[dev1042] Regen V

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Originally Posted by Economizer

It isn't. On the off chance it is, Phanauet Channel will be so full of bloody mortarboards that you can walk on it.

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Well, that's somewhat of a relief. Every job with healing magic should receive the adjustments. I noticed that Regen IV is usable with Accession for WHM on the test server, so that's one nice bonus.

Like they said earlier, they're adjusting cure formulas to compensate for their incomprehensible stance on whmonly cure V. I added the incomprehensible part obviously, but honestly, SCH-specific regen makes them look even more ridiculous in limiting cure V to whm only.

1. Why change cure formulas at all when you can simply give other jobs cure V. This is just dumb.
2. Why does SCH only get 1 tier of regen specific to SCH. WHM (for whatever retarded reason) gets two tiers of cures that are specific to WHM. There's plenty of other examples: every job/rdm now has access to refresh, but no worries, RDM gets one tier higher. It's almost always one tier, and yet WHM still gets two tiers all to itself. Why...?

Someone on the dev team has a serious fetish for WHM or something, because logically these jobs/spells do not make sense at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Ashay

Okay, so when is SCH getting that scholar-specific Refresh III? I can handle SCH learning Regen III and IV earlier than WHM, but I don't see why WHM can't learn Regen V as well by Lv.99. And why is the bonus effect with Light Arts scholar-specific? Most WHMs sub SCH, and having that enhancement would make Regen more useful all around. I sincerely hope the Healing Magic Skill and MND adjustments aren't SCH specific.

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You're kidding right? SCH learns Regen's earlier, and learns Regen V at 99, therefore WHM can't learn it. Light Arts bonus is obvious, WHM already gains all SCH's bonus's under Light Arts, every job should have a buff for their only abilities. WHM has had it to good for too long now.

ITT: WHMs bawwwing about stuff that doesn't matter at all because they will still get picked over SCH and RDM for healing every single time.

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Originally Posted by Fredjan

I can picture White Mages complaining already, especially on the last part.

Yet I'm not one of the White Mages complaining.

I honestly feel the regen cast time reduction should apply as a generic change and not limited to Scholar itself, but that's my only thought on that matter. Rest I quite approve of.

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I don't even use regen anymore on white mage. So lackluster these days

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Originally Posted by Annalise

I don't even use regen anymore on white mage. So lackluster these days

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I barely ever use it, cures are so MP efficient anymore especially with /SCH that it doesn't matter.

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ITT: WHMs bawwwing about stuff that doesn't matter at all because they will still get picked over SCH and RDM for healing every single time.

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That sums it up well. I could just see the outrage that'd occur if this were Cure V instead, and even if those jobs did get that, anyone doing a serious (key word: serious) event SHOULD want a White Mage healing them anyway, regardless.

WHM has it so easy now that people complain for the sake of complaining at times, I'd have to say.

Does SCH really -need- Regen V? No. Considering the levels they changed III and IV too, I figured it'd be obvious they'd get it, showing the "mastery" of the spell line, and as a SCH myself, I definitely welcome the addition.
Is it a nice addition to the job's "niche"? Yes along with the adjustments in general that they're doing to the Regen spell line on that job.
Will it make people want SCHs more? I doubt it. SCH can out-nuke Black Mage with the same spell and people STILL want Black Mages overall.
What would be an extremely awesome use of the spell? Combining it with Embrava, you're looking at over 150 HP a tick. (Regen IV + Embrava for me was 134~).
Does White Mage need it? No. It'd just be a "cute" addition like Cura III, a spell that won't even be used with much frequency.
Should RDM be stuck with Regen II at this point? No. I'd complain more about that than WHM not getting Regen V.

As a lvl 95SCH and a lvl 49WHM, I agree that the regen changes should apply to all jobs, and the light arts stuff should apply to anyone that uses light arts.


If you're not going to make it consistent, then don't do it all I say.

