Raise dance

DNC is not ment to be a "main healer" at all, they are a "front line backup healer" among many other things; whm is the only job that was ment to be a "main healer" of any sorts (all others are backup healers). A raise dance would be...interesting however, but not likely to happen.

I don't think DNC needs another dance category. What they could do is make it while under haste samba you also get a regain, drain samba you get Regen and under aspir samba you get refresh just while you are attacking.

Its just an idea since dnc already has alot of abilities, all it could take is a couple small adjustments like that could make the DNC job look more desirable.

I COULD see a full parry mode dance, with a Riposte possibility (think counter). This is not incompatible with dancer's role as evidenced by our Closed Stance merits. On the other hand, I could just /mnk...

If you're really needing to scratch that itch, just sub whm. I am not bashing you or anything, it's actually a pretty decent combo for battlefield support. My main duo partner, before abyssea and we needed magic triggers, would sub whm to her dnc. If you got a very stable duo partner, give it a try.

But as far as natively possessing raise? I think it's a little much.

I'd be more inclined to request a "Reraise Waltz" of some sort that only lasted a short while(the effect before death, not after). Something like the bard reraise song, where you can see the fight going south, and you just pop that off at the last second, it's instant, and it saves you the headache of being raised.

Raise Jig would be awesome. :)

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Originally Posted by Frost

If you're really needing to scratch that itch, just sub whm. I am not bashing you or anything, it's actually a pretty decent combo for battlefield support. My main duo partner, before abyssea and we needed magic triggers, would sub whm to her dnc. If you got a very stable duo partner, give it a try.

But as far as natively possessing raise? I think it's a little much.

I'd be more inclined to request a "Reraise Waltz" of some sort that only lasted a short while(the effect before death, not after). Something like the bard reraise song, where you can see the fight going south, and you just pop that off at the last second, it's instant, and it saves you the headache of being raised.

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I concur, I think a "Last Dance" which you can toss down at the last second, and gives you reraise for 10-30 seconds would create an interresting dynamic. Give it a 20 minute recast cooldown.

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Originally Posted by pheare

I've wanted a Raise for DNC for a while now.

"Pheonix Waltz" would be an awesome name.

150%TP Would be fine for me to raise

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Pheonix Waltz, I like the sound of that.

It sounds nice as many Dnc have wanted it for a while but don't forget lv 99 cap we also get a new form of merit system so maybe a good idea if it was in there some were same as some form of dispel and also some form of resist amnisia would be nice to have.

A lack of a Raise dance has always frustrated me as a leader. Once a Dancer has built up TP, he is able to keep an entire (sometimes an entire alliance) alive single-handedly. Getting both a White Mage and a Dancer is just plain redundant, when one only has so many party slots to work with. With only 6 slots, one cannot have a white mage in the party when their only vital function is to raise. What good is a light DD that can Cure, but cannot Raise?

As for Dispel, I support it as well. It just "feels like" this is something Dancer should be able to do.

I would love to see both a dispel and raise/reraise ability added to DNC. DNC is my main DD job and SCH my main mage job. I feel worthless when I can't assist in raises when there maybe at the time only a couple ppl in an alliance able to raise. Yeah, Apoc is nice in abyssea, one I'd love to have, but more often than not not many people have that atma yet in abyssea. Now in dynamis areas, it'd be helpful there as well.

Just imagine how long it would lock out our Waltz timers if it became a Waltz.....(not that I wouldn't want but jeez the time lock would not be worth using it ever in continuous combat).

Yeah, if they do give us Raise, it definitely would need to fall under a different dance category or they need to unshare the waltz timers.

As a level 90 dancer, I've often thought it would be awesome to have a raise dance of some sort. This originally came up during a time when it was hard to find whms, because everyone got tired of playing whm all the time. The initial idea I had was they should call it something like Corpse Waltz. However, that was quite some time ago and now I just don't see a need for us to have a raise. I would like a new set of abilities. Another player suggested a new tier of dances and asked for suggestions on names. Here is my idea: Mambos

> Tactical Mambo: All PT members in aoe range get regain effect. (nothing major somewhere 1-5/tick is fine)
> Hypnotic Mambo: Target Monster receives amnesia/addle effect

These are just a couple of examples, but they make a lot of sense for us both in party/solo situations. More could easily be added to the list.

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Originally Posted by Elidani

I would like a new set of abilities. Another player suggested a new tier of dances and asked for suggestions on names. Here is my idea: Mambos

> Tactical Mambo: All PT members in aoe range get regain effect. (nothing major somewhere 1-5/tick is fine)
> Hypnotic Mambo: Target Monster receives amnesia/addle effect

These are just a couple of examples, but they make a lot of sense for us both in party/solo situations. More could easily be added to the list.

