Carabosse

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

What's the point with using your brainf for instance?
It was mentioned over and over again
1) Don't camp on each other!
2) In case someone want's to MPK you - call a GM - that's what they are for!
3) The NM is still LOL. And will be more LOL in case benediction would be nerfed.
4) The census showes how easy a NM is in terms of how many player achieved the empyrean. And in case you read the census to the end you'll have noticed that certain empyreans are more popular than others but in the end - the one that are started at La Theine are outnumbering all others. I wonder why? (Since H2H is the best - and no I'm not on that trial at all.)

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I am sorry but can you clarify as to why you believe H2H is the "best". Ukon out damages it. Masamune is amoung gods outside abyssea. etc etc.

H2H the best? Matter of opinion. Most useful? Also a matter of opinion - yes it is very useful no doubt however you are ignoring the fact Empyreans are the best in their class - DD weapons. Last I checked Masamune & Caladbolg were used on DD / Zerg jobs. Why would you not build one?

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

The only one who's trying to pick a fight is you.
And that's a good moment to quote A. Einstein: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”

PS: Morgantisthedon and Runespider thumbs up! (Cause they solved the ridle by themself.)

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Please do not quote Einstein. Your head-in-the-sand "logic" has absolutely nothing to do with him.

The point of the OP is that the effect of Benediction when used by mobs can be maliciously manipulated by players. A simple fix to this would to implement a /blockaid between a mob that is claimed and another mob that is claimed by another group.

Selzak your'r right - noone should over quote a german genius.
But then again - carabosse is just interacting with its own kind - and that's nothing wrong.
Where was your high horse comment the moment the first whitemage in dynamis waked up all sleeped mobs and nearly wiped out 2 whole alliances?
Where was your cry for mercy the moment a whitemage beastmen healed all his minions at campaign battle?

To make something clear - now I'm trolling - but Abyssea is just another Dynamis/Campaing Battle since it has the same conditions and also is part of the same story.

Campaing (what happened in the war) > Dynamis (memories of a war) > Abyssea (a different war or what happened after point X in history when we change factor Y)

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

Selzak your'r right - noone should over quote a german genius.
But then again - carabosse is just interacting with its own kind - and that's nothing wrong.
Where was your high horse comment the moment the first whitemage in dynamis waked up all sleeped mobs and nearly wiped out 2 whole alliances?
Where was your cry for mercy the moment a whitemage beastmen healed all his minions at campaign battle?

To make something clear - now I'm trolling - but Abyssea is just another Dynamis/Campaing Battle since it has the same conditions and also is part of the same story.

Campaing (what happened in the war) > Dynamis (memories of a war) > Abyssea (a different war or what happened after point X in history when we change factor Y)

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The white mage dynamis mob that woke up sleeping mobs was claimed by my party/alliance/linkshell.

The Carabosse that healed my Carabosse was from a random party/alliance/linkshell with no affiliation with our group.

I think you fail to see our point so I will spell it out in black and white for you (for about the 15th time in this thread):

A monster claimed by a party / alliance should not have interaction with another monster claimed by a seperate party / alliance.

And by the way - it's called a NOTORIOUS MONSTER not a normal mob. Learn to deal with it!
And not to mention - a NM who's popset is farmed within 5 minutes, with pre NMs that are no big deal and who are close to each other.

And once again - we'r talking about ABYSSEA not present time Vana'diel.
There are different conditions for every mob. So there is nothing wrong that certain mobs esp. NMs can and will interact with other mobs/NMs. Otherwise the devs could have saved the time and money in creating a new/different challange for us. There is no need for another CoP, ToAU or WotG area when there is no new experience for the players.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

I am a Loudmouth! I don't want them to change this because this is how I troll people in-game when I am not on the forums trolling!

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You are a troll. I highly recommend that nobody respond to Ihnako ever again in any thread.

People are trying to post legitimate concerns and requests, and you are just trying to get people angry. Nobody cares what you think and from here forward I will be ignoring any posts you make as if they never happened.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

And by the way - it's called a NOTORIOUS MONSTER not a normal mob. Learn to deal with it!
And not to mention - a NM who's popset is farmed within 5 minutes, with pre NMs that are no big deal and who are close to each other.

And once again - we'r talking about ABYSSEA not present time Vana'diel.
There are different conditions for every mob. So there is nothing wrong that certain mobs esp. NMs can and will interact with other mobs/NMs. Otherwise the devs could have saved the time and money in creating a new/different challange for us. There is no need for another CoP, ToAU or WotG area when there is no new experience for the players.

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No one is crying here. No Carabosse is not hard. As we have all repeatedly made clear. The issue with this problem is that other people (assumingly you are one of these people) like to have a laugh by making other Carabosse's heal to full - which forces an easy fight to just take longer. (No, not increase in difficulty. The fact she gets healed by other Carabosse's simply makes an easy fight drag out longer).