Regen is kinda pointless when the mob is hitting you for 300+ per hit. The damage dealt invalidates the 1-2 ticks of regen HP, you're better off waiting till the player is below 75% HP and throw out a Cure 5 than to have them ride Regens. Regens heal massive amounts of HP over time but since HP can drop down to 20-30% in a single TP move and a single Cure 6 brings you back to 100%, what good is Regen?

Regen is awesome when the damage sustained is close in value to the regen's HP/tick, but when it far exceeds it, it's hardly noticeable. It doesn't really sustain a tank, it only delays the time before the WHM will need to Cure V or Cure VI them. Regens+Cure IV will never be enough to sustain anything endgame.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

If you're not going to make it consistent, then don't do it all I say.

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Based on earlier news, I was under the impression that Light Arts would give a light effect of the buffs Scholar gets since it is something like half-potency or so, and Scholars get the full effect. That said, while it would be neat if it worked this way, meh. The only thing I think we're getting for sure is faster Regen spells for all jobs who cast it, but even if that doesn't happen for all jobs, which would be wrong, I don't think it is a reason to stop the Regen changes at this point. Still, I guess that's the reason it is on the test server.

Well from my testing light arts Regen V with Embrava on heals over 100+ a tick which really helps out esp when you use Perpetuance to extend it's duration.

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Originally Posted by Ashay

Okay, so when is SCH getting that scholar-specific Refresh III? I can handle SCH learning Regen III and IV earlier than WHM, but I don't see why WHM can't learn Regen V as well by Lv.99. And why is the bonus effect with Light Arts scholar-specific? Most WHMs sub SCH, and having that enhancement would make Regen more useful all around. I sincerely hope the Healing Magic Skill and MND adjustments aren't SCH specific.

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LoL its funny to see all the whms crying about a new Regen spell for sch, as a drk we had a lot of our spells ripped from us and whms came in our forums and told us to stop whining, whm kept the precious cure V and now they are still bitching about sch getting regen 5. Rdm had regen several months before whm, whm ripped regen from rdm, and now sch is the master of regen. The whining whms get over yourself, you were never entitled to regen V SE kept cure V and VI whm only and still you whine there's tons of whm only cures get off sch back they need and should have regen V and maybe even regen 6.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

LoL its funny to see all the whms crying about a new Regen spell for sch, as a drk we had a lot of our spells ripped from us and whms came in our forums and told us to stop whining, whm kept the precious cure V and now they are still bitching about sch getting regen 5. Rdm had regen several months before whm, whm ripped regen from rdm, and now sch is the master of regen. The whining whms get over yourself, you were never entitled to regen V SE kept cure V and VI whm only and still you whine there's tons of whm only cures get off sch back they need and should have regen V and maybe even regen 6.

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I can't decide whether I want to swallow my pride and agree with you, or just make fun of you for your continued perpetuation of the "Drks are emo" stereotype, that normally comes as more of a joke but seems to be the real deal in your case.

I'll take the third option: HEY LOOK, A DANCING PUPPY!

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

LoL its funny to see all the whms crying about a new Regen spell for sch, as a drk we had a lot of our spells ripped from us and whms came in our forums and told us to stop whining, whm kept the precious cure V and now they are still bitching about sch getting regen 5. Rdm had regen several months before whm, whm ripped regen from rdm, and now sch is the master of regen. The whining whms get over yourself, you were never entitled to regen V SE kept cure V and VI whm only and still you whine there's tons of whm only cures get off sch back they need and should have regen V and maybe even regen 6.

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Yeah, because I'm so sure I was one of the WHMs on the DRK forum telling you all to stop complaining. I didn't realize it was such a sin to post an opinion on something in a game I've been playing for a long time.

Bottom line is, Regen is a huge part of WHM. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be Regen Effect merits, there wouldn't be multiple pieces of equipment that enhance Regen. Cleric's Briault +2, Enhances potency of "Regen" II. Where's that at for RDM or SCH? Don't get in my face talking about the job when you clearly have no idea.

I cast Regen IV a lot and find it to be pretty useful for the things I do in game every day, so yeah, it's a blow not getting Regen V. Considering SCH isn't even getting Regen IV until this next update, it's just kind of funny. You'd think they'd give Regen V to SCH at Lv.95 and WHM at Lv.99, but no, they clearly have other plans even though they've been pushing that Regen be more useful all along.

