Fundamental Game Play Issues

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Nothing like watching yourself get raised, eat an aoe and swap back to being dead on the ground. Just make raise switch you to the idle stance and allow instant running already.

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I agree with this in terms of functionality. But in terms of aesthetics it probably wouldn't go over well. It would look...bad is the best word I have right now, to go from dead to standing instantly. And aesthetics are a big motivator. If the game just looked bad there would probably be fewer players.

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Originally Posted by Feynman

I agree with this in terms of functionality. But in terms of aesthetics it probably wouldn't go over well. It would look...bad is the best word I have right now, to go from dead to standing instantly. And aesthetics are a big motivator. If the game just looked bad there would probably be fewer players.

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If they want to keep the aesthetics then make the whirly raise animation a moment of invincibility until you've disengaged or allow people to toggle it on or off.

That would work. Or treat the character kind of reverse from the way a mob that just respawned is. You know when a mob respawns and it doesn't aggro or link for a few seconds. Just make the raised character "invisible" to the mobs for a few seconds. In effect the same thing you said really.

.....or just fix Tractor so you can be nowhere near AoE when you get up.


Also, after having 2box'd for four months, I've had a new pet peeve: /follow not working on invisible targets

Why? I can lock camera and auto-run into the target which is exactly how /follow essentially works (without the camera lock), so I don't see why the command equivelant is locked off in that situation.

How about the fact that you're discouraged to attack monsters now as you're much too busy staring at their heads for a little exclamation mark set before you're allowed to fight them. Doesn't THAT make for great gameplay?

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

It's been said before but i'll say it again just for kicks:

Ditch the stupid raise animation already.

Nothing like watching yourself get raised, eat an aoe and swap back to being dead on the ground. Just make raise switch you to the idle stance and allow instant running already.

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No need to ditch the animation, just need to make it (and all other animaitons for that matter) not lock your movement.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

.....or just fix Tractor so you can be nowhere near AoE when you get up.


Also, after having 2box'd for four months, I've had a new pet peeve: /follow not working on invisible targets

Why? I can lock camera and auto-run into the target which is exactly how /follow essentially works (without the camera lock), so I don't see why the command equivelant is locked off in that situation.

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Because you can't see invisible people [ideally].

Just want to say that I agree with Byrth on this. I'd be okay with delaying new stuff if the old stuff was just fixed.

I understand how much time and resources programming takes but honestly it's worth it. If these issues were fixed I'd say it'd be worth more than the last year of updates. A culmination of horrible game mechanics can make an interesting game a chore to play. It's difficult to like a game that drives you up the wall half the time. These changes are long over due.

While we're at it, I wanna point out that I hate how you can't drop 10 feet between ledges on the way to Ordelle's Caves [and many other examples], but you drop down a frickin' cliff and onto imps in Uleguerand Range [A].

Have Absorb-Stat Spells stack with Cruor Buffs already.

Not that they get used anymore except in the backline when weakened, but jesus, a year having neglected this is worrysome.

I think buffing yourself up with buffs from a NPC takes a long time. Everytime you get a buff you exit the menu and have to target the npc again and go through the menu again if you want another buff. While playing with 1080p resolution, only having 3 options viewable at the same time really gets crammed.

If you were like me, you never bothered with getting buffs from campaign because of the menu is a nightmare to navigate plus constant "Event skipped" messages.

That's a good point... would work for Atma menus as well, or Dom Ops menus... increase the menu size, or make it customizable. Would help a lot to navigate them faster.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

That's a good point... would work for Atma menus as well, or Dom Ops menus... increase the menu size, or make it customizable. Would help a lot to navigate them faster.

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I could go with an FFXI config tool option where we can scale the size of the interface. I usually have FFXI set at half of my monitor's native resolution just so I can actually read the text without leaning forward, but it comes at the cost of the game visuals not looking as crisp.

There's a very simple reason /stal is unrelated to the topic, this thread is about a request to fix a stupid game mechanic, not how to work around it. We know how to work around it already; the question is why we should need to work around it at all.

the para item loss? yeah, that's just sloppy programing. If para prevents you from taking an action that would include using an item.

the JA lock? ok, here I would like this modified, not eliminated. speaking as a thief, i want the initiation of SATA to lock the other player and the target in place until it's completed. It's a core job ability that is almost completely useless without some type of lock. It doesn't seem to matter if you announce it or go stealthy, whoever is being SATA'd almost invariably moves before it goes off.

the reengage lock... major problem for all my non-pet jobs. My pet jobs I can Switch Target and let my pet finish off the current one, all other jobs i have to leave auto-attack on and just hope my party autos to the same mob, especially when we have sleepers on crowd control. At least i'm courteous enough to the sleepers not to get off the mob I just woke until they say they are ready to resleep it (I'm a 90 bard, when people stop bothering with target control I stop bothering with crowd control, hate for the same to happen to me).

