new blm spells

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Originally Posted by Hayward

That BG narrative doesn't fly here. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

The same members of that charming society known as BlueGartr who spout this nonsense about "lazy" players are probably the same folks who have endorsed and used every exploit in the book, past and present, to preserve their "elite" status for the least amount of effort.

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

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Pretty much this.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Have you really never looked at Phalanx, Raise III, Refresh, or Utsusemi: Ni? Plenty of powerful spells come from BCNMs or from (previously) powerful NMs. Scorpion Harnesses and Haubergeons used to be exceedingly rare, too, back when D Ingots and V Claws were really hard to find and only dropped off HNM-tier monsters.

People were pissed off when Abyssea made the game easy. Now the Dev team is normalizing things again, and adding in content that isn't a gimme. People should be overjoyed.

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Yeah, and who was controlling that market in that area? the RMTs. I'm sure people are glad that they dont have to spend RL money to obtain decent gear in this game anymore.

If people were pissed that Abyssea made the game "too easy", guess what, they can quit the game too. As another person stated in that other blm spell thread, nobodys gonna miss em.

Katie, I don't think anyone called you lazy for simply asking if people have found out where/how to get the new spells. It's more directed at those who immediately start whining when it turns out the scrolls aren't buyable from npcs.

As for the scroll of ThunderV sold on Asura, that looks like a mule. Quite possibly someone who's trying to push the price way up from start. The scrolls will sell for however much people are willing to pay for them. Can't blame the seller only, it's just as much the buyer's fault when something is priced ridiculously high and still sells.

The negative attitude is astounding though - Can't do those BC fights. Don't have friends to do them with. Shout groups always fail. Can't do WoE. Don't have anyone to go with. Don't want to do those BC fights. Don't want to do WoE. Will never be able to afford the scrolls off the AH. Can't even make gil to be able to afford those scrolls from the AH.

With that kind of attitude towards it, then no, you will never get those spells.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

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the irony in this post is delicious.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

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If someone is willing to pay 8M for a scroll, someone will sell it for 8M. If someone is not, they will have to lower their price. Capitalism 101.

Even you could probably beat these HKCNMs, Hayward. They're that easy.

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the irony in this post is delicious.

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So were the free Nids/Cerbs/Khims

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Originally Posted by Rearden

So were the free Nids/Cerbs/Khims

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ok buddy, whatever you say (lol)

oh OK it just came across as saying i was lazy. i just don't have the time i once did to play and so i like how can be dun now with Les time. i hope it doesn't go to far down the old rode

Apparently, Comet also drops from WoE: http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/61007 (Again, not my screenshot.)

Look, I don't mind that we have to go do the BCNM for these spells, all I want is to have the npc warp you DIRECT to the bcnm area so you do not have to waste 20 mnts or longer to get there. And give us warp scroll after you complete one so we can repeat this over and over till we run out of seals. Also if they can raise the drop rate to 20% instead of 5%. This way people still have to make an effort if they want these spells but it is not a retarded grind where you get mostly nothing for almost 95% of the time. The old ways need to DIE and GO AWAY for GOOD!!!

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Look, I don't mind that we have to go do the BCNM for these spells, all I want is to have the npc warp you DIRECT to the bcnm area so you do not have to waste 20 mnts or longer to get there. And give us warp scroll after you complete one so we can repeat this over and over till we run out of seals. Also if they can raise the drop rate to 20% instead of 5%.

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And while we're at it, I want a pony, delivered straight to my Mog House.

Yes, give me a pony and gazilion gills while we are at it. There is nothing wrong in cutting the amount of backtracking you have to do to get to the bcnm. And raising the drop rate to a reasonable level - so that more people will do it, and there wont be any excuse for them to not do it.

Most of the posters here do not like the idea of bcnm, I am merely suggesting some ideas to make it less annoying and bring down the barriers so that more people will be incline to do it.

I don't have any problem with offering a warp to the BCNM entrance - if you can prove you've made it there once. (Scrolls of Instant Warp can be readily obtained in Port Jeuno already, so those don't need to be handed out with the orb or as part of the drops. And raising the drop rate... eh, we don't know what the drop rates actually are yet due to lack of sample size.)

As far as "how do you prove you've been there" - I seem to recall one of the minor annoyances being that you can't distinguish between a new orb and a used one. Add in "Cracked Orb (zone name)" items to the game. You trade your orb to the BC, you get the Cracked Orb in exchange. You head back to Shami, trade him the Cracked Orb, and now you get your teleports out to that BC zone... for a minor fee (any one seal seems appropriate considering that he thinks we're all suckers for giving up the seals).

Thus another annoying thread about S-E screwing over everyone because BCNMs are random etc etc. Guess what, thats an element to the game; an element that I like. This game has become too Care Bear as of late making everything easier. I for one wish it would go back to the haydays of difficulty such as traversing The Garden of Ru'Hemet the first time and such. Just suck it up, go leech your crap in Abyssea and collect seals and do your BCNMs/KCNMs/WoE/whatever else you want to do.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

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I'd like to echo this statement. This game pre-Abyssea was a joke. Insane amounts of time and work for very little reward. Abyssea allowed more casual players to work towards a goal and achieve that goal without extreme amounts of time involved.
The old way wasn't working, FFXI subscription numbers prove that. I really hope they don't take things backwards to pre-Abyssea mind sets....

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Originally Posted by Hayward

[Comment deleted by Moderator]. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

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I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

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Ad hominem some more.

It's been a whole two days since the patch and you're flailing about because the scrolls arent on an NPC for a low price. Classic whining if I ever saw it.

Like I said before, the prices will crater when people discover the sources, exploit the sources for other treasure and get BLM/BRD/NIN/DRK and WHM scrolls as a byproduct. Before you know it, the scrolls drop from millions to just a couple hundred K or less. It's like Christmas magic or something.

If you want the scrolls so bad, I suggest exploiting those sources or sitting back and waiting. Only suckers buy new items post-patch and anyone who has played XI for any period of time knows that those prices will even off when the initial hype dies off.

For someone who claims to champion the cause of casuals, you're pretty dense regarding the potential for the "layman" to make millions off an idiotic rich player willing to pay a king's ransom to epeen the first sale of a new item.

Post-patch has always been the best time for casual players to rake in tons of cash with little effort so I fail to see your connection between these scrolls and BG. You're seriously drifting towards tinfoil hat territory.

Unless you're calling all casual players lazy sods with no friends or resources to beat KCNMs. That'd be quite a stretch on your part, wouldn't it?

having played this game sins it came in NA i can truthfully say i like the game better now then pre-abyssea

but theirs always going to be that small and really loud troop that clamor for this game to be super hard and a huge time sink because in there warped way of seeing things it makes them cool and better for liking to spend 12+hrs camping a NM's .

I'm taking the whole sit back and wait for the scrolls to drop in price approach to it, theres only 4 new spells, one of which isn't much of a priority, given how useless Break is. Its not like I don't have 13 other jobs I can play.