Current Limit Break Quest *95*

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Prove me wrong then. Where is your proof that your original post in this thread is correct and will happen? By then you will have proven me wrong. Otherwise my point still stands.

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gift me the game on steam ill sign up for the test server then~

OP updated with new info

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But there are more things on BG that are completely wrong than there are that are correct and verifiable. Which is why I say that the information on BG is limited, and needs to be reproduced personally to find out if the findings are, essentially, correct.

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Uh... like what? Find, I don't know, maybe five examples? And show us another site that is anywhere close to being as comprehensive as BG is. Please. Take your time.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

OP updated with new info

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I can confirm Quadav Backscale as an requirement too.

kk ill make the change in a bit

Was looking at the threads and seeing people demanding proof...

I flagged teh quest day 1 when it was still in japanese so I can't get the chat log now, but I went back to the moogle and verified what items I needed (and the quest is flagged in my quest list)

So here is proof

Okay, looks like it's one Kindred Crest, plus an arbitrary Ex item, so far.

EDIT: People who have auto-bumped themselves to 95 can look back at the cutscene with the NPC in Ru'Lude Gardens. Add to the list of second items a Dangruf Stone.

Dear SE,

If you'd made it a Ghoul Skull instead of Dhalmel Saliva I think people would have had an easier time getting the joke.

<3,
Scaevola

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Originally Posted by TybudX

Uh... like what? Find, I don't know, maybe five examples? And show us another site that is anywhere close to being as comprehensive as BG is. Please. Take your time.

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When I want to kill some time and have a laugh, I'll browse this site, alla, and the media thread on BG.

When I want information on new things introduced to the game and how to play, I'll go to the Standard Section in BG.

updated OP again

UGh another mini game!? i hate mini games i suck so hard at them.. it took me like 45 mins to beat the stupid fighting one from the last update!!! please no mini games :(

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Originally Posted by Babygyrl

UGh another mini game!? i hate mini games i suck so hard at them.. it took me like 45 mins to beat the stupid fighting one from the last update!!! please no mini games :(

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it took you 45mins to beat rock paper scissors ? what were you playing with raptor jesus or something?

Oh my gawd what a loool thread... I can't believe how many babies are here fighting over "something that's subject to change". Well, that matter which was info from those who actually played on the server probably just wanted to show off.

The Moogle could've requested x2 copper ores and the world would be going nuts. ROFL!

My lord, treat the forum like it's for SE, we're not in BG or anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by TybudX

Uh... like what? Find, I don't know, maybe five examples? And show us another site that is anywhere close to being as comprehensive as BG is. Please. Take your time.

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1)BG comprehensible ? funny. The little amount info that you can find there is digged into hundreds pages long threads.
2) If I want info on monk, I go to the alla forum then to the official forums.
3) If I want dat mining info on the day of the VU I poke the alla bookmarks from my favorite webbrowser.
4) If I want specific information on the game ... wiki obviously.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

1)BG comprehensible ? funny. The little amount info that you can find there is digged into hundreds pages long threads.
2) If I want info on monk, I go to the alla forum then to the official forums.
3) If I want dat mining info on the day of the VU I poke the alla bookmarks from my favorite webbrowser.
4) If I want specific information on the game ... wiki obviously.

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thats cuz your banned till 2012.. try harder pchan and alla for monk has been horrid for years id go back to killingifrit long before id ever ask alla.

Thanks for the information on the future limit break. Yes, yes, I get that it's subject to change and all that (as is everything on Undine) but it's nice to have a rough idea of what to expect when it goes live.

On a side note... WOW.. so many drama queens! I can't even count the number of posts in this thread belittling Bluegartyr for one reason or another or desperately trying to discredit the limit break, despite countless players on Undine reporting the same thing. Lighten up guys, its only a game!

Not sure what Bluegartyr did to get such a response out of people, but I've always found the majority of their information to be reliable. Sit back, take your vitamins and try to see this for what it is. A player communicating their information to the masses.

After looking at the quest CS itself on the test server, the text and requirements are correct. Just skimmed through the pages so don't know if it's been put up but Orcish Axe is one of the possible needed items.