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Interesting thought, but I suspect something other than Mambo would be wise to avoid collision with BRD namespace. Perhaps I could interest you in a tango? Or would that take two?...

I stuck the JP DNC forums into autotranslate today for fun. They're a fan of the Hula, and ask for many of the same things that we have (Dispel Flourish, Raise Dance).

Actually, what you're seeing translated as "hula" (フラ - fura) is actually short for フラリッシュ (furarisshu - flourishes). So A.フラ is Animated Flourish, C.フラ is Climactic Flourish.

There are definitely cries for dispel/raise, and a lot of complaints about the shared recast timers - specifically with healing waltz.

There's an interesting post suggesting that saber dance instead INCREASE the TP cost of waltzes, instead of restricting the ability completely, the increase in cost also would possibly decay with the double attack.

The most interesting suggestion there is to have an ability to expend a finishing move to reduce the TP cost and recast of the next waltz.

Actually, I was skimming earlier, upon further inspection the TP reduction / recast was simply an always active job trait that increased in potency every 15 levels after level 30. Sorry, it's been a while since I've had to use my Japanese regularly and I was skimming over it fast, and didn't double check, I just summarized what I thought I saw :D

Wherever the idea for an ability to reduce the recast/cost of the next dance in exchange for a finishing move came from, I still like it >_>

I like the idea of just increasing Waltz TP cost with Saber Dance up. It would have to be a substantial increase (like 2x), but it would remove many complains that people have with the job trait for soloing and fits with the "manifesto."

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Originally Posted by Wesa

Interesting thought, but I suspect something other than Mambo would be wise to avoid collision with BRD namespace. Perhaps I could interest you in a tango? Or would that take two?...

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That is a good point. While it may take two to tango I think we have enough DNCs on every Vana'diel server to cover it. Frankly if they give us Dispel/Raise/Amnesia/Addle or anything of that sort they could call it mud splash and I would still use it, gladly break out those lovely pinky pom-poms and shake my taru booty.

That is a great idea to have a raise dance and a dispell. I would even love to have as a jig a reraise jig.

Sorry if this has been mentioned, I have not read the whole post. What if they added a new set of waltz to our 2hr ability. Waltz get knocked down to ~6 seconds each during 2hr I think? Might be a way to add it?

Hey all,

Just for fun, I figured I would post some Raise ideas for Dancer.

Dance of the Dead
(Dança Dos Mortos, Danse Des Morts, Fusce mortuorum, whatever cool sounding phrase one can find in various languages...)
Job Ability: Tango > Dance of the Dead
Effect: Raises all KO'd players in area of effect; area increased with TP consumed (perhaps 10 yalms for 100TP, 15 yalms for 150TP and 20 yalms for 200TP).
Recast Timer: 20 Minutes

As a game balance issue, as well as to be in line with the current trend of abilities working only under the effect of the 2-hour ability, perhaps it would require Trance to function (automatically consuming it like summoning Odin).

Or, if that is not to your liking, how about:

Reraise Samba
Job Ability: Samba > Reraise Samba
Effect: Attacks inflict Reraise Daze on opponent. Party members attacking an opponent with Reraise Daze will be granted an extremely short duration Reraise effect (perhaps 5 seconds, refreshed by each successful strike).

This way, Dancers would get some ability to raise, without taking away from the more traditional healers - and Dancers would be able to protect "proc monkeys" who are running in just to WS on an NM, only to get caught in some kind of AoE.

I am just throwing these out there for discussion - what do you all think?
Also, credit must go to Ashantha of Bismarck for the Reraise Samba suggestion, it is not my own.

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Originally Posted by AyinDygra

The lore of Dancers seems to dismiss a "Raise dance" existing in the Dancer Job's "Kriegstanz" school of dance. Necromancy was used to raise the undead and "Kriegstanz" was able to counteract it. If "Kriegstanz" dancers HAD a "Raise Dance", they would most likely have used it during the war.

An ability from that lore that WOULD fit Dancer is something that causes extreme damage to the undead.
Also, a "Dispel" ability would fit according to that lore too.

We could potentially get "Totentanz" as a method of raising dead party members as "pets" for a short time :p I kid... or do I? :)

(The lore can be found here: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Da...he_Battlefield )

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I really miss their lore updates.

Just call it a Lap Dance.

That would be amazing -.- Good idea