Is it just me..?

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Originally Posted by Rosina

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

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"I play ffxi because I like the colors!"

Let the rest of us be good at playing and good at gearing ourselves. Get that 110%, instead of the ~33% you're giving it by not gear swapping.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

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Is it possible you were hit on the head or ingested just strange external only liquid? because you are....well.....what's the word i'm looking for....i don't even think the word for you has been thought of yet.

Also, I just want to add that I've been 50% of an alliance's damage before under the following conditions: I was on Beast Master, using whatever high base damage axes had recently dropped from stuff myself and my buddies fought for +2 Empyrean items, and wearing equipment that came out of my moogle's junk drawer. A mixture of Perle, Dusk, a +1 Empyrean piece, and a +2 Empyrean piece; no Epona's Ring; something sad in my ammo slot; a weapon skill set even more mediocre; and I think I was using Flowerpot Merle just because it makes goofy sounds when it hits things.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that anyone else make an Empyrean Weapon or design a spreadsheet to determine which pair of pants is ideal for every occasion. I'd be filled with joy if most of the people I encounter randomly just grabbed the few friends required and spent the few hours required to procure a few decent atma and more than one slot to stick that decent atma in.

The best part of having 5 Empyreans and 2 Relics is rubying everything in all the XP parties I decide to grace.

It is fun to ruby shit when fools are screaming at you to stop.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

people been like this well before these came out. Example: NEEDING to be the best. NEEDING to gear swap to hit that extra % rather yhen relying on the skill in the party.

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What was the phrase you used? Something about how people who gear swap are just soloers in a pt? Hate to burst your bubble, but I'd say the person NOT swapping gear is the one without skill AND just a random soloer. If anything, the non-swappers are just giant leeches.

You give ONE example of how people gear swapped to do random spike damage to a mob and instantly dies because the mob changed targets. It's funny because the only people I EVER saw die from this were the idiots who didn't know how to gear swap nor when the proper time to weaponskill is. The people who do gear swap also have enough common sense as to when to gear swap and when to weaponskill.

Also, that one example doesn't cover anyone else in the party. What about the PLD tanks who gear-swap to a curing set to heal themselves and other party members, causing more enmity, allowing them to hold hate better, and switching into a DD set to generate more as well, or a DT set so they can tank better and survive while the rest of the party beats a mob down.
What about a whm who switches to a curing set when they cast, so that they perform larger cures without using as much MP, or a mp recovery set while resting so that everyone can get back to fighting.

Or best yet, a DANCER. You should know ALL about this one as it's your big job. Are you telling me you waltz and heal your pt in a body piece meant for flourishes or are you flourishing in a body piece meant for waltzes OR are you doing both in a tp body piece. Are you waltzing in a samba headpiece or samba-ing in a waltz headpiece? BOTH will hinder the party AND waste your TP.

Gearing yourself wrong and not gear swapping not only makes it harder for the rest of your party, it puts them in jeopardy of failing at what their doing, be it a standard xp party, or a big NM fight, or even a mission. Before you go on about how only elitist soloists gear-swap, know that you are spreading false information. It is a fundamental part of the game.
Btw, at this point, I'm assuming you are trolling, which congratulations, but tbh, I'd prefer to be trolled.

Now, onto the main topic of the thread. I don't have an empryean and I do get a bit miffed when they go around one-shotting all the mobs, in this case, worms. I like parties like those because they allow me to keep my skills up without being overly boring or frustrating. And before you say something about me being jealous or such, you show me a relic polearm or a mythic scythe or empryean club (etc. etc.) that a WAR can use.

Also, with capped ruby lights, you won't find azure light in the red chests, only gold, silver, and ebon. Yes, all lights are important, but I have all the time in the world to get ruby lights, I only have that brief moment to get azure and TEs.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

I don't want to seem like a b***h, but does anyone else HATE PTing with Empyrean users? They like 1-shot everything and make over half of the alliance look useless.