And huge props to the cutscenes being an homage to Puella Magi Madoka Magica! Made me laugh so hard when I realized it.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

thats cuz your banned till 2012.. try harder pchan and alla for monk has been horrid for years id go back to killingifrit long before id ever ask alla.

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I think it's funny when the only tool that BG uses nowadays for calculting DPS is a spreadsheet made by kinematics originally on the Alla MNK forums, then it extended to several melee jobs, when the monk forum gets threads explaining which weapon is better and how much with each level cap. You never see such deep math on BG, sorry. I wonder if any of them is able to compute an exact WS damage or an exact #rounds per WS. I think we've seen too many hilarous posts of BGer coming here explaining us how relics can be better than empy for instance, some of them admitting they don't own an empy.

I'm loving the tags this thread has been given.

Also pchan never learnt how to use the search function, and he got banned for being pchan, so naturally he's going to be butthurt and bias against BG.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

1)BG comprehensible ? funny. The little amount info that you can find there is digged into hundreds pages long threads.
2) If I want info on monk, I go to the alla forum then to the official forums.
3) If I want dat mining info on the day of the VU I poke the alla bookmarks from my favorite webbrowser.
4) If I want specific information on the game ... wiki obviously.

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1. Info is still there, how it's formatted is irrelevant.
2. Got me there.
3. DAT mingin info gets posted everywhere the day of VU. You only go to Alla because you are baaaaaaned from BG.
4. Really? Have they solved that whole weakness targeting thing yet? I've been waiting on the edge of my seat for that info.

UGHHHHHHHH!!!! Another 10 merits.

Building upto the 20 at 95-99

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Originally Posted by TybudX

1. Info is still there, how it's formatted is irrelevant.
2. Got me there.
3. DAT mingin info gets posted everywhere the day of VU. You only go to Alla because you are baaaaaaned from BG.
4. Really? Have they solved that whole weakness targeting thing yet? I've been waiting on the edge of my seat for that info.

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It's just a temp bant, he'll be back soon enough to get himself banteded again... In 2012!

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I think it's funny when the only tool that BG uses nowadays for calculting DPS is a spreadsheet made by kinematics originally on the Alla MNK forums, then it extended to several melee jobs, when the monk forum gets threads explaining which weapon is better and how much with each level cap. You never see such deep math on BG, sorry. I wonder if any of them is able to compute an exact WS damage or an exact #rounds per WS. I think we've seen too many hilarous posts of BGer coming here explaining us how relics can be better than empy for instance, some of them admitting they don't own an empy.

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Except those spreadsheet are often, often, often wrong and misleading. They are useful as a quick look at a piece and what it might add over another...but I don't know anyone who uses those as gospel, as often enough any math done usually finds an error in what those spreadsheets provide.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

UGHHHHHHHH!!!! Another 10 merits.

Building upto the 20 at 95-99

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Do you somehow not have capped merits by now? I don't understand your anguish.

As I have stated in other threads, I always admit when I'm wrong.

Well, here it is, I'm wrong.

It is possible that the OP is right, although still subject to change, and it is possible, however unlikely, that the player will need to get a Dhalmal Saliva to break cap.

I'm not wrong when I state that BG is semi-informative, because an informative website wouldn't have all of that idiotic dribble that BG has. The ratio of informative to non-informative dribble that website has is about (estimation) 1:500 posts. You can not say with a straight face that BG is informative at all.

I don't even trust BG wiki because most of that website was a complete copy of Gamer Escape and the original wiki. The only thing that people have added were the mathy parts of minor issues. I trust GE more than I trust BG for current and accurate information.

Also, mods really should start banning people for inappropriate use of the tags, like they said in the ToS that they would.

FYI, all those items are the same items used for the job emote quests. Some are a pain in the butt, picture 50 people trying to farm 15 mobs for Eastern paper which has a 5% drop rate.

Why doesn't SE ever learn from their mistakes? So prepare for competition, luckily I picked up 9 of the items last night just incase, not going to get pissed off trying to claim a yagado like it was a 24 hour pop hnm.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

FYI, all those items are the same items used for the job emote quests.

