ATTN: Community Reps/Dev Team: PUPs of Vanadiel DEMAND a response on Automaton A.I.!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

My position elsewhere isn't required to dictate my behavior here, and you are derailing this topic just as much by reacting to me as I am by reacting to someone else. I do not hold you to any special standard because you had X job somewhere else.

As a PUP myself, I resent being implied to be a part of a group that has the opinions of the original poster. I want them to do whatever they can to improve PUP, of course. but I'm not going to act like every/most/many PUPs share my views in the matter.

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Well hello special snowflake, cause you're actually the only one I've ever seen who's happy with the Soulsoother's AI. If you're not, then don't complain cause you agree with the rest. If you only disagree with a part of a post, then quote and explain your reasons. But just coming here sayin that everyone should ignore this thread is just a lame attempt at attention seeking.

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"look at me! please pay attention to me! I am so important, stop talking without my approval!"

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I'm not posting here to get attention, unlike the original poster. Nowhere did I ever say, suggest, or imply that someone needed my approval to talk.

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Nobody cares about your opinion on how people word their topics

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Nobody cares about your opinion of me either, but you still post about it. Excuse me for feeling that this forum would be more pleasant if people posted their threads normally instead of all trying to get the dev's attention.

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cause you're actually the only one I've ever seen who's happy with the Soulsoother's AI.

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I'm not "happy" with the soulsoother AI. You can now stop calling names in an effort to make yourself look better. I'm not saying that everyone in this thread should be ignored. My only intention was to convey that we the PUP community aren't issuing some kind of ultimatum. I request changes, not demand them.

That's all I have left to say, in an effort to prove my intentions.

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I'm not "happy" with the soulsoother AI. You can now stop calling names in an effort to make yourself look better.

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I didn't think special snowflake was offending, I thought it was just a way to say being different.

Explain what you agree with and what you disagree with, cause you haven't been constructive at all. Just sayin "ignore this thread and everyone who posts in it" isn't going to improve the development of the job.

I've already posted some thoughts on this subject in the PUP forum, which I imagine is where this thread will eventually be moved.

But on other areas...

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The main issue with sharpshot, is that for a ranger, it's pretty bad at shooting for TP.

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That's why you allow it to go to melee range to get TP. It might feel silly, I suppose- but what if it did TP much better than it does now at range? Then TPing at melee range would be even more powerful- way too powerful, because Sharpshot does not have the ranged sweet spot system (Unless I'm sorely mistaken, but I've never seen a difference in its damage based on range)

Sharpshot's ranged attack is extremely high, having it shoot significantly faster would be pretty imbalanced, and lower ranged attack would weaken its weaponskills. HOWEVER, the barrage turbine needs to be adjusted to give full TP for each shot, and it should have a shorter cooldown.

Thanks, that's a constructive post.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

That's why you allow it to go to melee range to get TP. It might feel silly, I suppose- but what if it did TP much better than it does now at range? Then TPing at melee range would be even more powerful- way too powerful, because Sharpshot does not have the ranged sweet spot system (Unless I'm sorely mistaken, but I've never seen a difference in its damage based on range)

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This was addressed in the first two posts, did you bother to read the OP or just skipped that part so you could jump straight to crying for attention? The whole point is that we already have a melee frame, having to have the ranged frame be in melee range defeats the purpose of having a ranged frame. Notice how both suggestions involved a way to make the trade off of sacrificing melee damage to gain ranged attack speed.

And yes, automatons suffer the ranged damage penalty, and their sweet spot is melee range. It is easy to see it, go shoot some worms from melee range and from 10+ away. No, automatons don't have "extremely high" ranged attack, their attack is calculated the same as anything else.

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This was addressed in the first two posts, did you bother to read

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Yes, I did, or I would not have posted it. For the last time, I'm not crying for attention. Why else would I make a constructive, sensical post (Whether it's correct or not)? It's beyond my ability to comprehend why I'm being accused of being the attention seeker when the title of this topic is "ATTN: Community Reps/Dev Team: PUPs of Vanadiel DEMAND..."

