Adjust ??? spawn times in Sea from 15 minutes to 3 minutes PLEASE!

Bad game design is something to be corrected, not an obstacle to be proud of overcoming.

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

sure you can add that in your signature :)

Sometimes I have to wait 10-20 minutes for an NM to respawn in abyssea.
The Mobs surrounding that NM dont drop anything worth the while, and it could happen that I lose the NM to someone else, so I just idle around, doing nothing. What DO I do you ask?
I turn on my TV, watching shows, playing skyrim, playing FFXI on my secondary account, going to the kitchen fetching some food, going to the toilet, or chatting with friends. I dont cry because I have to wait.

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Ah, yeah...the best part of that FFXI game is, it lets you take breaks!
I get to watch TV and do everything but play the game itself! Unless of course, I have another account in which I go do cool other character stuff!

Oh, and apparently not wanting to waste time is crying.

There is nothing more frustrating than wasting 2 hours to do something that you are capable of doing in 10 minutes.

Killing a jailer in 60 seconds and then waiting 15 minutes for its ??? to repop is asinine. The fact that there's any disagreement in this thread at all is retarded. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather knock out 8 jailers in 10 minutes and then go play Skyrim than sit around in sea for 2 hours like a baws and play Skyrim in another window. It's not like I need a long rest after the grueling, excruciating task of killing a level 80 monster. Also, dualboxing FFXI and Skyrim means INTERRUPTING SKYRIM when the ??? is back up. That's blasphemous. Whirlwind Sprint off a cliff please.

Not sure if this was mentioned, but the moving spawn points are annoying too for jailers. If content is renewed I can understand it, but as things are now there is not enough competition to justify it.

Gawd I hate those moving spawn points.

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Originally Posted by Helel

Because there's totally competition in sky right? Did you even read his post?

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Yes. I did read his post. What part of my post suggests I didn't read it? I'm getting really, really sick of this nonsense, cop-out response. Just because you don't understand someone's response, it doesn't mean they didn't read the OP.

15 minutes is not long. The reason why I said "it's not like there's any competition" is because it used to be much worse. He should be happy it's only taking 15 minutes and not hours.

People might be used to Abyssea conditions, but I'll tell you: The only reason the ???s repop so quickly there is because everyone is under a time limit in Abyssea, and there were a lot of in demand NMs that caused major traffic jams as far as progressing within it. That's the only reason.

I'm actually going to formally back down from my previous statements. I personally don't think 15 minutes is an issue, considering there's loads of NMs in this game that take hours, if not days, to spawn. However, yeah, not every one got several hours to toss into the game every day. If everyone is playing this game for the enjoyment of playing, then it's understandable from that aspect to help save time so everyone can enjoy the game. It isn't really hurting anyone.

So yeah, even though I don't agree with it all that much, came to realize that I don't do any of these activities for personal reasons. I'm either asked to attend or just going along with an LS for an event in many of these endgame content so it honestly would not effect me in any way.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

15 minutes is not long. The reason why I said "it's not like there's any competition" is because it used to be much worse. He should be happy it's only taking 15 minutes and not hours.

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Slightly less shitty game design is still shitty game design.

Be glad you're only idle for 110 minutes of the 2 hours you spent in Sea, guys?

Meh. I don't see how this is gonna negatively impact anything or how it's related to abyssea. People always did / still do farm time anyways. I don't recall time being a major issue since maybe the first few weeks. I say lower the timers, and add 2 more ???s so that people can spam the hell out of them. Standing around is lame. more fighting.

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Slightly less shitty game design is still shitty game design.

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It's not shitty game design any more than any other MMO has shitty game design. This shittiness is precieved by the industry to be a requirement to keep people playing/addicted.

