Give us CP!

Yeah... I still leveled everything to 76 the old way so I could keep my skills somewhat up to date (barring level-synch parties....spent a lot of time in Sky during the last few levels). But once I hit 76--it was aby-time to 90. So, yeah...it's really easy to justify when you were in game for a while pre FoV/Aby/GoV and such. ~850k xp the old way was more than enough to justify taking the fast track for the next ~750k.

What amuses me is the new players running around in low level gears that get into a leech spot and leap-frog large blocks of levels in one shot. Then they flood the LS with questions about all their job abilites and whatnot, need gil, CP/AN/IS, need gears they can't find on the AH. It can get kinda old after awhile.....

IF SE is going to keep tweaking the fast-track approach...they are going to need to do something to make all the other stuff (gear, CP/AN/IS, etc) more readily available for these players that aren't taking the slower route that makes these things more available as you are leveling/crafting and completing Rank Missions/quests/story lines and such.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

there is more to ADD then getting distracted. And yes spelling can be an issue, just ADD doesn't effect everyone the same. It can effect spelling by what I did, which was a word merge ( I typed mmorpg and rpg at the same time. since i was thinking of typing it and it got jumbled.) Also was a case of faulted hand eye coordination. Which I press the wrong key w/o realizing it.

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Yes... I know. I've been diagnosed with it too. I keep a notepad next to my computer with reminders of gear to double check before I head out to events, and I do occasionally merge words and omit entire words due to thinking past where I'm typing. As I said: Proofread your posts. ADD should not be used as an excuse to be ok with sloppy work. Work hard and get past its problems, take your medication, and don't use ADD as a crutch.

Back to the topic at hand, I also level semi-traditionally, soloing GoV for the most part. Really though, my pet peeve is the huge imbalance in difficulty in getting those. I can spend an hour soloing and walk away with 2k CP (And that's assuming a rather generous assumption that I'm getting 15k xp/hr on kills alone, WITH the proper moghancement). I can spend an hour in campaign and walk away with 15k AN. Or do beseiged and get 4000 IS.

I never once said you can't get the CP for stuff if you spend months levelling the old fashioned way. The problem is the CP to buy an aketon? I can get that in a DAY for allied notes. I have relatively little trouble getting IS too.

Yeah, I really wish they would do something about this. Trying to get all the titles and this would just take way too long.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

ADD should not be used as an excuse to be ok with sloppy work. Work hard and get past its problems, take your medication, and don't use ADD as a crutch.

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As yet another FFXI player with ADD, I completely agree with Urthdigger. I try as hard as I can to prevent myself from making sloppy posts, and I often go back to re-read my posts.

That aside, I also have to agree with Urth on his opinion that getting CP is very unbalanced compared to other forms of leveling. I'm not sure what the math for gaining AN in campaign battles is, but with the lowest medal I usually get around 1/2 of the exp I gain. If I got even HALF as much CP (so 25% without bonuses) , it would definitely encourage me to solo, duo, and trio more often.

Gotta love how a thread about something has turned into yet another "All about Rosina" Thread. Why hasn't she been banned yet? She adds nothing to any topic and only derails it when she does post something.

OP>"How can I get more CP"
Rosina> "I have ADD and don't have to type properly on an internet forum that isn't in any way texting or instant chat"
Everyone>"What does that have to do with CP?"
Rosina>"I have ADD, STOP INSULTING ME"

Anyone who hasn't read the thread and only the last post, I have now caught you up on the last 5 pages.

I like the idea of earning a chunk of CP everytime you complete a FoV or GoV. CP isn't very useful anymore but some people may find a use. Making it easier to get wont break anything either.

Some people benefit.
No one is negatively affected.

Why would you be against it?

I'd much rather more IS. I'm on 150000+ already wheras I only have around 1300 IS.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

I'd much rather more IS. I'm on 150000+ already wheras I only have around 1300 IS.

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From Camate 2 days ago

In the upcoming version update we will be making the following adjustments to Imperial Standing rewards:

• Amount of IS received for turning in an Archaic Mirror to an Imperial Gate Guard will increase
from 200 → 1000
• Amount of IS received for successfully bringing back the Astral Candescence will increase
from 1000 → 10,000
• Amount of IS received (base + bonus) when rescuing a prisoner will change as outlined below:

• Base amount
Serpent Generals: 150→1,500
Other: 100→1,000
　
• Depending on your rank you will receive a bonus as well:
Private Second Class: None
Private First Class: 5→50
Superior Private: 10→100
Lance Corporal: 15→150
Corporal: 20→200
Sergeant: 25→250
Sergeant Major: 30→300
Chief Sergeant: 35→350
Second Lieutenant: 40→400
First Lieutenant/Captain: 50→500

I shot my 6th final-full of bloodsweat/orphen Tears Patriarch's arrow back in the 75 cap days, right before they made it into a Quiver and Abyssea and the cap went up. I used my Free "Token" retrieval from the GM on the second one. I haven't been to normal EXP areas since. My CP is 6k...

