when mythics still have status. Seriously lol beasts can solo relics in 3 months without breaking a sweat. I do dyna with 3 ppl and make 350-500 coins a run its not that hard.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 04:09 AMCursedAgreed. The amount of Aegis's has at least tripled in the last 6 months.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 04:20 AMMorierWhere is your relic then?Quote:
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12-23-2011, 04:24 AMStarenAgain are you retarded? 300 million gil = 2 relics worth of farming. Mythics cost 450 million to 600 million gil which we will have finished in the next month to two months. For someone who has every job 95+ and 2 empy's you really come off as slow did you abby burn them and rely on an ls to build them? Anyone with a bit of sense and ability to play this game knows what I meant when I said that. I could have bought two relics at this point and we're only 2/3 of the way done with alexandrite. If I wanted a relic I'd have two. I care more about the mythic at this point that doesnt mean the relics any harder to get just because I'm choosing a MUCH HARDER weapon to build than the relic your anal retentive focus has latched on to. Seriously did school let out early this year?Quote:
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12-23-2011, 05:12 AMtyrantsynI'm here posting my displeasure for the nerf. Not to feed little sorry trolls that need someone to argue with them. If you like the nerf so much go make a thread for it and just go away.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 05:16 AMFrankReynoldsStop acting like a crab in a pot if you don't want to be compared to one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rohelius
You didn't make good valid points. You tried to ignore the point that was demonstrated by the analogy and instead focus on the animal in it. I simply followed your lead.
I didn't call you a crab. I made a comparison between your behavior and that of a crabs. There was no name calling (unless you are in fact a crab. I did call crabs stupid.). The moral of that story is that if crabs are dumb for wanting to screw each other over instead of working together, and you want to screw everyone over then....ah never mind, I know you figured it out the first time. sorry for hurting your feelings.
As far as playing war, I have it leveled on another character that I don't play anymore and NOT playing it is a major factor in why I think nerfs are bad. I am not that happy about how several of the jobs that I do play are performing. Nerfing war instead of Buffing those jobs actually means that I'm getting screwed just like the Wars. No winners. Everyone loses. -
12-23-2011, 05:51 AMRoheliusCrab analogy? What's with you and food really lol?Quote:
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I said I was done with you so stop trying to come out on top, there's no higher ground after you call someone a stupid animal keep lowering yourself and talking out the side of your mouth.
What your basically saying is that everything should be overpowered. That's not good game design if that's the case then let's give every job Tachi: Shoha like weapon skills since clearly there's nothing wrong with it if i use your logic, and its the other jobs that need to be doing 7k ws every minute.
What YOU don't understand is that nobody is having trouble understanding your stupid analogys captain obvious.
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12-23-2011, 06:09 AMMorierSo again, where is your relic?Quote:
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12-23-2011, 06:09 AMFrankReynoldsFirst I lol'ed.... then...Quote:
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There already tons of WS that can do 7k damage in the situation that that screenshot your referring to was taken in. You don't even know why your mad at wars sams and monks. Your just like: "Someone should have to pay!!!!"
Oh, and you know I was describing living breathing crabs right? Not like boiled cracked crab dipped in butter. Maybe you should go eat something and then come back and re-read the analogy. It was pretty simple. Everyone else understood it. -
12-23-2011, 06:38 AMRohelius
I'm a warrior and mnk why would I be mad at my jobs?
You keep saying I'm mad and angry but I'm really not and I don't need to type "lol" in my sentences to make you angry.
Please just shut up kid your just making baseless asumptions at this point.
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12-23-2011, 06:52 AMKimble
Honestly...
When relic holders were crying about emps being better than relics, the reason they were being told to STFU because you know what they were doing?
"waaah, emps are to strong, make then weaker so my relic is top!"
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12-23-2011, 07:14 AMRohelius
Well that's a good point kimble, but a empy is just so much more easy to obtain then relic.
Relic will be around 150m and 3-4 months of hardcore investment of time.
Mithics a lot more gil then relic 400m+..? And a lot of time too.
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12-23-2011, 07:50 AMFrankReynoldsyou posted this:Quote:
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and then felt disrespected because the response was not positive. I don't really know why you would say things like that about your own jobs either. So far the summary of my argument has been that nerfs are bad and that they should at least finish buffing other jobs before they even consider nerfs. So far your argument has been that I said crab. As far as the kid thing goes. Think hard about how old this game is and ask yourself what the odds are that anyone still playing it is actually a kid.Quote:
OH no now that i'm nerfed it will take my Warrior and my mule White Mage 15 minutes instead of 10 to kill everything and their parents in Abyssea!!!!!
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12-23-2011, 08:05 AMRohelius
There's this little thing we adults use sometimes called sarcasm, its like a funny way of saying things will be okay when used in that context.
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12-23-2011, 08:06 AMKimble
Talking down to people generally doesn't help anything you are trying to say.