Then there are the ones who can't hold back, so while you're trying to build Azures, they are rubying EVERYTHING and they usually have some witty thing to say, for example; I was in a Sand Sweeper PT with a Verethragna PUP that rubied everything and told the BLMs to go Azure ephemerals. Upon asking where they are, he told the BLMs "I dunno, you're the BLM, you're supposed to know!"

So..is it just me?

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Well, if you are the BLM, you SHOULD know. And you should probably be EXPing on monsters that give no ruby light.

Why are you picking on empyrean users?? You don't need an empy weapon to cause this kind of problem.

Yet another perk of Hvergelmir... no ruby light EVER. "Yo, hold off on pearl light!" <-- this never happens.

Please don't start.

I'm guessing party invites don't happen often either.

He's right though, Hvergelmir will never give ruby light.

Neither will Farsha,

or Armageddon.

or Gambanteinn.

A relic/mythic/emperian shouldnt have to solo or need. The allaince is all about group work. If you need azure go cap azure. Not hard you can cap lights pretty fast. Even with capped lights its fast to build xp chain back up even if it entails a blm going to leave mobs you are on then coming back after azure done. Another thing i read in above statements .... people come to worm pt's for Cuior, ki collecting skilling build or they r bored want something to do. You should welcome the person with the emperian.
On a second note the person with the emperian should also note allaince balance and lights and how it works and work with that.

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A relic/mythic/emperian shouldnt have to solo or need.

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Someone with good gear and atmas can solo a mob too, just that emps are so easy to get that chances are someone with the things I mentioned has one of those too.

Honestly if you want to skillup or make your own effort to killing and take offence and people one shotting stuff just ask nicely in party chat, very few people will be an ass about it. Well geared players do like showing off but if you talk nicely people usually act in kind.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

If you don't like the tread then get out. Simple as that, but to answer your inquiry~ She followed the group to every mob, killed, followed, killed. She could have been soloing the ones down the hill, other side of the camp, etc.

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All I hear is a load of butthurt. Yeah I have an Emperyen weapon but sometimes dropping a mob from 100% to 0% just happens. I've done it a lot so just quit crying about stupid Ruby Lights.

P.S. I can do just about the same near amount of damage on my DRG with Drakesbane using a non-emperyen polearm so it's not just Emperyen weapons. It's people who play the game better then most people who know how to pimp their gear out.

It's difficult not to ruby when someone else/others drop the mob's HP down from another WS right before you do your own. It ends up being not WSing at all relying on DoT to not upset lights or compete trying to WS before others do theirs. This doesn't apply to if you're trying to solo your own unless others attack it. Just my 2cents to defend empyrean/relic/mythic users. Though most jobs can throw out huge damage with the right atmas and WS inside abyssea without empyrean/relic/mythic.

when even i exp on war or monk and someone bitch's about ukko's or victory smite getting ruby lights i just afk, why? because me being a well geared job is not my fault 10% ot 100% on either job i still have a VERY good chance of one shooting most mobs. Ive parsed 2-3 exp alliances were with an empy im literately doing 50%+ dmg of the entire alliance. Thats a single player doing more work and damage and killing faster then 17 other player combined.Also theres a good chance if the pup wasnt macroing or doing much they prob had a bot on set to ws, w/e they got tp. With an empy DD going nuts you'll get the same amount of chests and TE's as normal just you cap out ruby ebon gold silver lights ALOT faster and get more crour and exp in the long term. people have this stigma about ruby lights being the end of the world they arent, shitty players are what ruin abyssea partys the 6 people leeching is what ruins abyssea partys not the 1 player doing all the work.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

or Gambanteinn.

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Hey! A well geared White Mage without Gambanteinn can drop 3k Hexa Strikes to ruin people's day with ruby...

Okay so yeah, the Empyrean WS sucks, what does SE think WHM is, a PLD? The WS isn't even AOE.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

He's right though, Hvergelmir will never give ruby light.

Neither will Farsha,

or Armageddon.

or Gambanteinn.

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Haters gonna hate, but this empy user is squeaky clean today. Actually, I do cause some grief... I've been known to 1-shot with garuda and steal BLM targets. Still pearl light, so wahhh.