I know there's probably a better arrow now(RNG is temp Shelved ATM), but I like to collect things and I want an Aketon on me and all my mules. Going price on those babies is like 300k on my server for a Run to Dbox NPC run back to Mog house body armor. Time is money :p

You got my vote, they should bump up the CP gained by a lot and I'd really like to get my Manniquin someday too so yeah, Garrison too. Also, whose done Eco-Warrior? That craps been in my quest pool for 6 years and not a soul wants to do it with me.

Old content needs new paint, also, needs its lead paint(Level Restrictions) stripped too.

Hell, I'd be happy with being able to trade 2 AN for 1 CP. I got so much AN, My Moogle Slip 03 is near full in the Campaign Section.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

I'd much rather more IS. I'm on 150000+ already wheras I only have around 1300 IS.

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So go do a besieged, it gives about 5000 each time. Hell, I got 1500ish from being AFK in al zhabi, getting KO'd sometime after it started and being dead for the whole thing (auto-HPd from 60min timer afterwards). You could prolly set your HP to al zahbi and just leave the game running for a few days and rack up points with no effort at all.

5000 IS for one besieged? I haven't done it in a while, did they already increase the IS gain? I thought that was scheduled for the coming version update.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

So go do a besieged, it gives about 5000 each time. Hell, I got 1500ish from being AFK in al zhabi, getting KO'd sometime after it started and being dead for the whole thing (auto-HPd from 60min timer afterwards). You could prolly set your HP to al zahbi and just leave the game running for a few days and rack up points with no effort at all.

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SE removed the Home Point in Al Zahbi years ago to alleviate congestion during besieges. Only way that still works is if you kept your Home Point there before they removed it and never changed your Home Point since.

Dedicated/Forgotten Mules only still got it.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

So go do a besieged, it gives about 5000 each time. Hell, I got 1500ish from being AFK in al zhabi, getting KO'd sometime after it started and being dead for the whole thing (auto-HPd from 60min timer afterwards). You could prolly set your HP to al zahbi and just leave the game running for a few days and rack up points with no effort at all.

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I've done Besieged and participating in it doesn't even get 2000 so I don't know where you got 5000 from....

PS. Besieged doesn't actually happen a lot when I'm playing it so it's not exactly hard running out of IS teleporting to places, it's certainly a damn sight harder to get than CP which are ridiculously easy to get.

Besieged gives somewhere in the region of 14k Exp and around 5k CP for a Lv8. If you would like screenshots I will hapilly take one next time it's on.

After blowing through all my CP for Voidwatch cells, an increase would be justified... especially since rates are so low.

What do you need CP for anyway?

I levelled a dozen jobs from 1 to 30 and got 80,000 conquest points doing that. It's really not all that hard to farm them up. Just strap on a lowbie job, get signet, and go killing.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I levelled a dozen jobs from 1 to 30 and got 80,000 conquest points doing that. It's really not all that hard to farm them up. Just strap on a lowbie job, get signet, and go killing.

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All except 4 of my jobs are Lv49 or over. It's like saying "If you're low on gil, do the Mage's Ballad quest to sell it". That's great advice, but for those who've already done that? Not so much.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

What do you need CP for anyway?

I levelled a dozen jobs from 1 to 30 and got 80,000 conquest points doing that. It's really not all that hard to farm them up. Just strap on a lowbie job, get signet, and go killing.

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What do people need CP for? See post above yours as an example.

Lowbie job? I only have 3 jobs that aren't lvl 90. Others don't have any jobs at all that aren't lvl 90.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

I've done Besieged and participating in it doesn't even get 2000 so I don't know where you got 5000 from....

PS. Besieged doesn't actually happen a lot when I'm playing it so it's not exactly hard running out of IS teleporting to places, it's certainly a damn sight harder to get than CP which are ridiculously easy to get.

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SE changed the exp/IS gain from Besieged not long ago. I confirm what others are saying, one lv 8 Besieged nets you around 4.5-5k IS.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

So go do a besieged, it gives about 5000 each time. Hell, I got 1500ish from being AFK in al zhabi, getting KO'd sometime after it started and being dead for the whole thing (auto-HPd from 60min timer afterwards). You could prolly set your HP to al zahbi and just leave the game running for a few days and rack up points with no effort at all.

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I thought you were supposed to get 0 reward for being dead at the end of besieged...?