Many of the delay calculations seem to just defy all logic. Some are downright maddening. The raise followed by the 3-5 second stun effect while you are still vulnerable to damage. Simple answer if you can't get rid of the delay... add a 7 second Invincible effect to raise. The inability to engage anything that is using a JA or spell on you until it completes (except stun, sleep or para, then it actually makes sense). What makes these even more unfair is that mobs don't suffer from the same limitations, so clearly they don't HAVE to be in the game.

A treasure issue that's always driven me nuts is if I am TRYING to pass or lot an item, but 1 above it drops out of the pool, unless I'm on the bottom item in the pool I'm suddenly passing the wrong thing. I lost my 1st bard relic body this way, as I was raised with about 17 seconds left on the counter while I was passing the war item just above it in pool as the 100 piece dropped to a leader. For fast kill areas like dynamis quartermaster simply isn't a viable alternative, not that I've ever even seen it tried.

That's all I can think of right now...

I would like to see the campaign menu fixed. It is rather irritating trying to navigate through with NPCs, monsters, and lag all bombarding the player at once.

I love signing up for a union while getting bombarded with shell and protect from the npcs, causing an event skip. I've stopped signing up for unions just because of this issue.

10/10 Would read again

Here's one I think we could all agree on that isn't exactly battle-engine related......


* Auction House is a pain in the Dhalmel to buy/sell on.
- No quick and easy means of looking up an item on the Auction House within the game
- No efficient means of checking the price history of an item without either going through the menus to look it up (slow), or place the item on AH and check history from there (risky)

Solution? Add a search option and have a price history button when you go to sell something.

I even whipped up a quick picture to show a no-frills example of an implementation.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...shouldhave.jpg




I shouldn't have to go to a FFXI fansite to figure out what portion of the AH some obscure items are listed under. :(

I would never sell my lovely Carapacho Cuffs, was the only sellable I had handy on the test server >.>

Oh my goodness I couldn't agree with the OP even more.
We need an official to look at this thread.

The delivery box system has 8 slots, only being able to send/receive 8 items at a time is the biggest reason why I don't have a mule. Not to mention the "Please wait a little longer" message that pops up if you exit the Delivery Box by mistake or have to take out more than 8 items. I think the delivery box size should be expanded and the time it takes to send / receive items should be greatly reduced.

JA-lock is a huge frustration. I really shouldn't have to build in gearswaps just to blink my character when I use JAs. I enjoy all the animations that came with subbing Scholar, but I absolutely hated getting locked in place. It's the kind of thing that can get you killed, so now I just blink every time I use those JAs and I don't get to see what they look like anymore. This is poor design and fixing it should be pretty high on the to do list.

I'm probably going to have to do the same thing for Corsair and I'm not looking forward to that since the animations tell me what I've rolled well before it shows up in my chat log.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Never experienced any of these things.

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I think this is, without a doubt, the dumbest or most oblivious post ever made on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Wonderful post by Byrth, as usual :)

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Thank you. Rated.

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

Have Absorb-Stat Spells stack with Cruor Buffs already.

Not that they get used anymore except in the backline when weakened, but jesus, a year having neglected this is worrysome.

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I think this is a larger gameplay mechanic than something specific to asborb spells. For example, TP moves that typically have an HP Down/max HP down type effect don't proc in abyssea

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Never experienced any of these things.

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I have experienced ALL of these things. I have even mentioned it in my own threads.
I call it the "sigh-factor" ^_-

I agree with the OP. I think that these issues should be looked into.

BUMP 4 GREAT JUSTICE

know wut i hate when u have auto target on and instead of it auto selecting the closest target in a group of mobs i swear it will pick the one furthest away, seconds tend to count in situations like that.

Auto-Target does not work for me if any of the mobs are out of view. I gotta position myself such that my next target is ahead of me.

Fortunatly, SE has coded such that most people will Auto-Target the same mob.

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Originally Posted by Falseliberty

BUMP 4 GREAT JUSTICE

know wut i hate when u have auto target on and instead of it auto selecting the closest target in a group of mobs i swear it will pick the one furthest away, seconds tend to count in situations like that.

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Wow, I completely forgot about that. The auto-targeting in these cases is extremely retarded. Ten mobs right in front of you and it is bound to pick the one far out of range. That should really be looked into.

At least its consistent and will pick the same mob for everyone granted they are looking at it

Edit: but this could be updated to where "x" player is set as the assist and no matter what the game autotargets that players monster regardless of when he changes target, etc.