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Not all of them are; some of them are for the Moogle addon's first quest, the Dangruf stone is used for one Bastok quest and (for some people) unlocking BLU...

It really does look like it's "one random Ex item" for that, and you're probably going to get stuck with something really obscure that you don't have.

Maybe they will smarten up and just make it merits and the crests, what is their issue and need to make people run all over the place for some random item just to create a time sink.

I would be fine just get rid of the limit quest, you log on, you can go higher, there really is no need to keep doing these quests. It made some sense in the past, it was part of the learning process of your job, moving you around the area, etc from 50-75, i just don't see the point now unless it is just to waste your time.

lol@BG Wiki being a copy of anything

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Originally Posted by Rearden

lol@BG Wiki being a copy of anything

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Are you going to tell me, with a straight face, that BG is the first source for everything in this game?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

As I have stated in other threads, I always admit when I'm wrong.

Well, here it is, I'm wrong.

It is possible that the OP is right, although still subject to change, and it is possible, however unlikely, that the player will need to get a Dhalmal Saliva to break cap.

I'm not wrong when I state that BG is semi-informative, because an informative website wouldn't have all of that idiotic dribble that BG has. The ratio of informative to non-informative dribble that website has is about (estimation) 1:500 posts. You can not say with a straight face that BG is informative at all.

I don't even trust BG wiki because most of that website was a complete copy of Gamer Escape and the original wiki. The only thing that people have added were the mathy parts of minor issues. I trust GE more than I trust BG for current and accurate information.

Also, mods really should start banning people for inappropriate use of the tags, like they said in the ToS that they would.

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Nevermind that BG-wiki preceeded GE.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Are you going to tell me, with a straight face, that BG is the first source for everything in this game?

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Most stuff, yes. You may not know this, but Wiki has found writers plagiarizing off BG-Wiki/BG threads and only recently has it come to their attention. If you want to start making an argument for originality, start looking at the sources for topics and you'll find the most moderate-late-recent (Not early before BG became a general forum) information and see who provided the information. Chances are that it is someone from BG who posted it in a thread or it appeared in a BG thread first without citation. Not to mention BG-Wiki a better track record for citing information. Some information was derived from Alla by people who frequent both sites, so those pieces of information are washes in general, but favor BG over GE in originality.

Honestly, work picked up and I haven't looked for plagiarism in months. It looks like it's going to shake down like this:
BGwiki - Information on new stuff, mathy things, etc. Added benefit of having a fairly spartan layout and no ads.
Wikia - Will have the bulk of the user-submitted comments, things like BCNM testimonies or where to go for Magian trials.
GE - I'm not sure. At the moment it's almost exclusively information ripped from wikia or bgwiki, with the same number of ads and goofy layout as wikia. The only advantage it has over wikia is active moderation, so the only reason for people to use this is if the trolling on ffxiclopedia gets so bad that it becomes unusable.

I'd like to dream people may someday edit BGwiki the way they edit wikia, but fact of the matter is that Wikia is what the majority of FFXI users know and use, and BGwiki has spare exposure by comparison. It's not really the 1000+ edit members that bgwiki lacks as much as the 10 edit members.

Still, it's fun for me to go through and rework things like job abilities , job traits , and game mechanics to see what we know and what we don't. I'm having fun when I have time to invest in it, so I'm more than happy to keep updating bgwiki. Be forewarned, some of it (like the latter half of the trait alphabet) is still a work in progress. The test server is a *very* fun tool for stuff like this though.

op is updated with orcish axe. ill update links to all the items when im fully awake.

@lol pchan

and omg you guys and the tags.

The word you're looking for is "drivel", not "dribble", Korpg. And BG tends to be reliable on this sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

@lol pchan

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You didn't like how mathed your WS gear to be bad ?

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Originally Posted by Aver

Nevermind that BG-wiki preceeded GE.

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I know that, but Wiki preceded BG wiki. And is more used also.