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Originally Posted by Calintzpso

SE removed the Home Point in Al Zahbi years ago to alleviate congestion during besieges. Only way that still works is if you kept your Home Point there before they removed it and never changed your Home Point since.

Dedicated/Forgotten Mules only still got it.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but couldn't you set your home point when exiting a mog house?

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Maybe I'm wrong, but couldn't you set your home point when exiting a mog house?

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iirc, that is also disabled in Al Zahbi as well.

Hopefully they make the new merit system unearnble withtin abyssea. Bring back meriting at lv99 in old areas. Would balance the game better.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Maybe I'm wrong, but couldn't you set your home point when exiting a mog house?

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Nah, they removed that from Al Zahbi. I'd forgotten about it when I made my original point. Even so, afking in al zahbi instead of logging out should net you about 1500ish IS just from taking damage and dying from one besieged

Doc I need my cheese pizza fix.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Besieged gives somewhere in the region of 14k Exp and around 5k CP for a Lv8. If you would like screenshots I will hapilly take one next time it's on.

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Nah, I just did one and got like 6k IS. Was dead at the end though so no exp :p.

Is it just me though, or have some of the bosses been buffed? Lamia #9 had like 5 elementals with her that all hit for around 1000 damage per normal hit to me as a lv90 war, as well as nuking down the last couple generals like nothing. I don't remember they being that strong before.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I don't feel the game is about Exping. Its about endgame content. The Game should not be the grind. Exp is not what makes a game fun, its the big bosses, and endgame battles.

The way i see it, SE is simply making it easier for new players and old to experience endgame. Judging someone based on the way they get exp is just digging for an excuse to hate someone.

So much hatred.

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I think he may be speaking to the bigger problem of people burning through jobs so quickly that they end up at 90 with crap gear, little to no (player)skill and severely underleveled skills. There honestly is something of an epidemic of complete n00bs running around and I for one am fed up of it.

Maybe it's just because I've been playing since 2003, but I have almost no patience for newbies/idiots anymore in-game. I'm all for SE expediting the leveling process, lord knows it's been a very long time coming - but something needs to be done about the flipside of all that fast exp.

As far as skilling up goes, that's one thing I love to death in 14 - it doesn't even exist. I don't care WHAT SE says, Martial Master/Prouesse Ring/Skill UP foods etc don't do jack squat. Heck I've had faster skill ups up weapons after my salteena wears off on a number of occasions.

Can we please just have a skill-up atma already? Please? You've made leveling almost trivial, but that only generates new (and arguably worse) frustration in the form of skilling up, in particular guard, parrying, summoning, enhancing and healing magic are all a royal pain to keep capped.



Sorry for the off-topic rant there. As for CP, it's easy enough to get in all honesty... You should be racking in loads of it between FoV/GoV just make sure you have signet.

Meh, Maybe i'm spoiled because i have friends, But gimps never really bothered me, They only ruin their own experience... Since i never have to consort with them forcibly to get things done :X

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Originally Posted by Venat

Hopefully they make the new merit system unearnble withtin abyssea. Bring back meriting at lv99 in old areas. Would balance the game better.

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I don't get it. How would you limit it to older areas?

What use is CP once your character is able to leech in Abyssea?

No, seriously, what use is CP? I have tens of thousands on my two main characters and spend a good amount of time FoVing them together, I can't recall the last time I bought anything with CP beyond the occasional Instant Warp scroll if I use more than one or two a day.

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Originally Posted by Malacite

I think he may be speaking to the bigger problem of people burning through jobs so quickly that they end up at 90 with crap gear, little to no (player)skill

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Just to chime in and say it's a complete falacy that "no player skill" is in anyway linked to "quickly burning your job to 90". If you're a crap player at 90, chances are you would have been a crap player on your way to 90, whether you leveled slowly or burned the job. If you're a good player at 90, know how to research and gear your jobs properly, then leveling slowly or burning your job wouldn't have made any difference. I abyssea burned my mule's whm from 75 to 90 (and I inherited the account at 75) and my main's war to 90. Yet I can comfortably duo most KI NMs I need with little trouble.

It's a myth that you need to slowly level your job in order to "learn it" and become a better player. Good players will be good players, bad players will be bad players. How they leveled their jobs will not affect that outside of combat/magic skill gains which again comes back to good players will be good and bad will be bad as the good players will take the timer to skillup all they need after hitting 90.

Well, to be fair, there are some exceptions... BLM is an easy one, but there are others. Managing hate in a non-abyssea area can be important at times--something generally learned as you are grinding the levels outside abyssea and book burning alliances. Then there's the issue of timing abilites and support spells too--things are a bit skewed in Abyssea when you have the masssive stats and what-not. Subtle nuances in most cases, but it can be an issue if you aren't accustomed to having to balance something like MP cost against recovery in a long fight.