Dynamis Update Petition.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

The vast majority of people who are against any change to dynamis are ls leaders that have been holding x amount of currency over a players head for a completed relic. They've seen their power dwindling away from them since abyssea was released, and this will be the proverbial straw. Only thing SE needs to do to make these changes be smooth is make it so drops go to the individual, or group that has claim on the mob when it dies. Changes such as a one time glass fee, anyone can enter the zone, and 24 hour cool down benefits players not leaders. Pretty easy to figure out who has a negative view of this update.

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Thanks for posting again in wrong thread, note in this thread i act neutral, so is why [i and other] are not going to say anything about it, but you might have better chance in:

[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!

I don't know why all the resistance? People still want lolRelic weapons? Dynamis is/was an event meant for level 70~75 people. Those days are over. Let go of the past people.

There are very few pieces of good armor left that come from Dynamis and to have to either join a LS and attend annoying runs that waste everyone's time or self fund a low man group for armor that barely makes a difference compared to current gear is extremely annoying.

And as far as not wanting to change because you'll lose the money from payouts.. are you serious? You can make more money a lot easier in the same amount of time it takes you to do Dynamis.

Changes to this event are needed, a lot. So instead of complaining about something that hasn't happened yet, try to embrace it. Do you really want to be playing the same content for the rest of your lives? FFXI is an online game and it evolves as it grows. This is a step that's needed in its evolution as Dynamis drops aren't anywhere near as useful as they once were.

Caelthunderwing/Ifrit as well as Florra/Fenrir

i can recall the hard times and fun days in Dynamis when they were as they are in the old days. :/

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Originally Posted by Ilax

For anyone that wan sign up this petition, i am forced to ask you to not put the reason. I wanted this thread to be clean of argument, but apparently some people [that i obviously don't need to name] are ready to reply to intimidate our decision about not supporting this update. I will immediately edit the main post about it.

I have to add, for who did not notice, the 'OP' was not giving any reason about why you should sign this, i did it so everyone are freedom to research and decide by they own. For sure, I did not create this thread as a rebellion again our great DEV, but more to give the power to who think this update is negative to voice they self.

Thanks everyone for taking time read/sign and not fighting in this thread.

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Decision-making without discussion always makes for bad policy. If you think these changes are bad, try to convince people with decent arguments and logic. It seems that there a quite a few people left for you convince. I think it is a bit naive to think you can start a "petition" on an online forum like this and expect people to add their 2 cents.

I think there are a few burdens you need to overcome before you can convince people that the change is bad.

1. You need to prove that the enjoyment of the few people that still do Dynamis outweigh the enjoyment of a much larger group of people that like the changes. Your argument, in essence, is that Dynamis should remain bad content because it keeps other people out of "your" zones. This argument is going to fall on deaf ears for the most part.

2. You need to prove that the changes are going to be bad for your enjoyment of Dynamis. I have seen plenty of posts that make many (mostly false) assumptions about the changes. Perhaps a "petition" would be a better option after you have seen the changes first.

If you want people to support you, then make a convincing argument for them to do so. Just saying "sign the petition, or don't post" is not going to accomplish anything.

/stomps feet

No No!!! i dont want to hear it!!!

NO!!!!!!

I dont want Dynamis updated!!!

NO!!!!!

/stomps feet

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a petition for something that's not even out yet is stupid

For #1 I did... For #2 i also did, but you just prove you can't read as many on this forum.

For last comment, I gave the link where they can talk if they wan, obviously, i have as much fun talking to my hamster then you guys.

Lack of action from MOD here, lack of respect for what i call 'bad update', in the end it all sound like:

[size=7]i should just shut my mouth. [/size]
(I used BIG character just to make you happy, i know this excite you ^^, no need to quote it.)

You know what? As much minority we are not loving this change (at top 1,000) if SE find that right to loose 20,000$ income / month, 240,000$/yr, that they problem. Enough been said here, and i retire myself from this terrible dumb argument. Have fun all, good luck in infinity argument this present post will cause, just you know i am already looking for something else that offer me a better challenge then this. [not like i really have choice atm anyway rofl]

I add up, thanks to all DEV for amazing challenge you gave me in the past, and hope you best luck in the next update you going to do for the game.