In the end, I don't really care for Regen V that much. I can still use Regen IV, and it'll be usable with Accession come the update so that's great. My one reserve was that I was hoping the Regen buff with Light Arts would be for SCH sub as well, but it's not.

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Originally Posted by Ashay

Yeah, because I'm so sure I was one of the WHMs on the DRK forum telling you all to stop complaining. I didn't realize it was such a sin to post an opinion on something in a game I've been playing for a long time.

Bottom line is, Regen is a huge part of WHM. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be Regen Effect merits, there wouldn't be multiple pieces of equipment that enhance Regen. Cleric's Briault +2, Enhances potency of "Regen" II. Where's that at for RDM or SCH? Don't get in my face talking about the job when you clearly have no idea.

I cast Regen IV a lot and find it to be pretty useful for the things I do in game every day, so yeah, it's a blow not getting Regen V. Considering SCH isn't even getting Regen IV until this next update, it's just kind of funny. You'd think they'd give Regen V to SCH at Lv.95 and WHM at Lv.99, but no, they clearly have other plans even though they've been pushing that Regen be more useful all along.

In the end, I don't really care for Regen V that much. I can still use Regen IV, and it'll be usable with Accession come the update so that's great. My one reserve was that I was hoping the Regen buff with Light Arts would be for SCH sub as well, but it's not.

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Would you feel better if Regen V was called Healing Helix instead? Hate to burst your bubble but this was in the work for a long time, sch's wanted and needed a Healing Helix and SE agreed and gave it to them in their own way. Instead of a Curing Helix, SE decided to do the same thing by giving them a higher tier regen with a sizable Light Arts Boost. Do you understand how hard it is to heal on sch? Regen power is part of sch's arsenal heck its even in their 2hr Embrava, furthermore there a direct JA that increase regen's duration. Sch is clearly more equip to use the spells, whms should focus on cures and schs will support you with powerful regens.

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Originally Posted by Ashay

Yeah, because I'm so sure I was one of the WHMs on the DRK forum telling you all to stop complaining. I didn't realize it was such a sin to post an opinion on something in a game I've been playing for a long time.

Bottom line is, Regen is a huge part of WHM. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be Regen Effect merits, there wouldn't be multiple pieces of equipment that enhance Regen. Cleric's Briault +2, Enhances potency of "Regen" II. Where's that at for RDM or SCH? Don't get in my face talking about the job when you clearly have no idea.

I cast Regen IV a lot and find it to be pretty useful for the things I do in game every day, so yeah, it's a blow not getting Regen V. Considering SCH isn't even getting Regen IV until this next update, it's just kind of funny. You'd think they'd give Regen V to SCH at Lv.95 and WHM at Lv.99, but no, they clearly have other plans even though they've been pushing that Regen be more useful all along.

In the end, I don't really care for Regen V that much. I can still use Regen IV, and it'll be usable with Accession come the update so that's great. My one reserve was that I was hoping the Regen buff with Light Arts would be for SCH sub as well, but it's not.

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Doesn't change the FACT it was a RDM spell first, then given to WHM, now to SCH. Deal with it.

They didn't remove your merits, they still work. WHM is just inferior to SCH now where Regen's are concerned.

As a white, i feel like it's a little bit of a slap in the face to have regen merits and enhances regen on our relic body only to not have access to the highest tier regen spell.

Though, the scholar in me is saying that giving them cure V would be too overpowered. Regen spells fit nicely into the type of mage that scholar is, so I guess them having Regen V will be a welcome change.

Now what to do with my regen set/merits....

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Originally Posted by Ashay

Yeah, because I'm so sure I was one of the WHMs on the DRK forum telling you all to stop complaining. I didn't realize it was such a sin to post an opinion on something in a game I've been playing for a long time.

Bottom line is, Regen is a huge part of WHM. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be Regen Effect merits, there wouldn't be multiple pieces of equipment that enhance Regen. Cleric's Briault +2, Enhances potency of "Regen" II. Where's that at for RDM or SCH? Don't get in my face talking about the job when you clearly have no idea.