I think Autotarget targets the lowest HP red mob in sight, or in the event that there is only one red mob in sight, it targets that. I don't know how they could really make that better, except to remove the sight requirement.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

I think Autotarget targets the lowest HP red mob in sight, or in the event that there is only one red mob in sight, it targets that. I don't know how they could really make that better, except to remove the sight requirement.

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Behave like the normal default-target system, I guess. Like, if you hit the Tab key while not targeting anything.

To be fair, I didn't know there was any system to it, I never noticed anything before, other than it's never the one you wanted.

@ The people who think that gear swapping is uncouth or outdated let me just say from a BLM with capped EVERYTHING point of view that even though I have full AF3+2 I still gear swap A LOT why? because not only do my STAFFS help out DIFFERENT spells but also because I like to squeeze out ever extra dmg I can. I do the same on my Melee jobs also. Gear swapping is knowing what piece of gear to use with what ja/ws/ma. I know that with the now cookie cutter gear and zerg everything mentality that abyssea has brought upon the game, that only veteran players that were around before understand these types of concepts so I wont say that you're 100% wrong. Everyone has their own play style. I am old school and therefore spend hours formulating and testing different gear to see what works best, because I like to see big numbers. Prior to abyssea it took gear swapping and knowing your job to make those numbers push the limits.

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Originally Posted by Rubicant82

@ The people who think that gear swapping is uncouth or outdated let me just say from a BLM with capped EVERYTHING point of view that even though I have full AF3+2 I still gear swap A LOT why? because not only do my STAFFS help out DIFFERENT spells but also because I like to squeeze out ever extra dmg I can. I do the same on my Melee jobs also. Gear swapping is knowing what piece of gear to use with what ja/ws/ma. I know that with the now cookie cutter gear and zerg everything mentality that abyssea has brought upon the game, that only veteran players that were around before understand these types of concepts so I wont say that you're 100% wrong. Everyone has their own play style. I am old school and therefore spend hours formulating and testing different gear to see what works best, because I like to see big numbers. Prior to abyssea it took gear swapping and knowing your job to make those numbers push the limits.

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Wrong thread? I don't see anyone here complaining about gear swapping.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Wrong thread? I don't see anyone here complaining about gear swapping.

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He may have been refering to the OPs sight on gear swaps which was quickly shot down seeing as none-retarded people have no issues with gear swaping and have fully understood it is NEEDED in this game to be anywhere near good.

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Originally Posted by Vortex

He may have been refering to the OPs sight on gear swaps which was quickly shot down seeing as none-retarded people have no issues with gear swaping and have fully understood it is NEEDED in this game to be anywhere near good.

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You may be referring to a different OP then, because this one neither complained about gearswaps, nor was he shot down, on the contrary, rated up about 62 times.

Naw, he's referring to this. I never said anything against gear swaps.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

* Blinking/losing target after target gear swaps - The person you're targeting and their position are independent of the clothes they're wearing, so why is it programmed to break focus when someone gear swaps? This is annoying.
** Blinking on your own and losing "locked on" status - If you blink while locked on to a monster, you lose the locked on status and have to re-lock it before you can do things like strafe around the monster. Seems like an outgrowth of the above problem. Why was this designed this way?

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Since a half-dozen people have strove to misunderstand this bit, I'll try to expound on it:

Changing equipment is vital to not being horrible at FFXI, the purpose of macros, something I and many others enjoy, etc. so why do we get punished for changing trousers by losing our lock on whatever monster we're hitting?

It's as if someone installed a hole to let the heat and steam out of a coffee cup...on the very bottom of the cup. We have plenty of ways to get around this "feature" (<stal> and <stpt> work in some cases, third party programs work in all cases), but that doesn't mean the "feature" is intelligently made.

If the development team can change this without two weeks of work and sending a virginal intern into the server room as a sacrifice, maybe they should.

I understand the need for gear swapping but it kills me being on WHM trying to cure some one who's changing equipment every time they WS with HP in yellow/red. It's the worst when I'm locked on or even just targeting to the main tank with usually two other DD on a NM.
More unfortunate being some one who plays on a console and not PC so I'm without things such as a windower for aid.

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Originally Posted by Soranika

I understand the need for gear swapping but it kills me being on WHM trying to cure some one who's changing equipment every time they WS with HP in yellow/red. It's the worst when I'm locked on or even just targeting to the main tank with usually two other DD on a NM.
More unfortunate being some one who plays on a console and not PC so I'm without things such as a windower for aid.

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You serious? that is what <stal> is for -_- it does not lose the target, no matter what they do.