Post your BLU builds

That's well known? Really? Because you're the first person to ever base these accusations. Not sure why you constantly feel the need to stir the shit pot, but it gets old real fast.

Few points:

A) I don't see any direct or indirect insults in there, unless you're referring to the people who can't read being stupid, which would be accurate in a by-the-dictionary definition.

B) I don't see the section in my guide that specifies not casting a Diffused Haste or some such at some point during a lowman fight, or curing someone in low HP in an emergency. However, I also don't go out of my way to tell people to waste their MP and time casting spells that other people should be doing, as it's their job, in events with more than 3~4 people, or when the extra cures are necessary.

C) Have I mentioned how hilarious it is that you think I'd bother editing my guide and putting in extraneous sections just to appease you or attempt to prove you wrong?

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B) I don't see the section in my guide that specifies not casting a Diffused Haste or some such at some point during a lowman fight, or curing someone in low HP in an emergency. However, I also don't go out of my way to tell people to waste their MP and time casting spells that other people should be doing, as it's their job, in events with more than 3~4 people, or when the extra cures are necessary.

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Pretty much proves exactly what I said. If I wanted pure damage I wouldn't be bringing a BLU and instead would bring one of the more specialized jobs. Thus if a BLU is in a group their there for a combination of damage and support, refusing to do support functions just goes to show your really just playing a gimp sword wielding WAR.

Funny thing is I didn't insult you guide one bit, it's an excellent piece of work and should anyone ever have questions on how to most effectively inflict grievous damage onto something I would gladly point them in your direction. My only qualm is that you were arrogant enough to claim it as the "definitive" guide yet as you've so proudly demonstrated you disagree with everything remotely related to the support functions of BLU. This means any guide you write would be missing those aspects and thus not be definitive.

Now should you swallow your pride and actually write in healing and support sections under roles and how to best utilize those abilities, well It would be a start.

Seriously though ... how can you dismiss a 36mp erasega on a low recast timer. That alone gives BLU's immense potential. Toss on Fruit / W.Wind with a corresponding cure sub / gear set and it's pretty impressive the amount of damage AND healing / support that can be put out.

That's where you're wrong, you did insult both my guide and myself by insinuating that I'm ignoring or speaking out against playing the job properly. YOu then go on to sya that I added in parts and sections of it after you "call me out"? Really? Do you think that highly of yourself? You're the last person I'd ever consider doing anything for, let alone changing my guide to make it look like I was right in your eyes/after you've said something about me.

That guide's been fundamentally the same since day one, and the sections and bits and pieces of it have all been in place since its inception save the parts I mentioned earlier. If you think otherwise, you can go ahead and... well, I don't want this post deleted, so use your imagination, you're already doing that plenty already.

Putting words into my mouth, attempting to steer people away from my guide because "HE SEZ NOT TO UZE HEALZ END CURE" and shit? Belitting my work and attempting to say that it isn't complete? That's fucked up.

Why did you do it? Beats me. You didn't have any provocation, just did it.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

Why did you do it? Beats me. You didn't have any provocation, just did it.

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There've been no posts in the DRK section for a couple of days now, so he went looking for active posts to troll.

Prothscar: 3
Saevel: 0

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Originally Posted by saevel

Pretty much proves exactly what I said. If I wanted pure damage I wouldn't be bringing a BLU and instead would bring one of the more specialized jobs. Thus if a BLU is in a group their there for a combination of damage and support, refusing to do support functions just goes to show your really just playing a gimp sword wielding WAR.

Funny thing is I didn't insult you guide one bit, it's an excellent piece of work and should anyone ever have questions on how to most effectively inflict grievous damage onto something I would gladly point them in your direction. My only qualm is that you were arrogant enough to claim it as the "definitive" guide yet as you've so proudly demonstrated you disagree with everything remotely related to the support functions of BLU. This means any guide you write would be missing those aspects and thus not be definitive.

Now should you swallow your pride and actually write in healing and support sections under roles and how to best utilize those abilities, well It would be a start.

Seriously though ... how can you dismiss a 36mp erasega on a low recast timer. That alone gives BLU's immense potential. Toss on Fruit / W.Wind with a corresponding cure sub / gear set and it's pretty impressive the amount of damage AND healing / support that can be put out.

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I don't always back Prothscar, but when I do, its because he's f*cking right and a RDM thinks he knows something about BLU.

What Prothscar is getting at is yes a BLU should be ready to fill the role that is needed meaning if a dude is bleeding out his face, you don't just let him die, you throw a Moon Hug at him (WTF is dis shit about fruits? This isn't 2009 anymore bro) but a DD BLU isn't going to gimp his over all DPS just because people think he needs to main cure or even sub cure on BLU. The job is meant to facilitate other roles in a pinch depending on your set up, While I don't condone it and often look down upon it, there are those main Cure BLU's, Nuking BLU's, and those that try to make a Hybrid of Nuking and Physical, but as a physical BLU, I can tell you right now, I'm not going to go blow my limited MP on doing someone else's job. Which I'm assuming is what Prothscar is getting at, if your a BLU and you got a WHM, your going to let him cure and not waste your MP because I can't stress enough, it is limited in comparison to other mage jobs. If you want to be an affective DD, you don't do every role, you focus your role to what you chose to do. Being a little bit of everything makes you worthless because there is always a class that will do it better, AKA RDM's Dilemma.