I cast Regen IV a lot and find it to be pretty useful for the things I do in game every day, so yeah, it's a blow not getting Regen V. Considering SCH isn't even getting Regen IV until this next update, it's just kind of funny. You'd think they'd give Regen V to SCH at Lv.95 and WHM at Lv.99, but no, they clearly have other plans even though they've been pushing that Regen be more useful all along.

In the end, I don't really care for Regen V that much. I can still use Regen IV, and it'll be usable with Accession come the update so that's great. My one reserve was that I was hoping the Regen buff with Light Arts would be for SCH sub as well, but it's not.

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Given how basically all of whms gear and abilities are centered around the "Cure" line of spells, with the next largest focus probably being the "barelement" spells, I think you, and everyone else trying to claim the same thing, are pulling "Regen is a huge part of WHM" out of your ass. At this point in the game, regen isn't a huge, big, or even medium sized part of whm. Regen is a small part of whm's immensely powerful healing repertoire that most whms don't even bother making use of due to its lack of efficiency relative to other healing methods, primarily cures. Whm easily caps cure potency, something that is far more difficult for all the other jobs with cure spells, and even takes it a step further by totally bypassing the cure soft and hard caps via cureskin. Whm is also far, far, far more efficient with group heals than the other jobs with the ability, especially sch, due to how accession doubles mp cost and casting time. Whm loses absolutely nothing on any front by sch getting regen V.

Oh, and since you guys all want to complain about sch stealing something from whm (regens), I'd like to call your attention to how whm completely stole something from sch. Both are even present in merits! I'm talking about how whm's "Boost-" line of spells pretty much copied and then totally dwarf sch's Cat2 Merit Stormsurge. Sch's can give +7 to a stat at best, with 5 merits. Whms can give +15 to a stat by sneezing, and with the available enhancing gear, will be able to pass +20~25 at 99. Do I really care about this? No; however the comparison stands.

Seriously people, enough whining. You're starting to sound like a bunch of angsty melee rdms bitching about how they're not recognized for the fact that they want to pretend to be a melee class.





....*dives for the fox hole*

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Would you feel better if Regen V was called Healing Helix instead? Hate to burst your bubble but this was in the work for a long time, sch's wanted and needed a Healing Helix and SE agreed and gave it to them in their own way. Instead of a Curing Helix, SE decided to do the same thing by giving them a higher tier regen with a sizable Light Arts Boost. Do you understand how hard it is to heal on sch? Regen power is part of sch's arsenal heck its even in their 2hr Embrava, furthermore there a direct JA that increase regen's duration. Sch is clearly more equip to use the spells, whms should focus on cures and schs will support you with powerful regens.

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Yes, I have Scholar leveled, so I realize that healing can be a challenge for the job. I was all for Scholar getting Cure V. It's getting tier V black magic so I don't see why it's not getting Cure V.

I said before that I don't care much about Regen V, but I'd like to know why SCH as a support job won't get the buff to Regen while under Light Arts. As Raksha said, why limit it unnecessarily? Given that SQEX has been pushing Regen's importance, which is what I've been mentioning all along, you'd think they would want to allow every job the ability to enhance the spell in any way possible. SQEX is making the spell a huge part of WHM by having merits for the job, and equipment that is specific to WHM.

Also, it's not hard to cap Cure Potency for jobs with Cure spells unless you mean PLD. Surya's Staff +3 is +23%, Heka's Kalasiris is +15%, Augur's Gloves are +4%, Tatsumaki Sitagoromo can have +5% in augments, not to mention Roundel Earring which is another 5%.

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Originally Posted by Theytak

I can't decide whether I want to swallow my pride and agree with you, or just make fun of you for your continued perpetuation of the "Drks are emo" stereotype, that normally comes as more of a joke but seems to be the real deal in your case.

