Since no one seems to have posted yet: Final LB fight

Personally, I wish the limit break 99 quest would have involved a battle with an NPC who has more of an established reputation in FFXI. Instead, they have you fight Atori-Tutori, Black Belt Quest NPC & Lv90 to 95 quest. To be honest, would have been neat to beat the living hearts and stars out of a Magian Moogle.

Absolutely stupid idea and proof SE knows nothing about their game.

I can see it now, people will find a easy way to do with with certain jobs, and if you don't have that job and a good LS good luck.

Why do they keep doing stupid things.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

Absolutely stupid idea and proof SE knows nothing about their game.

I can see it now, people will find a easy way to do with with certain jobs, and if you don't have that job and a good LS good luck.

Why do they keep doing stupid things.

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That's why there's a test server. If people weren't so quick to skip right to new max level and such and just overall treat everything more like a preview than testing then we might not get so called stupid things more often.

Also, I don't even know why that person(or I guess that person hangs around these parks so I'll just call them Crawler) in the video said "PLD is a must" because it looks like that PLD got bleeping dropped faster than Paper Mike Tyson. So I'm going to presume that NIN(or I guess PLD so long as it doesn't tank HF) + THF is going to be the way to go for PD tanking HF unless that encounter becomes vastly easier in the live version. Or any number of set ups really, like SMN PTs. I can't imagine they would restrict so many jobs on this LB quest though so I expect it to adjust itself somehow. For all we know HF isn't a sure thing and can be avoided entirely.

All I know is if nothing else, congrats RDMs and THFs, your spells and PD is now extremely useful.

I went into this fight solo. Didn't raise my level cap since the test came out, actually because I wanted to test the limit cap fight.

He hits very hard and very fast. Unless you have Ochain you will most likely die from his normal hits, unless you take 3 whms or something. His Asuran Fists do a ton of damage as well. Even if you do have ochain you probably want whm rdm brd, or whm whm brd, and 3 melee.

He does have an enfire effect during hundred fists so barspells and carols probably would be needed.

I don't think you could use something a thf they would die even before you got that far he gets in a few hits on you pretty much dead, not to mention you wouldn't keep hate vs other people in your party and they would die.

I can just imagine all the people spamming the BC on patch day when this comes out. Its going to suck horribly. People will be complaining about how the JPs keep getting the claim on the BC.

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Originally Posted by Vold

That's why there's a test server. If people weren't so quick to skip right to new max level and such and just overall treat everything more like a preview than testing then we might not get so called stupid things more often.

Also, I don't even know why that person(or I guess that person hangs around these parks so I'll just call them Crawler) in the video said "PLD is a must" because it looks like that PLD got bleeping dropped faster than Paper Mike Tyson. So I'm going to presume that NIN(or I guess PLD so long as it doesn't tank HF) + THF is going to be the way to go for PD tanking HF unless that encounter becomes vastly easier in the live version. Or any number of set ups really, like SMN PTs. I can't imagine they would restrict so many jobs on this LB quest though so I expect it to adjust itself somehow. For all we know HF isn't a sure thing and can be avoided entirely.

All I know is if nothing else, congrats RDMs and THFs, your spells and PD is now extremely useful.

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I just saw a JP BST soloed it on Youtube, it's soloable, go to youtube and search for BST solo lv 99 limit break quest. And PLD is not a must.

Yeah, Ninja is not tanking it, well mine isn't anyways.
Maybe with physical damage reduction gear? And tons of crippling the accuracy and movements of it, though, as I mentioned, slow, paralyze, blind from my Ninja didn't hep much, if at all, lol, and then, if there was more than one bouncing hate.

Either way, I also am quite disappointed if this is all there is to it.
It should be like Maat in disguise or something (note the ??? in the name). There is all in all something iffy about this, in my opinion... I sort of little get it, if it's meant to prove you can play with others, and maybe use some tactics? But really, I don't know...

But what I came here to mention now, was not that. I think I did not see anyone mention it yet, but it's 10 Merit Points to get to try the fight again. ^^;
Or the moogle says: "Atori-Tutori made me promise to exact a payment of 10 merit points or 5 ." what ever that means. I didn't look if it did take 10 of them or what, also a typo there with the blank space.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

I hate how far mercing has come but yeah that is exactly what will happen, a solid group will sell spots and make a killing when the servers come back up after they add this. They should make it so you can only enter once for a month or two at least, then ease the fight up for the ones that can't beat it.

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Then the ones who can't beat it will never get help, and unable to get help even if they're willing to pay for it.