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And yes, automatons suffer the ranged damage penalty, and their sweet spot is melee range. It is easy to see it, go shoot some worms from melee range and from 10+ away.

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I did this, and couldn't see a difference significant enough to overcome the random variance in attack damage. Even if you're right, that's all the more reason for it to be at melee range.

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No, automatons don't have "extremely high" ranged attack

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So why does the automaton's ranged attacks out damage anyone else's ranged attacks on a shot to shot basis? The only other thing it could be is the DMG: rating of its attack.

If you have sceintific testing to prove what you're saying, I'll happily accept it. But my personal experiences disagree with what you're saying.

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Putting this in your topic title does NOT get you more staff attention, so PLEASE stop it.

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lol, again?

backseat modding, yay

I'm just amused he thought I superficially claimed I was speaking for everyone. I have been a poster on alla, bluegartr, KI, ffxiclopedia, and now here for years, and played the job and lurked on pup forums ever since pup got its first pupdate after it came out. One of the biggest demands I have seen, in threads popping up everywhere, is the same complaint about the A.I., with not a single person disagreeing, with pups repeatedly demanding for years in dev Q and As for them to fix it, first starting with asking if they planned to adjust it, then mentioning the problem, then mentioning the problem more. When I say pups of vanadiel DEMAND a response, I mean it. Note that I didn't even say ALL pups of vanadiel, just pups. I even asked other pups to give their input on this thread.

I remember reading something in a story once, about how when people give an accusing opinion of other people, it's actually a trait that they themselves have. If they claim others are lazy, then they often are lazy themselves. If they claim others are attention whoring... well...

All I'm saying is I did not make this post flippantly, but instead am trying to continue the majority of pups continued pleas for the A.I. to be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

lol, again?

backseat modding, yay

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Trolling, yay

I'm not backseat modding. There is no rule violation to moderate.

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That's 100% false. I certainly care.

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So why are you so interested in someone else's opinion of me?

//admittedly took the troll bait.

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Nobody cares about your opinion of me either, but you still post about it.

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That's 100% false. I certainly care.

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Originally Posted by Psion

I'm just amused he thought I superficially claimed I was speaking for everyone. I have been a poster on alla, bluegartr, KI, ffxiclopedia, and now here for years, and played the job and lurked on pup forums ever since pup got its first pupdate after it came out. One of the biggest demands I have seen, in threads popping up everywhere, is the same complaint about the A.I., with not a single person disagreeing, with pups repeatedly demanding for years in dev Q and As for them to fix it, first starting with asking if they planned to adjust it, then mentioning the problem, then mentioning the problem more. When I say pups of vanadiel DEMAND a response, I mean it. Note that I didn't even say ALL pups of vanadiel, just pups. I even asked other pups to give their input on this thread.

I remember reading something in a story once, about how when people give an accusing opinion of other people, it's actually a trait that they themselves have. If they claim others are lazy, then they often are lazy themselves. If they claim others are attention whoring... well...

All I'm saying is I did not make this post flippantly, but instead am trying to continue the majority of pups continued pleas for the A.I. to be fixed.

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I appriciate the candid response. However, I still disagree with treating it as a demand, as it sort of implies a threat. Are you going to quit if they don't change the AI (and specifically quit for that reason)?

A polite request is generally much more effective, that's all. I would very much like for changes to be made. However, because I'm able to get by without changes, I don't consider it to be so immediately essential that I feel it's necessary to make it a demand and not a request.

I also agree with the point of your little story.

Your *tenth* post in this thread was the first one that was a "a constructive, sensical post". The first nine were not about the topic of the thread, but rather about you. You aren't being accused of anything, you keep spamming the entire forum with "stop posting in ways that I do not approve of" as though your approval is something that matters. That is purely to get attention.

Ten shots from each distance is all it takes to see the obvious drop in damage. I'll leave it up to you to figure out why you can't see it. Yes, this is all the more reason to keep sharpshot in melee range. You seem to have forgotten already that the very problem being discussed is that you have to keep sharpshot in melee range. "Keep him in melee range" is not a solution to "we have to keep him in melee range". We need a way to keep him *out* of melee range, because he dies very easily to aoes in melee range. There is no reason to have a ranged frame if it can not attack effectively at range.