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12-23-2011, 08:14 AMStarenPlease make your point instead of trolling else if you are a troll God bless and keep looking like an idiot. I don't know where you get off thinking a relic is hard. But then again there are people who think empyreans are serious business to get too.Quote:
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12-23-2011, 08:34 AMFrankReynoldsI caught the sarcasm. I also caught that it was an attempt to distract from your lack of any actual argument and that the reason you keep using it is because you are wrong. You came in here to tell everyone that they don't deserve what they have, and that you are glad that some of it is being taken away. All the sarcasm in the world isn't gonna fix that. SE should be looking at adding all the features and tweaks they claimed to have in the pipe instead of worrying about nerfing jobs. The current power of war monk sam w/e isn't allowing players to beat anything that they couldn't beat without them. There is still plenty of time for them to gear new events / updates toward powerful jobs, instead of gearing jobs towards the event.Quote:
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Nerfing jobs takes away from peoples enjoyment who play those jobs. It doesn't actually make any other job any better, and it doesn't make anything in the game any harder. There's nothing in the game right now where winning hinges on the things they are messing with. They could easily scale difficulty of new content to fit the current power level of war etc. without nerfing it. -
12-23-2011, 08:51 AMkingfury
So feedback... uhh... No Thanks. Bad idea. Try something better. Add more damaging power to other weak weapon skills instead. Don't move forward with this bad idea. Have another meeting and suggest something more intuitive. Stop trying to make the player's abilities/weapon skills weaker instead of stronger for LVL friggin 99.... Aaannnndd, I think that about covers it... Yeah.
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12-23-2011, 11:51 AMMorierI never said it was hard at all. Blind speculation and assumptions are fun.Where is your relic again?Quote:
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12-23-2011, 12:20 PMStaren
Where's your lvl 100 woodworking or unlocked synergy? I mean if we're going to make random arguments I don't have a relic, if I needed one I'd make one in a month or two. I'm done feeding the troll though you can keep fixating on this but if you cant see the fact that farming 300 million gil is just as much as making 2 relics I can't help you. It's easy to make blind speculations about you when you're unable to hold discourse and are a broken record I'd not be surprised if you're still in high school and have nothing better to do with your life. Also I'll point out you've still managed to avoid making any point to validate your existence in this thread.
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12-23-2011, 12:23 PMRoheliusThe argument is that it's a minor nerf that wont change much what war can do. And like i said before, If you had warrior invested half as much as a main warrior maybe you would know this by now. get it?Quote:
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I said they don't deserve what they have? When did i say that? Please don't start putting words into my mouth just to justify your own misplaced sense of self righteousness towards the nerfing issue.Quote:
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1- I said it wont affect warrior a whole lot, get that thru your thick head already...
2- I also said to those who keep asking the community to be behind them to stop being hypocrites (why?) because they never complained about the other jobs nerfs and lack of balance with them until the nerf bat hit them.
Oh i don't know about that, at first i thought the sky was falling like you. But then i read how the nerf was gonna affect my warrior job ability that is only up for 30 seconds and i let out a sigh of relief since Ukkos is not gonna suddenly become useless and do 2k dmg only.Quote:
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Yes they should, but those things they said they would add still wouldn't make them come close to the warrior and monk output, Its not like they read the forums and say "hey that's a good idea lets give everyone what they ask for on their respective job forums that will bring balance!.Quote:
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Wait you have been to Abyssea right?Quote:
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Warrior = Procs for Zone Boss pop KI, Empyrian weapon NM pop KI, Atmas that's not in demand right?
Warrior will still be needed for all of the above no matter what little nerf it gets, and will duo it all with a whm still!
Monk= Give me a DPS and my monk can destroy it, simple as that. VS i hate to see nerffed really because as monk i haven't seen many things come our way other then our DPS and a 2hr that kicks ass lvl 1-99.
I'm going to quote someone else in a past comment "I don't want to play Warrior and monk Fantasy 11..."Quote:
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Cpt. Obvious strikes again! Yes, it does i agree but it was to be expected just like EVERYONE knew the haste cap was gonna be nerffed for the Dark Knights 30 seconds of fame, If they go back on this then dammit i want my 93.3% haste back. Would you support me on that too?Quote:
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Cpt. Obvious!Quote:
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That's what i have been trying to tell you...........................................................................Quote:
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Yeah they could do that if they wanted to force everyone to take warrior to every event as opposed to idk every other DD in the game.....Quote:
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12-23-2011, 12:29 PMKimble
Actually, if you are getting any kind of haste, Hundred fists is very lack luster.
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12-23-2011, 12:53 PMVold
You know everytime I think of the latest nerf whether it be merit WSs or Empyrean WSs or restraint or blood rage or other JAs or VW or VW drop rates or lv95/99 requirements for weapons and so on, I can't help but think that if they knew they could get away with it without a massive exodus of players, they'd probably include this video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ with each announcement and like probably half of you already know what you're going to see by clicking that link but that's okay because you and the other 50% will agree that yeah, yeah what I'm saying is pretty flipping true.