The game's clientele has aged and many of its players have busier lives than when they started playing. That much is for sure. SE has accommodated that to some degree. I'm sure even at the very first day of the game's launch, everyone would be totally happy if there was no wait time for anything whatsoever. But some wait times are necessary or your players tire of playing too quickly and you lose your player base (and therefore $$$)

Think about it- if every several minute and day-long delay was removed from the game, we would have all accomplished our current accomplishments a long time ago. We'd have beaten each piece of new content in a fraction of the time it originally took, and we'd be a lot more bored now than we would have been otherwise.

I'm not necessarily suggesting that this is a good thing, because everyone loves having more time in their lives, but that it's essentially a part of MMOs. Every MMO has things you can only do once every so often, in order to gate and pace progress.

People still do sea?

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

Normaly I'd say "Boo you for saying quit the game if you want to change something" but

This isnt a "shitty game design". I do not know how they decided for 15 minutes, nor do I care. 15 Minutes are nothing. in Sea going afk for 15 minutes at a random place can still kill a 95. There are enough mobs to play with that also give exp and with some luck some drops for sea gear.

What IS falling under shitty game design, including areas that put one part to baby mode but puts others to ultra hard mode. Gaining levels is easy now, yes. Doing early genkais became harder thanks to the mobs that can easly kill a 95 in an area like Crawlers Nest. it takes of the fun part of doing early genkai. while it WAS annoying to get ancient papyrus and exoray mold thanks to low drops, now you need to watch out as helper not to get eaten by mobs that normaly would have been no problem

If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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You do not have to even see the high level mobs to get to exorays now for mold. They are up top, please know what you are talking about before you rant.

As the game progresses, older / less relevant content needs to be nerfed so that the reward still equals the investment. They have new time sinks now. they don't need you to spend 99 hours standing around in sea any more.

Reduce the timer already. Changes like this that make the game more player friendly, while hurting no one should be implemented. There's really no need for debate.

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Originally Posted by Soranika

You do remember you have to fight JoL before AV, right?

And you have to fight all the other NMs before you fight JOL. I'm well aware. Been there, done it, got some torques for it.


It's funny you skipped over me conceding on the actual argument.

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I know all about JOL and AV. You have to kill all the other NMs before JOL as well. It doesn't change my point.

It seems you have come around to the other side. For that I give you all the credit in the world. The next paragraph won't be necessarily be aimed at you, but I do want to make the point.

I don't want easy mode or handouts. I just don't want the game bogged down by pointless waiting that doesn't add anything to the experience. I honestly wouldn't care if the mobs took longer to kill. If SE wants to delay me, they need to delay me in an engaging and entertaining way. It is a game. Engaging, interactive entertainment is what a game is all about.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I don't want easy mode or handouts. I just don't want the game bogged down by pointless waiting that doesn't add anything to the experience. I honestly wouldn't care if the mobs took longer to kill. If SE wants to delay me, they need to delay me in an engaging and entertaining way. It is a game. Engaging, interactive entertainment is what a game is all about.

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This.

Time sinks are fine to have, but dress it up, make it pretty and make it fun so it's part of the experience rather than just being told to sit in a corner and wait until an arbitrary amount of time has passed and I can have my next helping of enjoying the goddamn game.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I don't want easy mode or handouts. I just don't want the game bogged down by pointless waiting that doesn't add anything to the experience. I honestly wouldn't care if the mobs took longer to kill. If SE wants to delay me, they need to delay me in an engaging and entertaining way. It is a game. Engaging, interactive entertainment is what a game is all about.

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I want handouts.

Also, streamlining older, obsolete content so that the payoff is still proportional to the time investment is an excellent point.

Its funny.. people say not to change the timers... yea cuz standing around for 15 mins is..
1. fun.
2. enhances the difficulty?

morons...

I thank all of you who had something good to say about this topic. The rest just are bored and in need of something to do like trolling. Anyway I hope community team passes this along to the dev's. Been doing Sea events since when CoP was released and I still haven't had a good crack @ AV since the level cap increase due to a number of different things.

Again thank you!