OP, I'm with you on the soulsoother on every point. Face it, if you were in a pt with a whm THAT stupid you'd be in a party looking for a replacement to your main healer, why should your pup get treated better for its stupidity?

Spiritreaver, sorry, but not on board with you there, except on 3. I don't mind blm pup draining and aspiring when it feels the need. I can't comment on the need for a dark manuver because I always have 1 up for the refresh. They do however need to drain commensurate with your pup's magic skill and as near as I can tell they don't. Now the stupidcasting, this I agree with wholeheartedly. What the hell is the built-in scanner (or the attachment) FOR if not to detect and respond to the prey's weaknesses? as I recall that's even in the descriptive text.

You left out Stormwalker, my favorite frame/head. It's a rdm, let it cast rdm spells! Seriously, we and it are level 90, but it stopped learning spells at 72. If rdm had stopped learning spells at 72 they really WOULD have a bitch with SE. This is why I have issues with the Disruptor; Dispel is a rdm spell, Stormwalker is a rdm, it should simply have the spell without costing us a valuable attachment slot.

You also left out Harley, but since SE did too I'll just let that one go. I'm not even sure what job it's supposed to be!

Valoredge-ok, this thing is advertised as a pseudotank, and although they advertise it as a sorta-pld I have yet to see it cure itself, buff itself or use a white magic nuke so I'm going to call it a warrior tank. Too bad it can't hold hate, eh? So, as you can guess I have issues with the barrier module. The thing's had a shield built into it from day one; finally after about 5 years it gets to use it? What the hell.

Sharpshot, sorry not really on board with much here. Your "elite" players scream if you deploy it at a distance because you're not satisfying the almighty DPS that they worship like some mindless thuggee in a cult, but it's a ranger and I use it as such. I like the firing speed, too. Unlike those who worship DPS, I worship Hate control, Survival and Success of the fight. Speaking as a level 90 thief who SATA-DE onto nukers and mages that consistently pull hate (you want mob hate so much, here you go...), it's nice to see a substitute for 1 of those jobs that puts up decent #s without taking hate from the tank, and even then I still need the stealth screen. Considering the little bastard's non-existant durability (seems even squishier than the job it emulates) I like to keep hate off it.

I also don't like the idea of being forced to use attachments to modify the AI to what it should have been in the 1st place. Just fix the AI. I understand that they've added Disruptor and barrier module, so getting those put in native is obviously not going to happen now, fine. Seriously though, the reason it was "lolpup" for all these years IS the stupidity of the native AI. Although abyssea has allowed the few dedicated pups out there to demonstrate that pup IS a legitimate pet job with some powerful weapons to bring to the table, I'm still generally asked "what else have you got?" when I seek a party, and more often than not asked to come on the bst (despite not having the -pdt set), brd, thf or dnc.

Just fix the damn AI, it's not that hard...

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I appriciate the candid response. However, I still disagree with treating it as a demand, as it sort of implies a threat. Are you going to quit if they don't change the AI (and specifically quit for that reason)?

A polite request is generally much more effective, that's all. I would very much like for changes to be made. However, because I'm able to get by without changes, I don't consider it to be so immediately essential that I feel it's necessary to make it a demand and not a request.

I also agree with the point of your little story.

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I realize a polite request is more effective... generally. I think after what? 3, 4 years now? of polite requests, it's time to realize politeness is getting us nowhere. We need to start demanding change. (politely.) And yes, it is a threat. We might not have much power, since it is their game and their company... But we can at least do what we can, clamor louder and louder till they listen or blacklist us off the forums. I seriously doubt they would do that to everyone demanding changes, however, as we our their customers and we aren't exactly making an unreasonable demand.

And you might not feel it immediately essential... well, guess what, with how long the bug has been here, it's long past time you can claim that it can be put off because it isn't needed. It was needed YEARS ago. YEARS. We've waited far too long as it is.