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He's refering to a thread where he complained about Puppetmaster getting some of the Dark Knight spells. While I don't remember if I highlighted the fact that Puppets can cast Cure V/VI and nobody really thinks they can outheal even someone subbing White Mage, I do remember I thoroughly destroyed the complaints in a logical and sound manner, and then have got to watch him complain about it up and down the Dark Knight threads just because the job I listed as "main job" on my profile happens to be White Mage.

I'm sure he's reading this, thinking about how much more he is going to complain about having his complaints routed, and I'd like to remind him that Afflatus Misery and Scarlet Delirium share a lot of traits suspiciously in common (I happily remember pointing this out on several occasions because I am suspicious they share some code on some level - not because I would care in the remotest sense that another job could use it or something designed to be crappy like it is).

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Originally Posted by Ashay

Bottom line is, Regen is a huge part of WHM. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be Regen Effect merits, there wouldn't be multiple pieces of equipment that enhance Regen. Cleric's Briault +2, Enhances potency of "Regen" II. Where's that at for RDM or SCH? Don't get in my face talking about the job when you clearly have no idea.

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Scholar is getting bigger buffs to Regen spells then we are with Light Arts, does that make it more of a part of their job then ours? To be honest, I wish they never had the Regen Effect merits, and I hope they delete them in favor of something else, because they certainly would have never reduced Regen cast times just for White Mage, or it would have been done ages ago before SCH was ever a job. If there is anything to be mad about here, I'd say it is that and that alone.

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Originally Posted by Ashay

I cast Regen IV a lot and find it to be pretty useful for the things I do in game every day

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Why? It is MP inefficient and takes ages to cast. Please tell me you don't have merits in it. D:

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

They didn't remove your merits, they still work.

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They should remove them, and give us something else. Not even because of this change, but because it sucks... well not as bad as Divine Seal and Banish Effect merits do, but sheesh. Of all of the jobs, I don't think any other Category 1 is as easy to decide as White Mage.

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Originally Posted by Theytak

Given how basically all of whms gear and abilities are centered around the "Cure" line of spells, with the next largest focus probably being the "barelement" spells, I think you, and everyone else trying to claim the same thing, are pulling "Regen is a huge part of WHM" out of your ass.

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To be fair to White Mages complaining about this, nearly 20% of White Mages had merits in Regen for the 10th Census data.

I'd like to think this was a result of not having AF3 pants yet or something, or because they don't feel the need for cure cast time merits. I suppose if you didn't want cure cast time merits, and your choices (obviously you chose Barspell effect) were Regen effect, Banish effect, and Divine Seal recast I think the choice would be obvious (of a White Mage's five merit choices, Regen potency isn't the worst... let that sink in a moment).

Anyways, I can basically say that while some anger about this change is understandable (I was a bit miffed that they changed the cast times now instead of ages ago - plus, I still haven't seen Red Mage get even Regen III yet!), I don't think it is unfair for Scholar to get Regen V.

I know that the minority of people coming in here just to say "haha every WHM evar are upset 3fsefeopoo?AFF?A CURE V!!!!11" don't represent the majority of people (a good portion of which are career White Mages) who calmly explained to the OP that Regen V isn't really going to make Regen spells not suck for White Mages, but I shudder to think that someone might think they do. I'm not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Why? It is MP inefficient and takes ages to cast. Please tell me you don't have merits in it. D:

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I don't have Regen Effect merits, though I might merit it if we had 15 as a limit for group one. I have Cure Cast Time 5/5 and Barspell Effect 5/5. I like to use Regen IV when the need arises for small cures here and there, because it's more effective while fighting weaker monsters, personally. I usually enfeeble enemies a lot, so Regen gives me a bit of time to do so, and I'll toss Cure III or IV if I need that Stoneskin to bide some time.

Well its good to see that there are whms that understand what SE is doing, SE deliberately made sure they did not step on whms toes by dishing out cure V to sch. So what they did instead is enhance the niche for sch to be a support mage, by increasing sch healing capabilities through different methods but at the same time keeping whm king at its job. As a career drk I can appreciate a sch hitting me with a potent regen it would allow me to use my souleater more often without the worry of hp loss. With all of this being said SE still need to address rdm curing, because its still horrendous.