Yes, you should. And yes, it's their problem, and no, it doesn't bother them. Frankly I'd find it pretty silly that you'd quit over their effort to improve an event that hardly anyone even does anymore.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Yes, you should. And yes, it's their problem, and no, it doesn't bother them. Frankly I'd find it pretty silly that you'd quit over their effort to improve an event that hardly anyone even does anymore.

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Only reasons for them to emo, and quit:

1. They won't have almighty dynamis linkshell control over their member's. Shucks.

2. This will cut into their slave labor force. Boo hoo.

3. Won't have the zone to themselves. Whaaaaaa.

PS: They won't quit over these changes even though they threaten it.

I certainaly think all old content of the game should be looked at and made renewed. Where were at today in the mmo is not the day's of old thing have to be adjusted and improved for over all balance of the game the end. If dynamis get an overhaul I will welcome it with open arm's and im sure some will not like the changes but guess what that's life. In the end this is a childish argument that fall on false assumptions. I've been here since NA release to and relize this is still a mmo and with that in mind comes with continue evolution of the game mechanics etc. But I do respect the opinion's of other's and this is not attended to offend people view's!

I agree on dyna needs changing, I disagree with how it sounds it will change.
my biggest gripe is the sounding of making it WoE

This is comming from rambus of bismarck, please think things though in how to change it please.

Please just stop with this. Let the update happen first before you make assumptions. Dynamis will be more accessible to everyone I don't see what's so wrong with that.

Pointlessly QQ'n and not approving of an update that you don't even know the full details on is hilarious.

Disagree with update.

Dynamis really should be free for all the newer players they are trying to cater to.

Another swipe at also rmt imo

Redistributing mobs would just make it less stressful to farm with a small group ..

not many people do dynamis anymore so it really should be changed also.

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Originally Posted by bishop

Pointlessly QQ'n and not approving of an update that you don't even know the full details on is hilarious.

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I agree with you.

I like the concept behind this update

Good job guy destroying the thread, good job MOD of this forum for your no-action.

The thread is not "destroyed" because people disagree with you. You cannot tell people not to discuss the topic either. They have every right to do so.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

Probably because they're hoping for ways to cockblock and MPK entire alliances out of the zone so they can hoard all the AF2 and currency.

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from what i hear parties will not overlap

Disclaimer: I do not endorse the petition.

Reason: They are only making it this way in the first few dynamis areas, the four cities and outlands. The reason is, because CoP has been made much easier to progress through, so many dynamis ls's are filling dreamworld dynamis. So, they do not intend on changing how dreamworld dynamis runs are run, but the cities. So, relic is easier to pursue, but relic+1 and accessories will be the same difficulty. Also, drops will be party/alliance-specific, not available to everyone in the zone like it used to be.

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Originally Posted by KorPoni

Disclaimer: I do not endorse the petition.

Reason: They are only making it this way in the first few dynamis areas, the four cities and outlands. The reason is, because CoP has been made much easier to progress through, so many dynamis ls's are filling dreamworld dynamis. So, they do not intend on changing how dreamworld dynamis runs are run, but the cities. So, relic is easier to pursue, but relic+1 and accessories will be the same difficulty. Also, drops will be party/alliance-specific, not available to everyone in the zone like it used to be.

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^ ditto

10 character limit


ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto ditto

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Originally Posted by Ilax

Hello everyone, i figured it would worth for the DEV staff to be aware that a lot's of player as myself disagree about this update.

This thread is not created to talk about negative/positive impact of the update but more to give the right picture of who clearly not welcome such of change.

Posting in this thread mean you disagree with the update.

[SIZE="5"]Please do not say the reason[/SIZE]
because some would just fight about it or try intimidate your decision, and this thread is not intended for that.

if you have anything you would like to share, it can be done by using the other existing thread:

[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!

To DEV: This thread is not intended to cause any trouble to your great work, you guy are very awesome with your update, specially abyssea that of course is a major success :) Thanks you so much to give us such of nice update :cool:

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Increased accessability, good idea.
ANY adjustments to gear(No drop rates.), bad idea.
The vast majority of the complainers are people that their only source of in-game income is from selling currency not wanting to lose their cash cow.
Again.
Increased accessability, good idea.
Adjustments to gear(Not drops rates.), bad idea.
Dynamis is a dead horse.