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12-23-2011, 02:07 PMFrankReynoldsWrong. It won't change what players can do. It will change what war can do. The same can be said of you though. If they remove you from the game, Everyone else can still beat all the new VNMs, so I guess it's cool if they remove you right? Sounds good.Quote:
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Hmmm, this sounds a lot like a bitter guy who thinks other people shouldn't have his toys:
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Since it won't affect them a whole lot, I guess the point is just to piss them off?Quote:
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You've been following me since 2005 and checking up on my opinions of previous nerfs? I feel so flattered. Oh wait, you were just venting your misguided rage on unsuspecting bystanders. I'm sorry you felt all alone like nobody cared when other jobs got nerfed. Trust me. Lots of people didn't like it.Quote:
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Yes, you went: "wait this is more of a nerf to my party than me? ok it's fine.". This is either a nerf that will limit the damage and affect warriors performance to the point that it will be a benefit to other jobs, or it is not a nerf at all and thus should not be done at all. make up your mind. You keep saying people are crying over nothing, but really it's one of two things.Quote:
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A) this nerf doesn't do much, and therefore shouldn't be done.
B) this nerf changes a lot, and therefore is in fact a very bad thing for the people it affects.
In either case, its not going to change other peoples enjoyment of the game. Only people who play war monk and pup, so advocating it is really just announcing your intentions to be a jerk.
Other jobs have other reasons to be included in things. War is a DD. They should be making content that requires more than just war. not nerfing war.Quote:
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You obviously misunderstood that. I can do all of those things without a war or a monk. By nerfing war and monk, I can stiill do all that crap, just with crappier wars and monks. who does that help?Quote:
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The only way that there will ever be more than a couple popular jobs is if they diversify content so that it requires different jobs for different events, and each event has equal work / reward values, and the gear from each event is equally necessary. As long as the best gear comes from voidwatch, the job that does the best damage will always be the most popular. Making war and monk suck would just turn it into sam fantasy or w/e job is best after they nerf that (they won't).Quote:
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I don't know if they could actually remove the haste cap again with the current spells and gear in the game. But they certainly could have made a change that gave a similar boost in damage. I would love to see dark do better. dark used to be a really cool job, and it has lost some of it's appeal for me lately. It could use some love.Quote:
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Again, you seem to agree that a nerf is pointless, but you insist that your not just advocating it to be a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rohelius
Or they could give other DDS other reasons for being there, like abilities that help them and the war do more damage, or keep others from getting raped, who knows. Its not my job to think of that crap. I pay them to think of it. Which is why I'm pissed when they throw up their hands and go "Aw screw it, I got nothing. Lets just nerf war and go get some sake.".Quote:
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12-23-2011, 02:26 PMRohelius
Your post needs some editing and you're being repetitive now...
That's it i'm done with you and your useless nonsense so take the next 3 pages to post what ever you want in response to me because i am not coming back to read it.
There is no point to talking to someone about a job he apparently doesn't know about.
Go level warrior or just go back to the THF forums and QQ some more about DNC out damaging you...
Oh and have a nice life MR. Crab cakes~ -
12-23-2011, 03:31 PMNalaYou already said this once before, yet here you are still.Quote:
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here's the thing, no one else is getting cure V, lolrdm melee, sweet tier IV nu... nvm, everything resists enfeebles and oh btw whm you can have addle while we're at it.
mean while drk's getting scarlet delirium (yeah think the devs were delirious when they thought this one up) and despite the requests for better scythe ws's hello entropy!~
Thf has a whole slew of job abilities that dont really do anything any more, and they've invalidated thier own argument for giving thief subtle blow on the premise that TH is OP, maybe if it boosted lights beyond the cap including the cell bonus not that capping lights has proven to do much for VW drop rates in the first place.
DNC a job severly limited by tp gain and should not have to share timers on all their healing waltz's
hell the emity system still hasnt been touched since level 75 yet due to new abilities, gear, weapon skills and higher levels we have damage inflation... oh wait i got the solution lets "balance" everything so that we do the same damage we did at 75, emity problem solved (for gods sake please dont)
oh hey they finally added new bullets, guess what cor got shafted, the second they finally get around to those salvage gear upgrades O. ingots are going to inflate again. (they are still going to do this right its been how long since they said they would? not to mention they seem to be back pedaling on alot of their promises lately)
point is there are alot of things that need to be "balanced" before they go about nerfing over powered jobs, further more back during the 75 days once they wielded the nerf kraken club (occationally only nerfs once) they get on a roll.
with the recent announcement that abyssea was a epic fail (from dev team stand point) you can expect that they are going to start rolling back alot of things added since. aka your f'n retarded for encouraging them.