No one cares what you can or can't do. Solo 3x at once? I would love to see them cast 3x Aeroga 3's. Your comments are a joke.

Why don't you actually read? Notorious Monster = Monster. That is all that was said. Regardless whether or not it is an NM or a normal mob - this should not happen. An opportunity for players like yourself to have a laugh by healing other alliance's NM's is the reason this was brought up.

As for your completely stupid "storyline" argument, it has nothing to do with the issue at hand here.

Finally as I will repeat - no Carabosse is barely a challenge, as is Briareas, Fistule, Chloris, and any stage 1 NM. The issue is it simply draws out a fight to a pointless length - and also gives people the chance to attempt to MPK.

How? Someone see's a low man group struggling with her at 5%. This person pulls carabosse next to them, forces her to bennedict - then this group that was struggling now has a very slim chance.

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Originally Posted by Alderin

No Carabosse is not hard. As we have all repeatedly made clear. The issue with this problem is that other people (assumingly you are one of these people) like to have a laugh by making other Carabosse's heal to full - which forces an easy fight to just take longer. (No, not increase in difficulty. The fact she gets healed by other Carabosse's simply makes an easy fight drag out longer).

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Call a GM? We made this clear a hundred times <censored>.
MPK - call a GM!
Forced MPK for popstealing - call a GM!
You can't handle it and it's a long fight? Change your setup, get a brain, pay attention on what it's doing.

Simple solution - learn how to play and how to use the given ingame support.

So anyways, yeah. they should fix this. Its pointless and this thread is a good indication that the people who want it kept that way, are the kind of people who are out to ruin the game for others. Other than it just being extra work for the programmers, I haven't seen any legit reason to leave it how it is. So, if its not gonna take away from other important updates, I say change this please.

The reason Ihnako's the only one here still arguing is because there is so little to say, and everyone has already said it: JUST PULL THE DAMN NM AWAY FROM THE ???

It's as simple as that. It's working just as intended.

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Originally Posted by Eric

The reason Ihnako's the only one here still arguing is because there is so little to say, and everyone has already said it: JUST PULL THE DAMN NM AWAY FROM THE ???

It's as simple as that. It's working just as intended.

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Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion. Very productive.

Why? He said the truth... pull away - problem solved.

So... 50 replys and not a single official word that it is a concern for them and that this topic would be relied to the Devs. Ergo - no problem / worked as intended.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

Call a GM? We made this clear a hundred times <censored>.
MPK - call a GM!
Forced MPK for popstealing - call a GM!

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Point is we shouldn't have to - there is a flaw in game mechanics that allows people to attempt to MPK which is against game rules.

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You can't handle it and it's a long fight? Change your setup, get a brain, pay attention on what it's doing.

Simple solution - learn how to play and how to use the given ingame support.

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Who said anything about not being able to handle it? I will repeat for the 10,000th time - NO Carabosse is NOT hard.

Simple math says Benediction x2 = a longer fight then Benediction x1. Nothing to do with setup. Although you would know nothing about that would you?

As for learn how to play? For someone who wasted their time on a useless Empyrean and burnt all their jobs to 90 doesn't show that you "know how to play". Speak for yourself.

This conversation reminds me of old movies where the guy says "well she had it coming to her..... look how shes dressed....".

Just because you can call a GM doesn't mean that everyone isn't better off not having to. The very fact that this thread was started means that someones out there being a dick, and it could have been prevented.

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Originally Posted by Alderin

Point is we shouldn't have to - there is a flaw in game mechanics that allows people to attempt to MPK which is against game rules.

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I can MPK you with every mob in the game as long as you'r on the hate list. Does that mean that's against the game rules?
MPK is but everything else is part of the game mechanics.

Btw: Healing or better let a mob be healed isn't against the game rules since it's an interaction started by the game itself. (Aggroing would then be also against the rules since the mob takes action by themself.) :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Alderin

Who said anything about not being able to handle it? I will repeat for the 10,000th time - NO Carabosse is NOT hard.

Simple math says Benediction x2 = a longer fight then Benediction x1. Nothing to do with setup. Although you would know nothing about that would you?

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Two times benediction means the fight lasts for another 5 minutes - so what?

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Originally Posted by Alderin

As for learn how to play? For someone who wasted their time on a useless Empyrean and burnt all their jobs to 90 doesn't show that you "know how to play". Speak for yourself.

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Limiting yourself and your knowlede to a single job may result in beeing an expert for this job - but only for this. Knowing different jobs - their strenght and weak points doesn't make you an expert player but a better player than you for sure.

Oh... you hurt my feelings... burning jobs to 90... lol... ouch... stop you make me laugh so hard my neigbors giving me a creepy sight.

Edit: What weapon are you talking about?