Rather than complain about an update that hasn't even had specific details released yet..

Maybe you should make suggestions so it doesn't suck

Dynamis really needs to be more accessible to newer players...

There is very little interest in it among veteran players and making it easier for a small group to farm items would be a great change.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

The vast majority of the complainers are people that their only source of in-game income is from selling currency not wanting to lose their cash cow.

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False accusation.. Totalchaosls.com -> Ilax/Fenrir Mandau owner, Concon gungir owner, Littlechaos amano Owner, Angelus Aegis otw.

we do not sell currency, our sponsor spend around 34m + 6month to get relic, we are at our 4th relic completion, our LS is 100% close friend that do it only for fun. Our LS allow only 1 relic weapon max. I have already 16/20 AFv2 complete, do i really care for myself about this update, hell no, but i feel sorry for my friend and anyone on any server that never going to be able get they relic for 34m as we got able for our.

And when i say ONLY for fun, i am talking about me, i could have left long time ago, so littlechaos, cooncon to only name them. There also many of our member that are complete on they AFv2 since age, and they still coming, not because they really wan something out of it, but also because our ls is an social event 2x/week where people join on Skype and talk about they week, talk about what they saw on youtube and so on. Of course you might not give a heck about it, specially if you don't know what 'social event' mean...

Once again you think Mr. everyone will sell they 9 currency total they got from a 4h event for nothing? Expect to pay minimum 10k/currency, hello 186m per relic and only GIL Buyer might be able to afford that. But hey go ahead and keep argue in my petition thread, since MOD do nothing about it...

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Originally Posted by Ilax

but i feel sorry for my friend and anyone on any server that never going to be able get they relic for 34m as we got able for our.

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Feel sorry for the people who spent 34m on one relic, not the people who are now supposedly going to get it for free. The fact that you stated any monetary value only further proves how much you're trying to hold onto the income you make off of the zone.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Feel sorry for the people who spent 34m on one relic, not the people who are now supposedly going to get it for free. The fact that you stated any monetary value only further proves how much you're trying to hold onto the income you make off of the zone.

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stop your lol-accusation, and do more research about me, mkbye.

About currency prices..

making up fake numbers will not help you promote this petition... SE can adjust the drop rate of currency..

if anything the price of relics will drop




For the part about enjoyment of the challenge of dynamis

copy paste from other thread but holds true here too

There will be more challenges in the game.. dynamis isn't endgame anymore.. nor should it be considered as such...

I'm certain new challenges and actual endgame will be added by the lvl 99 update...

Who knows.. maybe they will add new dynamis zones geared toward lvl 99 players and we can still enjoy the dynamis mechanic as its meant to be enjoyed..

Beating dynamis at level 90 doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment...

and i feel it would be more productive to spend short periods of time farming relic gear for new players that need particular pieces then move on to more entertaining game content.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Beating dynamis at level 90 doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment...

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How many relic weapon you have again? oh wait 0, you right is not an accomplishment. try harder next time.

So your entire argument against an update is it will lessen your accomplishment?

All your other concerns have been addressed and thats the first you've mention that lol

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

So your entire argument against an update is it will lessen your accomplishment?

All your other concerns have been addressed and thats the first you've mention that lol

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My entire argument is about relic weapon and you know, so stop do your silly clown. Challenge was so much easy you say, but yet you don't tell me you have one relic weapon. Once again try harder next time, if you think is logical to pay 186m instead 34m and think is a good update then seriously you off track by a tons and should really stop posting your garbage.

If you have any decent reason to think i am wrong about it, then elaborate, if no then follow my first comment, stop posting again me.

Dynamis is the new Nyzul~ get it done for some fun stuff <AF/new WS> but spend too much time in it to get the crap weapons is stupid since Emph weapons are alot better @.@;;;

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Originally Posted by Unaisis

Dynamis is the new Nyzul~ get it done for some fun stuff <AF/new WS> but spend too much time in it to get the crap weapons is stupid since Emph weapons are alot better @.@;;;

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And what about who love to spend that much time in it? Just because you don't like it is 100% right to destroy my game play? And if E.Wep are so better, why even bother about me saying they should not do this update, and again tell me how the hell this update will help you on relic weapon, you said it, E.Wep are better so how this update is so great for you?