Nothing wrong with selling spots and offers options for those with no helpful LS/friends, or do you enjoy CoP pre lv cap increase and takes 100 years to get help to clear certain mission?

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Originally Posted by Afania

Then the ones who can't beat it will never get help, and unable to get help even if they're willing to pay for it.

Nothing wrong with selling spots and offers options for those with no helpful LS/friends, or do you enjoy CoP pre lv cap increase and takes 100 years to get help to clear certain mission?

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Out leveling it with level 99s would make the fight trivial. If you can get level 99s to come.

so yay. they took away video posting ...

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Absolutely stupid idea and proof SE knows nothing about their game.

I can see it now, people will find a easy way to do with with certain jobs, and if you don't have that job and a good LS good luck.

Why do they keep doing stupid things.

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They know the gimiks people will use so hopefully they throught ahead and made it so you can't do those things. Perfect defense, CS stun etc (block all 2 hours would be a good start). I really do hope they find a way to stop people mercing the fight too.

I don't see a problem with people being stuck on this fight for a while, thats the whole idea of a limit break. Test of skill at playing your job in a party.

Heavily doubt you can't use any of those when Para 1 is landing on him.

Pretty sure it was already mentioned stun works on him too.

if people on the test server could wing it and do it with three then there's room for whatever job to come.

You definitely need to bring a way to deal with 100 fists (or have a dot on it and reraise...) but outside of that it doesn't seem that bad.

With all the talk of invincible and perfect dodge, I'm surprised nobody has mention perfect defense (unless I missed it)

SMN WHM BRD, 3 DD of your choice. What's hard about this fight now?

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

With all the talk of invincible and perfect dodge, I'm surprised nobody has mention perfect defense (unless I missed it)

SMN WHM BRD, 3 DD of your choice. What's hard about this fight now?

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You can't do the fight without a real tank. Asuran does like 1k-1.5k damage to a non paladin, his normal hits are like 300 damage each.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Seems like Invincible or Sentinel would really help during Hundred Fists.

Other than that, Looked like the fight wasn't too bad, with a Real healer like WHM, or something, Shouldn't be hard to accomplish.

Looks good. Looks very good.

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You know that PLD has an Ochain, right?

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Originally Posted by Vold

Also, I don't even know why that person(or I guess that person hangs around these parks so I'll just call them Crawler) in the video said "PLD is a must" because it looks like that PLD got bleeping dropped faster than Paper Mike Tyson. So I'm going to presume that NIN(or I guess PLD so long as it doesn't tank HF) + THF is going to be the way to go for PD tanking HF unless that encounter becomes vastly easier in the live version.

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If Asuran Fists doesn't get you, Hundred Fists probably would.

Couldnt you just /thf and flee when he does HF?

To be fair, Perfect Dodge would be much, much better for handling Hundred Fists than Invincible, since as several people have mentioned it's the Enfire that murders you so Invincible wouldn't have saved the PLD in that video. However, A-T really seems to favor Asuran Fists so blink-tanking, while perhaps technically possible, is leaving a LOT to chance even if you assume his accuracy is lower than it probably is (can't really fairly evaluate it with a PLD tank video, of course). DNC riding Fan Dance would probably work better than THF or NIN provided you have some way of dealing with Hundred Fists; you would at least not be in danger of getting one-shot by a weaponskill. Probably your best shot, particularly without Ochain, is going to be PLD with WHM + another healer to top off WSes (either RDM for debuffs or DNC for a reliable stun and backup tanking if the PLD bites it), and a SMN for Perfect Defense during Hundred Fists.

I don't necessarily think this fight is too hard considering the implications of its rewards*, but make no mistake that it is REALLY HARD, and in the dumbest ways imaginable. There's no trick to it, as far as anyone can tell; all the damage is basically unavoidable and is stacked on your tank, and the only real question is whether or not he can live through it.


*this is the single most rewarding BC fight in the history of FFXI and is probably more important than the rest of them combined; if you gave me the choice between access to these new weapon skills and access to all the immediate rewards (rings and such) and potential drops from new areas made available via story missions, there's no question I'd take the weapon skills

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Originally Posted by raksha

Couldnt you just /thf and flee when he does HF?

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PLD/THF, maybe, but for anyone else it wouldn't be worth losing shadows when they'd die in the 15 seconds after Flee wore off, anyway.