What I believe Prothscar is trying to say, is that if you have other jobs that have a certain role, and the mobs act in a certain way, chances are, you used that thing called party chat, and discuss whats on the up and up so your not having spells that are really going to be just over all worthless to the party and waste your spells slots. The over all goal of what he is trying to say is how to conduct the most efficient BLU more so than the fix-it-all BLU that some people might think the job is. You can ask Prothscar we bump heads on a lot of shit, but there is also quiet alot I agree with the man, and I'll be first to say this is one top notch BLU so if your going to sht the f**k up sit down and listen to anyone I would say this is one dude to do so. Because it sounds like you need alot to listen to if those are your thoughts on BLU Saevel.

-Scuro, Out!

The general spells I use for blu is:

Sudden Lunge
Delta Thrust
Benthic Typhoon
Actinic Burst
Winds of Promy.
Magic Barrier
Animating Wail
Acrid Stream
Demoralizing Roar
Empty Thrash
Quadrastrike
Heavy Strike
(Auto-Refresh/Triple Att./SC bonus)
......the rest is just random spells after that.

Merits:
MP 15/15
Blue Magic 8/8
STR 12/12
Crit. Rate 5/5
Phy. Potency 5/5
Magic Acc. 5/5
Assimilation 5/5
Diffusion 5/5

Im still playing on the builds.

I've been messing around with various spells, trying to get the max +STR as possible.

Then I took out some of the ones that either gave less STR, or added nothing useful in the way of traits or spells that might be used and added a couple to make traits. Then I realised I didn't have haste or refresh set, so removed a couple more to set them. I've mainly been using BLU for low-man or soloing, so some spells are situational... can remove sleep and dispel when doing group events, for eg.

Here's what I came up with:

Auto-Refresh:
Plasma Charge
Actinic Burst

Conserve MP:
Firespit STR +3
Zephyr Mantle (added for trait and usefulness)

Zanshin:
Final Sting (added for trait)
Whirl of Rage STR +2

Double Attack:
Heavy Strike STR +2
Empty Thrash STR +3

Skillchain Bonus:
Quadrastrike STR +3
Benthic Typhoon STR +2
Goblin Rush (added just for Light SC)

Store TP:
Fantod (added for trait and possible usefulness)
Sudden Lunge (added for stun)

No traits:
Plenuline Embrace STR +2
Triumphant Roar STR +3
Animating Wail
Battery Charge
Pinecomb Bomb STR +1 (added mainly for sleep, but just read that it's based on R. Acc... time to skill throwing!)
Blank Gaze (added for dispel)

You're missing some pretty big Job Traits, namely Dual Wield III and Triple Attack. Those two alone will outweigh any boost from additional STR you get. DW also gives you animated wail which is your +15% 5m haste. For your Auto-Refresh it's a choice between PC and WoP. PC has better +stats but WoP is a cheap erase-ga, not only removes the detrimental status effect (Slow / Bind / def-down / attack-down / gravity / ect..) but also anyone near you.

It's also my understanding that Zanshin doesn't work if your dual wielding, so kinda a useless job trait for BLU.

I don't get where this Zanshin doesn't work when dual wielding came from, I've never seen this info anywhere. I've seen that it doesn't work on a double attack but double attack is not dual wield.

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Originally Posted by saevel

You're missing some pretty big Job Traits, namely Dual Wield III and Triple Attack. Those two alone will outweigh any boost from additional STR you get. DW also gives you animated wail which is your +15% 5m haste. For your Auto-Refresh it's a choice between PC and WoP. PC has better +stats but WoP is a cheap erase-ga, not only removes the detrimental status effect (Slow / Bind / def-down / attack-down / gravity / ect..) but also anyone near you.

It's also my understanding that Zanshin doesn't work if your dual wielding, so kinda a useless job trait for BLU.

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You maybe confusing zanshin with hasso/seigan. They only work for 2H weapons. There is unconfirmed info on wiki that it doesn't work for H2H, but no mention of dual wielding. It's easy enough to test though, I just need something with high eva to test it on.

As for the missing traits, it really depends what sub I'm using. DW3 and triple attack are particularly useful if you're /war in a group situation and just going for all-out DD. For solo/low-man I usually /dnc, so I have DW 2 already, and there's not a massive jump between 7% DA and 5% TA (especially if Zanshin does work with DW). This spell set is based upon /DNC.

I was mainly just playing about with different set to see what was achievable with JTs while trying to get as much STR as possible. This gives +22 STR.

It isn't unconfirmed, people just don't know how to source properly. Effectively H2H and DW function in the same manner as well, so even if the test was done for just one of them it would be within reasonable levels of confidence that it's true for both.

Well, I'll test it anyway. I suppose that I shouldn't be shocked to find SE gave BLU a trait that's not worth using. BG wiki doesn't even mention it not proccing on H2H or DW either.