It's not the weapon, It's the player behind the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Haters gonna hate, but this empy user is squeaky clean today. Actually, I do cause some grief... I've been known to 1-shot with garuda and steal BLM targets. Still pearl light, so wahhh.

It's not the weapon, It's the player behind the weapon.

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<3 Eymp's don't kill things, Players kill things!

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Actually, I do cause some grief... I've been known to 1-shot with garuda and steal BLM targets.

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I have been known to oneshot with all avatars, not just Garuda.

But why are you stealing BLM targets? Let them do their thing, and stop being a jerk. You are the same type of person who melee's a mob the BLM is trying to solo, and ends up killing the BLM.

I'd give some of these people the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes things happen where you ready a weapon skill and someone else gets a weapon skill away under yours and you end up with a ruby kill. However, you wouldn't be wrong in calling out the egomaniacs who recklessly rack up ruby lights with no consideration for time when there are not enough targets for Black Mages to offset them with azure lights, which can be done in La Theine, Attohwa, and Ulegurand.

In any case, it would help if people stop treating Abyssea parties as if some kinds of online trophies are being given out a la Halo or some other copycat game played by ADHD teens with no real accomplishments to speak of. You're not the only heroes in this world.

If you're complaining about ruby at all in an EXP group, you're doing it wrong.

If a BLM cant walk around and hit some Emphemerals while the group is killing mobs as fast possible, you're doing it wrong.

If a BLU is in party and can't cap Azure by sniping some weak mobs that con DC away from the party, you're doing it wrong.

If you're actually concerned about timing out in Abyssea in an EXP alliance, you're doing it wrong or half the alliance is AFK which wouldn't be surprising.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

If a BLM cant walk around and hit some Emphemerals while the group is killing mobs as fast possible, you're doing it wrong.

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Hey BLM, we have some new people, go cap azure for them. I don't care that you're already getting capped exp, it's a BLM's job in an exp party to screw over their own exp.

ITT: sniping kill-shots with elemental magic is hard.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

ITT: sniping kill-shots with elemental magic is hard.

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The entire thread is about 1-shotting mobs with Empys. Hard to snipe killshots when mobs are killed in one hit.

One-shotted, really? Every single time? No TP phase, just WS WS WS WS WS all night long? Ok, then pull a mob off to the side and nuke it down. Building Azure light is not difficult.

It's like we're on page 1 all over again.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Hey BLM, we have some new people, go cap azure for them. I don't care that you're already getting capped exp, it's a BLM's job in an exp party to screw over their own exp.

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Cause you aren't getting EXP from treasure chests.
Cause recapping EXP after you cap gold/silver is SO hard.
Cause BLM killing a couple Ephemerals for the good of speeding up one's own EXP is somehow bad.

Yes, im sorry if you come on BLM (or anything that can azure for that matter) that you'll have to do more than AFK to get good EXP.

If you recap Azure fast (a trivial matter in Scars/Heroes), you can quickly get to capping ruby (and amber) which leads to greater EXP, more loot and an overall more pleasurable experience.

It's like no one knows the first rule of Aby Club... New people don't get kill shots.

Dallas has posted something that I approve of. I thought you would all like to know this.

Wait, why would new people need to have Azure if your Emp weapon PT members are one hitting everything?

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Originally Posted by Myrrh

Wait, why would new people need to have Azure if your Emp weapon PT members are one hitting everything?

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Because they, like everyone else, have an ego trip where they, like everyone else, feel the need to have the kill shot to make them, like everyone else, feel better.

Plus, it would suck if the new person also uses and emp weapon and start getting killshots.

I could understand that if the new person had a Emp but by the way everyone is sounding in this thread. It's the people who don't have a Emp that are feeling bad.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Hey BLM, we have some new people, go cap azure for them. I don't care that you're already getting capped exp, it's a BLM's job in an exp party to screw over their own exp.

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Because it's impossible for there to be more than one monster at the camp?


This entire thread seems to consist of horrible players claiming that doing it wrong is doing it right.
If one person is doing half the damage of the alliance it means the alliance itself is the weak link while the "empy user" can just leave the alliance and solo better exp than you guys.