Theoretically possible for THF main with AF shoes, but I'm not really sure Hundred Fists is even the problem. The problem is that an Ochain PLD with Shell, Phalanx II, and basic Barfire had a fairly hard time even beyond a thirty-second ability we've had strategies to counter for years; they wiped once before even making it to HF iirc.

I would submit having an Ochain PLD with Shell, Phalanx II, and basic Barfire only afforded a reasonable shot at survival in a pure blink-unfriendly tank-and-spank is a really, really high bar to set for a fight that everybody needs (and needs WAY more than they ever needed CoP or what have you) but only needs to clear once and then has no other incentive to redo other than empathy. It's a return to CoP logic, which I know a lot of people will celebrate at first blush, but there's a lot more at stake here than a silly little Rajas Ring.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You can't do the fight without a real tank. Asuran does like 1k-1.5k damage to a non paladin, his normal hits are like 300 damage each.

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if this stands true a extremely well geared monk + whm + brd combo can kill him , you'd have to forgo counterstance but a near capped PDT set and the base hp of 2K would allow you to survive.

also not mentioned it seems he does Self SC's and as a monk mob your going to run into and issue with him counter rocking the piss out of any melee who doesnt have HIGH / capped acc on him.

* solution to hundred fists* shoulder tackle 8 pray for stun and run away* or you put your balls on the table pop counterstance and scream at the screen like a real man ala maat 2.0


( also TY SE FOR GIVING US MAAT 2.0)

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Originally Posted by Gokku

if this stands true a extremely well geared monk + whm + brd combo can kill him , you'd have to forgo counterstance but a near capped PDT set and the bast hp of 2K would allow you to survive.

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SAM might actually be the best tank for this if you have a SMN for Perfect Defense, since Seigan's going to be the only relatively clean way to deal with AF.

People Box babies QQing about the potential difficulty of the final LB quest make me sick. All of the LB quests from 76 onward have been completely pathetic and pointless (in difficulty and story wise) up until now. The fact that the final fight is against the guy that promotes people to black belt in game is awesome. Why the hell would anyone want to fight Maat again? We've surpassed him and it's only fitting that we'd end up fighting his master. As an added bonus I'm a MNK to the core so this LB has extra meaning for me.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

* solution to hundred fists* shoulder tackle 8 pray for stun and run away* or you put your balls on the table pop counterstance and scream at the screen like a real man ala maat 2.0

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I attempted the fight solo on mnk, just to see how it was. You definitely wanna a good plan before attempting this. A well balanced party of multiple tank and healing jobs would be the way to go. This has a 15min time limit for the fight and current record is 7min 30sec by 6 people, so low manning might time out...if you live that long. The taru used 100 fists 10seconds into the battle and it was over then. He hits at a faster rate than a normal mnk would and has enfire on his hits. Blink tanking sounds good and all, but he hits faster than you can cast and you'll likely die unless you have a whm spamming cures. A pld, mnk, nin, and thf all rotating hate would be a good plan, with 2 healers. Having a blm would be a waste of a spot, the blm would nuke and die right after when pulling hate from the tank. This is prolly the best LB they have put out, it makes you work as a team like the game use to be before Anoobyea (Abyssea) was brought in.

just to see why im happy

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...14277-Maat-2.0

i got my wish granted least partially!

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Originally Posted by Cybernetic_Empire

People Box babies QQing about the potential difficulty of the final LB quest make me sick. All of the LB quests from 76 onward have been completely pathetic and pointless (in difficulty and story wise) up until now. The fact that the final fight is against the guy that promotes people to black belt in game is awesome. Why the hell would anyone want to fight Maat again? We've surpassed him and it's only fitting that we'd end up fighting his master. As an added bonus I'm a MNK to the core so this LB has extra meaning for me.



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Limit break fights in general are pathetic and pointless. There is no reason to even have limit break quests, none what so ever.

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Originally Posted by Cybernetic_Empire

People Box babies QQing about the potential difficulty of the final LB quest make me sick. All of the LB quests from 76 onward have been completely pathetic and pointless (in difficulty and story wise) up until now.

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The gap between Ochain PLDs and everyone else in terms of the ability to take physical hits and live is huge. Really, really huge. If the evidence coming out of the fight suggests that Ochain PLDs have a really hard time surviving and blink-tanking is ruled out (which it pretty much is thanks to Asuran Fists), people are not wrong to question whether the basic numbers game means anybody else, even a PLD without an Ochain, would even have a chance to survive. People are not wrong to question this, since all the Ochains out there are going to get it done the first day and everybody else is pretty much screwed.