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Originally Posted by Ashay

I don't have Regen Effect merits, though I might merit it if we had 15 as a limit for group one. I have Cure Cast Time 5/5 and Barspell Effect 5/5.

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I think this is more of a consequence of the other two choices sucking more then Regen Effect though. Maybe if the Divine Seal recast merit floored the recast at 3~5 minutes (or less) or the Banish effect merit did um... (okay I don't know how they'd fix that) then we'd be more inclined to choose different choices. Well, more inclined if they gave us fifteen merits at least.

Once I'm close to capping cure cast time without them (which won't be for awhile without VW body/Relic+2 head) I'd drop cure cast merits maybe for regen, and if there was 15 merits I'd probably do Divine Seal Recast too.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Once I'm close to capping cure cast time without them (which won't be for awhile without VW body/Relic+2 head) I'd drop cure cast merits maybe for regen, and if there was 15 merits I'd probably do Divine Seal Recast too.

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I'm under the impression, from the latest version of Cleric's Cap +2 that I saw in Julian's .dat listings last week, that it only affects the "Cura" line.

Clr. Cap +2 Rare Exclusive
Head
DEF:31 MP+35 VIT+7 MND+7
"Cura" casting time -10% Enmity-7
Lv90 WHM

Yeah, I was disappointed too.

Oh boy... well it seems Surya's Staff+4 gets another -2% casting time... I'll have to go over all the pieces needed later. It probably means Heka's Kalasiris or Nefer+1 then...

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I'm under the impression, from the latest version of Cleric's Cap +2 that I saw in Julian's .dat listings last week, that it only affects the "Cura" line.

Clr. Cap +2 Rare Exclusive
Head
DEF:31 MP+35 VIT+7 MND+7
"Cura" casting time -10% Enmity-7
Lv90 WHM

Yeah, I was disappointed too.

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It is cure.
ＣＲキャップ+2
防31 MP+35 VIT+7 MND+7
ケアル詠唱時間-10% 敵対心-7
Lv90～　白
ケアル=Cure, ケアルラ=Cura

Speaking as both a White Mage and a Scholar, I'm rather pleased to see Scholar get Regen V as a unique spell. As a White Mage, be honest with yourselves now, how often have you really cast Regen spells? In all likelihood, it was either a long time ago or only done for rare events where curing simply wasn't enough.

For those White Mage prima donna's still complaining, I just have two words for you. Afflatus Solace.

Face it boys and girls, this one job ability has transformed the class into the ultimate healer. Every single healing spell grants damage mitigation, we can remove multiple statuses in an instant using Sacrifice and we can power up our Holy spell to make it actually worth the MP cost. It's a very powerful tool in itself, and that's before I mention Afflatus Misery and Esuna.

The point is, Regen or no Regen we've got it pretty good. There is no competition right now, and while that might be great for the white mages, it's not doing scholar's much good. In my mind, Scholar is practically screaming for adjustments that make them stand out. They're not Black Mages, and they're no White Mage either. They're neither and yet both. They have little identity of their own, and that's where they need the most adjustments.

My only gripe, if there is to be one, is that Regen V needs to be considerably more powerful if it's to make Scholar's into viable healers.

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Originally Posted by Ashay

Also, it's not hard to cap Cure Potency for jobs with Cure spells unless you mean PLD. Surya's Staff +3 is +23%, Heka's Kalasiris is +15%, Augur's Gloves are +4%, Tatsumaki Sitagoromo can have +5% in augments, not to mention Roundel Earring which is another 5%.

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I must've missed this, but sch can't use roundel earring and heka is almost nonexistant. in order to cap cure potency sch has to equip basically every piece of cure potency gear it can get (including scenario gear).

23% Staff + 3% fylgja+1 + 5% serpentes + 4% Oretenia's is 35%, heka's would be capped, 5% from cap with NQ Nefer and you'd need to waste ASA legs but not head.

New goliard legs is 7% if it matters but no clue on how to get it yet.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

23% Staff + 3% fylgja+1 + 5% serpentes + 4% Oretenia's is 35%, heka's would be capped, 5% from cap with NQ Nefer and you'd need to waste ASA legs but not head.