Ruby lights are actually good for exp. The concept of being stuck on 300 exp for hours instead of getting 600 exp a kill semi quickly being bad is apparently nonexistent here.
Halfway decent rdm blm blu etc can easily get azure lights. Post update a whm is probably going to be able to one shot azure lights.
Abyssea parties are supposedly for skilling up now which explains why I see people with under 100 skill , lv 30 weapons, etc, join parties I make and then rage when i kick em. I had no idea that was the true purpose of abyssea. I should have realized that people unable to deal more damage than a thf pulling via boomerang and not meleeing are perfectly ok to have.
Are you guys seriously accusing decent-->well geared players of having a superiority complex when they ARE 10~x better than you in terms of damage? It's not a superiority complex when it's true. They probably even have better chest abyssites.
In book parties all these points about zomg you're fucking with our azure is even worse because I've literally soloed positive time in book zones without any lights whatsoever except a few azure from ruby chests.(pre empy)

I've had parties where my meleeing brd going afk or leaving literally makes them time out because they were essentially leeching on the brd(that they put in a mage pt for some unknown reason) and as such I'm more inclined to think that the person killing fast is less a problem than the other people who cant even halfway keep up.

TLDR it's not the empy person being bad, it's you being terrible.

ITT: People saying BLM shouldn't have to run off to cap Azure lights... when exping on worms.

Abyssea exp alliances suck because 94.4% of the people in them aren't smart enough to kill a potato. If you really think Azure lights are important, fight something that gives Azure? Holy shit. Next thing you know people are going to start saying that those evil well-geared players are following their BLMs around the zone to steal their kills.

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Originally Posted by TybudX

ITT: People saying BLM shouldn't have to run off to cap Azure lights... when exping on worms.

Abyssea exp alliances suck because 94.4% of the people in them aren't smart enough to kill a potato. If you really think Azure lights are important, fight something that gives Azure? Holy shit. Next thing you know people are going to start saying that those evil well-geared players are following their BLMs around the zone to steal their kills.

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In a Vision zone it's slightly more annoying to recap lights but really a BLU or BLM should have no problem getting lights back up speed if they bother to do it right.

Azure stuff away from the party if you have to.

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Azure stuff away from the party if you have to.

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The point being people are complaining about this one specific guy keeping them from being able to get Azure lights... at worms. They already need to Azure stuff away from the party. They just aren't smart enough to know better.

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Originally Posted by TybudX

For the record, killing stuff faster will get you all treasure chests faster. The whole 'avoid ruby until you cap azure' thing is along the same lines as the 'make your DDs sub NIN so the healer can keep sucking' thing. If somebody happens to be stupid and own an empyrean weapon man up and tell them to solo mobs. And you can't get azure why? What are your BLMs doing? A single BLM can -aga/-aja nuke worms down in a couple of nukes, and somehow this empyrean DD is killing all of them?


There is a good reason the alliance you were in looked useless. It wasn't that one guy.

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This so much, SE really needs to put out a tutorial on how lights in abyssea work and that ruby isn't bad unless your alliance is horrible and full of people that are there to skill up. If that's the case it's doomed to fail. I love the mentality of zomfg don't ws.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

All you need in abyssea burn parties now is 1 emp user, 1 BLM, 1 WHM, and 15 leeches.

Which is what you are getting anyway. More leechers than players.

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Well, that doesn't prevent Leech A from being accussed of leeching by Leech B and to have Leech B flamming on Leech A's back to the leader to the Leeches' Abyssea Burn Experience Party to have Leeche A kicked out for leeching which result of having Leech A kicked out of the party for no valid reason...

Leech B is a Leech Queen B..... That kind of Leech is to be avoided at all cost. And if you happen to be the leader of such party, do the party a favor and kick that Queen B out.

Just as a side note to the mentality of this thread, you're saying empy users shouldnt solo mobs, but blms/blus/schs/rdm should leave camp and farm light...so in summary "Dont make this person go out of their way to help the party, but its okay to make THIS person go out of their way to do things." Not that i am siding with either side, but dont you find that silly that your advice at core is the same as the argument you are against in a nutshell?