For my part, I am a little annoyed at it not so much because it's hard but because it's stupid. All the attacks are single-target. There are no big abilities to watch out for; they're all equally lethal. It is 100% a question of whether your tank can survive, there is a very real possibility that there's no way for your tank to survive without an Ochain, and if he/she can't there's nothing anybody else can do about it. Again, I don't necessarily object to the fight being prohibitively difficult for most people but I thought we'd moved past Get Aegis Win Game.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You can't do the fight without a real tank. Asuran does like 1k-1.5k damage to a non paladin, his normal hits are like 300 damage each.

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That's where the SMN comes in. SMN hastegas the party, BRD puts up songs, SMN uses Perfect Defense, the 3 haste capped DD tear it to pieces without even getting scratched.

Unless he has some ungodly amount of HP, -dt or a way to hurt you through PD, it shouldn't be an issue at all.

(or the abyssea age version: SMN doesn't have alex, BRD uses atk/acc song combo, and the ~100 weapon skill perle DD don't use food)

The fight is still a joke with a Paladin with ochain and whm, a second whm or rdm, and a brd, then whatever 3 melee. Its not hard to find a pld with ochain, most people who play pld as their main job probably have one or aegis which would work as well. Just need barfire, carol, good healing random stuns by mages not to die to enfire. Make it easier you can do what other people have said, chainspell stun or perfect defense his HF, shouldn't even be required though with just good healing and barspells.

With ochain normal hits do so little damage, and also mitigates asuran damage to the point where its laughable.

He can use asuran fists multiple times in a row so I don't know how or why you would want to tank this on a thf.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

The gap between Ochain PLDs and everyone else in terms of the ability to take physical hits and live is huge. Really, really huge. If the evidence coming out of the fight suggests that Ochain PLDs have a really hard time surviving and blink-tanking is ruled out (which it pretty much is thanks to Asuran Fists), people are not wrong to question whether the basic numbers game means anybody else, even a PLD without an Ochain, would even have a chance to survive. People are not wrong to question this, since all the Ochains out there are going to get it done the first day and everybody else is pretty much screwed.

For my part, I am a little annoyed at it not so much because it's hard but because it's stupid. All the attacks are single-target. There are no big abilities to watch out for; they're all equally lethal. It is 100% a question of whether your tank can survive, there is a very real possibility that there's no way for your tank to survive without an Ochain, and if he/she can't there's nothing anybody else can do about it. Again, I don't necessarily object to the fight being prohibitively difficult for most people but I thought we'd moved past Get Aegis Win Game.

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not to nitpick but aegis was never a game changer. that being said glad i have one,

selling wins on asura

/t brolic

Whats going to be terrible about this fight though is 600-700 people in fei'yen trying to spam the bc to get in when the patch comes out. Unless you can go as soon as its out.

Maybe SE should let you do the fight in other areas too so this problem doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Brolic

not to nitpick but aegis was never a game changer. that being said glad i have one,

selling wins on asura

/t brolic

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This actually sums it up pretty well, even if Zumi is right and it's not that hard with Ochain; since the actual DPS requirement is pretty light (100k-ish damage in 15 minutes against a low-to-moderate defense target) and *nobody but the PLD is going to take a single point of damage so long as the PLD is alive and holding aggro*, this is basically just a license for Ochain PLDs to print money.

And that's perfectly cool; no problem with selling wins when the reward is so clearly worth a lot of money, after all. But if you, Dear Reader, were one of the clowns asking for a OH SO AWESOME AND EPIC MAAT 2.0 LIMIT BREAK WOOHOO, this is not what you wanted.

idk what your talking about * it might be because i can out tank any none ochain pld and alot of ochain plds on this server* but this fight is everything i could have ever wanted.

can any gimp player just insta clear it...NOPE
does it require some amount of skill as a player ... YUP
can i exploit it to print gil ... YUP

and as mentioned , as a black belt monk this is just cream on the cake not only do we finally get to fight the black belt monk. We get to hear horror storys and rage fests about him wiping the floor with noobs its like Christmas with the blood of gimp players as the red.

Yea if you go in with a bunch of Perle and Aurore melee plus a whm and expect to win, you won't lol

Them people that leech all their jobs to 95 but have no gear and 100-200 levels under the skill cap are in trouble, unless someone carries them through the fight. But there no reason to not have gear besides laziness since its so easy to get.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

can any gimp player just insta clear it...NOPE
does it require some amount of skill as a player ... YUP

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These are both wrong. Any gimp player CAN clear this BC; nobody but the person with aggro takes any damage and you only have to be able to do 100k in 15 minutes to win, which is nothing. They just need an Ochain PLD to tank it for them.