You not even able to tell me how much gil you would be ready to pay for 1 currency, nor you told me how long you think is logical todo a relic weapon. 20 yr is ok for you?

i ussually sell the currency i get from campaign for about 8k

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Originally Posted by Unaisis

i ussually sell the currency i get from campaign for about 8k

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because you do campaign just for currency? Now think back about it, 4h long 9 currency average, how much again you will sell it? Campaign is not 4h long and you sell currency for 8k go figure.

But anyway you gave me a price, is already good, 8k * 17,500 = 140m, well that already better then my 186m estimation, but still 4x more expensive then what we all paid for our relic weapon (34m) in the current system.

i dont care about making crappy weapons with currency lol i leveled alot of jobs in a short period of time and i would like to get some tasty AF for those jobs in a short period of time without the hassle of an ls point system or paying peeps for it. XD if i could go in daily to farm~~~~ that puts a smile on my face similar to the one in my sig hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Unaisis

i dont care about making crappy weapons with currency lol i leveled alot of jobs in a short period of time and i would like to get some tasty AF for those jobs in a short period of time without the hassle of an ls point system or paying peeps for it.

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I see what you mean, get everything with the less effort as possible (even at the cost destroying other fun), no worry you not telling me anything new about it, i knew there was plenty of people like that playing FFXI.


*Edit* As i posted already, SE should put your *dream lol useless AFv2* for sell in abyssea for only 1k cruor, tell me if i would care about it... Of course that still wont make you happy, because i clearly see your point here, the only thing that will make you happy is destroy the event itself.

why not~ if SE offers it, id gladly take it and am sure others will too~ XD


<edit> nice try on the editing instead of posting again~ XD

I wont deny that this update will most definitely Destroy Dynamis as we know it~

The price for currency will Rise and drop dramatically within the first 2-3 weeks or even months after this update. Although as soon as every has had their fill of Dynamis the price of currency will Rise higher than it is now. Now this is good for those Challenge seekers out there~ as it will be more difficult to get currency! While people that Buy currency will have it tough with the new prices~

Either way this is just a test phase SE is doing for Dynamis~ chances are that the next version update we'l see them raising the Currency drop rate~

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I still need my armors for enhanced Meditate and Reward +20%! >=) lmao

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Fixed the smile

Change is good and I think a dynamis over-haul is good. Maybe it will interest me in getting one(if its less of a hassle and more fun)after the update.

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Originally Posted by Ilax

My entire argument is about relic weapon and you know, so stop do your silly clown. Challenge was so much easy you say, but yet you don't tell me you have one relic weapon. Once again try harder next time, if you think is logical to pay 186m instead 34m and think is a good update then seriously you off track by a tons and should really stop posting your garbage.

If you have any decent reason to think i am wrong about it, then elaborate, if no then follow my first comment, stop posting again me.

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I think you confuse challenge with grind... I guess its a matter of opinion or w/e about how video games should be developed...

Just because something takes a looot of an item doesn't make it a challenge that requires skill or competence..

IE.. getting 10K moat carps isn't difficult.. except for the patience required lol

If you have some sense of entitlement and superiority because you managed to acquire a relic weapon (which fails now compared to empyrean weapons) you need a serious reality check.

Dynamis =/= challenge .. getting a relic weapon =/= challenge

Let go of outdated content and nobody cares about your sense of entitlement.. video games change and get updated... I seriously hope SE doesn't put any weight into your

"This update will ruin my epeen" argument lol

I can't believe you even put that forward.. makes you look like such a tool

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

If you have some sense of entitlement and superiority because you managed to acquire a relic weapon (which fails now compared to empyrean weapons) you need a serious reality check.

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... [never talked about this]

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Dynamis =/= challenge .. getting a relic weapon =/= challenge

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... [It is a challenge, if it was not, you would have one as everyone.]

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Let go of outdated content and nobody cares about your sense of entitlement.. video games change and get updated... I seriously hope SE doesn't put any weight into your

"This update will ruin my epeen" argument lol

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Just wow, hello mod where are you?, beep beep.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

I can't believe you even put that forward.. makes you look like such a tool

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... and i read a post in other thread that say i am the troll. This is getting so stupid.