New goliard legs is 7% if it matters but no clue on how to get it yet.

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i had forgotten about the new cape, but that is basically all the cure potency gear that sch can equip (without scenario rewards).

Don't worry though, Rdm has it almost as bad, they just don't need scenario rewards. For balance, Sch can Aurastorm and Rapture!

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Don't worry though, Rdm has it almost as bad, they just don't need scenario rewards. For balance, Sch can Aurastorm and Rapture!

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SCH also has emp+2 hat, but if you use that you lose the cure potency on MKE cap /sigh.

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Originally Posted by Ashay

I like to use Regen IV when the need arises for small cures here and there, because it's more effective while fighting weaker monsters, personally. I usually enfeeble enemies a lot, so Regen gives me a bit of time to do so, and I'll toss Cure III or IV if I need that Stoneskin to bide some time.

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Assuming using Light Arts and all the gear to enhance the two:

Regen IV = 875HP healed over 75 seconds for 74 MP
Cure V = 1050HP healed instantly for ~69 MP and a 367HP stoneskin effect for 30 seconds.

So if fighting weaker monsters, taking gradual damage, aren't in danger of getting hit for heavy damage, and the WHM is busy doing other things then yes Regen may be worth it but personally I really don't bother. It's still less efficient than cures and in the limited situations where you can use Regen you are probably better off having a BRD/WHM heal you.

Cure V is 134 MP base, not 69. HP per MP using your cure amounts = 7.83
Regen IV is 82 MP base, not 74. HP per MP = 11.82

Regen IV is significantly more MP efficient.

If you want to throw in light arts, it affects both spells, as does the MP cost down strategem. But this is really about SCH main, and considering SCH doesn't have Cure V, Regen V will be a reasonable alternative to Cure IV when the healing need isn't ultra-dire (e.g. the target isn't going to die in 1 more hit)

When used with Orison+2 legs it costs around 69 MP

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

When used with Orison+2 legs it costs around 69 MP

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Only if none of the cure amount is wasted to filling the target's HP, and only if you have this item. Also, this is a thread about Scholar and Regen, and not White Mage. Even if SCH ever got Cure V, it would not have the Orison +2 legs.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Also, this is a thread about Scholar and Regen, and not White Mage.

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The OP was complaining that WHM didn't get Regen V, so ultimately, this is a thread about both White Mage and Scholar.

White Mage gets the AF3+2 legs, and has Cure V, so not having Regen V isn't that big a deal.

Scholar does not get those things, and thus Regens are more MP efficient for it, and is getting Regen V.

Overarching MP efficiency is not job dependent.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Cure V is 134 MP base, not 69. HP per MP using your cure amounts = 7.83
Regen IV is 82 MP base, not 74. HP per MP = 11.82

Regen IV is significantly more MP efficient.

If you want to throw in light arts, it affects both spells, as does the MP cost down strategem. But this is really about SCH main, and considering SCH doesn't have Cure V, Regen V will be a reasonable alternative to Cure IV when the healing need isn't ultra-dire (e.g. the target isn't going to die in 1 more hit)

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Counting cureskin, the MP efficiency is actually around 10.2 HP per MP, and the cureskin is very relevant in a main healer scenario. This is also before counting orison pants +1/+2.

Also, pants +1/+2 makes makes light arts more valuable when casting cures than it normally is. Assuming you get back 52 MP per cure 5, your net MP use will be 83 without light arts, and 70 with light arts. That's roughly a 16% decrease in MP cost rather than the usual 10%.

This acceleration of MP-decrease is also enhanced by the use of divine seal and penury. using the same values as before, Penury causes Cure V to cost 9 mp, divine seal 18 mp, and using both makes you actually gain 43 mp (edit: apparently not!).

The above examples are calculated using 100 mnd, 80 vit, 396 healing skill, 50% cure potency and orison pantaloons +2.

My math might be a bit rusty, and I sometimes have a tendency to forget about small but vital parts of calculations. Feel free to point out errors or inaccuracies if you find them.