5/5 perle and aurore with a level 90 elemental or WS magian is more than enough to meet this damage requirement, and the idea that people would actually show up to this fight on jobs with primary combat skills 100-200 levels below the cap is complete bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

The fight is still a joke with a Paladin with ochain and whm, a second whm or rdm, and a brd, then whatever 3 melee. Its not hard to find a pld with ochain, most people who play pld as their main job probably have one or aegis which would work as well. Just need barfire, carol, good healing random stuns by mages not to die to enfire. Make it easier you can do what other people have said, chainspell stun or perfect defense his HF, shouldn't even be required though with just good healing and barspells.

With ochain normal hits do so little damage, and also mitigates asuran damage to the point where its laughable.

He can use asuran fists multiple times in a row so I don't know how or why you would want to tank this on a thf.

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You should not have to find a pld with ochain to win a bc just to level up. This will i guarantee lead to snubbing of certain jobs and casual players that may have only leveled up and well geared one job. that is wrong. Se knows this happens.

I also guarantee we will see shouts for this as smn only, to the point many people will level up smn just to do a LB quest.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

You should not have to find a pld with ochain to win a bc just to level up. This will i guarantee lead to snubbing of certain jobs and casual players that may have only leveled up and well geared one job. that is wrong. Se knows this happens.

I also guarantee we will see shouts for this as smn only, to the point many people will level up smn just to do a LB quest.

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To be fair, I am pretty sure this BC is to unlock the weapon skills; the 99 Limit Break is "turn in 15 merits".

I am not on the test server, however.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Whats going to be terrible about this fight though is 600-700 people in fei'yen trying to spam the bc to get in when the patch comes out. Unless you can go as soon as its out.

Maybe SE should let you do the fight in other areas too so this problem doesn't happen.

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IF SE keeps it like this where you can only do one BC at a time, it is time for them to just shut down FFXI because they are too damn stupid to continue to support this game properly. Years have gone by where they have made the same mistake not once or twice but probably 30 times.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

idk what your talking about * it might be because i can out tank any none ochain pld and alot of ochain plds on this server* but this fight is everything i could have ever wanted.

can any gimp player just insta clear it...NOPE
does it require some amount of skill as a player ... YUP
can i exploit it to print gil ... YUP

and as mentioned , as a black belt monk this is just cream on the cake not only do we finally get to fight the black belt monk. We get to hear horror storys and rage fests about him wiping the floor with noobs its like Christmas with the blood of gimp players as the red.

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you kind of sound like an elitist a hole. god forbid people play casually to have fun in a game, and those people that pay probably ensure this game hasnt been shut down yet so you can continue to play. So, you are about the, ya screw you casuals, if you can't dedicate to this game you don't deserve to play. is that what you are basically saying?

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Originally Posted by scaevola

To be fair, I am pretty sure this BC is to unlock the weapon skills; the 99 Limit Break is "turn in 15 merits".

I am not on the test server, however.

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Still, this content screams easy 6* smn win. SE should realize this by now. There is nothing wrong with hard content, but there should never be any attacks that one shot DD from full hp, you should have a chance to survive. That is not challenge, that just invites burn type mentality. make it so they do big attacks but the DD has a chance to survive if their healers are on top of healing.

well making it a multi player battle screams stupid as the game is almost solo / duoable now and really i dont want to sit there spamming the bcnm areas or listening to elitists shouting selling spots to get level 99 limit break honestly i see this as a fail!!! soloable higher lvl maat fight ok but party situation not even funny.... maybe 12 total ochains on this server... and to say u need an ochain pld to clear that is a real fail by SE knowing how much of a pain it is to get yay to the pld who will have a usefullness again for a month or so besides vw but this is a little ridiculous to me

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Originally Posted by scaevola

To be fair, I am pretty sure this BC is to unlock the weapon skills; the 99 Limit Break is "turn in 15 merits".

I am not on the test server, however.

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Nope this is the lb quest fight.
I like the idea, but I think the difficulty level needs to be curved.
So that it can not be soloed.
But still requires a good combination's of jobs.

So that everyone can join in the fun, with out having to reply on certain job combination's to win.

BTW seen this on the test server bcnm record as been done by 5 ppl in less than 3mins.

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So that it can not be soloed.

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It already can not be soloed. At least, I've yet to hear anyone solo it.