Like I said, the majority of the information came from wiki, and the newer content can be found on both GE and BG. I use GE mostly because it has most of the information from wiki, and some of the useful stuff from BG (a combination of both, instead of having to check 2 different websites for different information). But GE is also self-correcting, so it would be more accurate than the limited viewpoints of BG.

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Originally Posted by Yugl

Most stuff, yes. You may not know this, but Wiki has found writers plagiarizing off BG-Wiki/BG threads and only recently has it come to their attention. If you want to start making an argument for originality, start looking at the sources for topics and you'll find the most moderate-late-recent (Not early before BG became a general forum) information and see who provided the information. Chances are that it is someone from BG who posted it in a thread or it appeared in a BG thread first without citation. Not to mention BG-Wiki a better track record for citing information. Some information was derived from Alla by people who frequent both sites, so those pieces of information are washes in general, but favor BG over GE in originality.

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What is wiki anyway, besides a compilation of sources of information into one simple to use website. Are you going to start accusing all wikis of "stealing" information then? Wikis are great places to start looking for information and can expand on that information based on sources (FFXI wiki doesn't really need sources since most of the information there can be verified on the game, not from other sources of information (forums), you can do the missions and battlefields from the information on the wiki instead of having to look at pointless jabber (BG, KI, FFXIAH) for pages on end to get the little jewel of information those websites offer on occasion).

It is funny to claim knowledge on a game. There is no real plagiarism because all aspects of your knowledge is based on a recreation activity and not on actual important information you would need to make real decisions of your life. But keep fighting for the right to say that you came up with that aspect of how to swing an axe on an online game.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You didn't like how mathed your WS gear to be bad ?

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byakko : ( (1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)*2.25+(1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)+3)*(76+11+0.85*0.6*140)*( 0.31*2.3*1.14 +0.79*1.3)=2071

usukane :
( (1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)*2.25+(1+0.03*2+(1-0.03)*0.21)+3)*(76+11+0.85*0.6*145)*( 0.30*2.3*1.10 +0.80*1.3)*1.03=2119

thats 2071 vs 2119 your talking 48 difference pchan 48... thats less then 1% dps difference

also I HAVE USU LEGS your retarded if your going to attack someones gear make sure they dont have the resources to change there gear instantly to the better set. let alone try and act high and mighty of a less then 1% difference.


critical : 10% base on Victory smite, 10% from ddex, merits, before leg.
ive already dis proven that to be incorrect with a quick abyssea test VS's natural crit rate is at least double what they tested closing the gap on the legs further.

troll harder

P.S. anyone else see the hypocrisy in pchan trying to be an elitist and call someone out on a 1% gear change XD

Just for your information, VS getting 20% base crit (not proven by you) makes your gear even more mediocre. I see I tought you something, it's called math. I only called you on the gear you wanted to show in that thread, acting like it's allmighty when it's actually below average, and pretty dumb seeing how you spammed tier III synergy for inferior gear. I also see that you posted in the augment thread on BG you wonderful pair of byakko maybe hping that someone wouls confort you in your bad gear choices. It means you don't know how to gear your monk, and are mad when called on it.

Well, two things I guess:
1) People aren't reading these values out of the game and posting them. They're doing testing and writing up/publishing their findings, which may or may not be correct. As such, taking the information they have written and re-/mis-representing it without a citation or permission is plagiarism.
2) They also just copypasta things I've literally written, drops I've made up, etc. The last time I looked for this it took me about 5 minutes to find it and Al fixed it within the week. I haven't bothered looking again since then really, because work has picked up.

It's not like information just appears out of nowhere. Once in a long time SE will throw us a bone and just tell us how things works, or publish some strategy guide in JP that lists trait tiers for obscure stuff like Resist Bind, but most of the time it's people taking hours out of their playtime to test things. Of everything on Wikia, the only thing I can think of that is actually de novo wikia-based research is the Drain Samba testing, which I've personally verified to be pretty accurate (I think it's actually N/256, but other than that he's pretty right). Most of the information there comes to you uncited by people who didn't do the testing and without the permission of the tester, or is cross- or first- posted on BG/elsewhere.