And glamdring, i respectfully disagree with your disagreement on sharpshot. A ranged shot every 15-20 seconds or so is pretty terrible, even more so when your way outside the sweet spot for damage. It's not so bad on too weaks, because your so high above them you do like 600 damage to level 10 mobs anyways, but against an IT the damage drops severely. If I saw a ranger doing shots for 100 damage 3-4 times a minute, with the occasional slugshot for 1.5k or so every... 2 minutes? I'd kick him and get one that wasn't so stingy with his arrows. That only averages out to several hundred damage a minute, and I think everyone can agree even a dragoons wyvern beats that out easily from melee hits alone. Now, of course, our sharpshot can also melee fairly well and in doing so builds tp quite nicely that way, and barrage turban helps a little these days, but it's still nowhere near worthwhile to fire from range like a ranger. That's why I'm suggesting a stance or stay command that makes it so he stops meleeing, changes his sweetspot to around 17 yalms, and starts firing at a speed that is approximate to a rangers. I'm not sure if it should be 3-4 seconds, but 5 or so sounds about right for the damage he does in the sweet spot.

But what then of drum magazine? Perhaps under this new stance it might lower the delay less than if he was meleeing, perhaps a second per maneuver. That might sound overpowered, but have you seen the ranged accuracy penalty on that thing? It's like 15%. It's so ridiculous it causes me to whiff an armor piercer on tiny mandragora every several weaponskills or so. I still don't consider that attachment worth it unless i'm one shot farming things.

I love how (the same few) people are "like"ing the posts bashing me and not themselves saying anything constructive or useful.

I'm not the one guilty of all the negative things going on in here, but I take all the crap for it anyway.

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And you might not feel it immediately essential... well, guess what, with how long the bug has been here, it's long past time you can claim that it can be put off because it isn't needed. It was needed YEARS ago. YEARS. We've waited far too long as it is.

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I don't disagree, but we've made do without it for all those years and done just fine for ourselves, climbing out of the LOL hole and doing well for ourselves. To me, it's "I would really like this", but not "I absolutely have to have this or I'm quitting the game."

Believe me, other than what was done with the topic title, I'm on board with the suggestion. My entry into the thread was not intended to minimize your suggestion in any way. It was only meant in an informative mannner. I apologize for the rude manner in saying so, I've just gotten really frustrated at seeing things like [To the Devs] and such so much lately.

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So why are you so interested in someone else's opinion of me?

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Entertainment value

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

Just fix the damn AI, it's not that hard...

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I'll ignore all the "I want my automaton to be terrible" stuff for obvious reasons, but this part isn't actually as simple as you make it sound. "Fixing" the AI would be nice, but not everyone has the same definition of "fixed". In theory changing heads is supposed to alter the AI, but the changes it makes aren't terribly helpful.

Making the AI adjustable to the situation would be ideal, and using attachments is one way to do that. The problem is just that we end up running out of room for attachments. Maybe adding a 3rd slot to go with head/body would be best, have head/body/AI. And then you can put stuff like "lower (or raise) the priority of enfeebling spells" or "lower (or raise) the priority of status removal spells" in the AI slot without using up attachment space on it. You could do psion's "make it stay at a distance and shoot faster" mode using an AI slot that way too instead of a JA.

Psion: The delay on sharpshot's ranged attacks is clearly for balance reasons. reworking it to have a higher attack rate would likely mean a nerf to the damage of the hits themselves and the weaponskills too.

Basically, Sharpshots metagame clashes with the norm. But I'm not sure how to solve that without it seeming like an across the board nerf.

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I'll ignore all the "I want my automaton to be terrible" stuff for obvious reasons

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Nobody wants their automaton to be terrible- I don't see any statements like that to ignore. If you're suggesting I said or implied that, I didn't.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I love how (the same few) people are "like"ing the posts bashing me and not themselves saying anything constructive or useful.

I'm not the one guilty of all the negative things going on in here, but I take all the crap for it anyway.

I don't disagree, but we've made do without it for all those years and done just fine for ourselves, climbing out of the LOL hole and doing well for ourselves. To me, it's "I would really like this", but not "I absolutely have to have this or I'm quitting the game."

Believe me, other than what was done with the topic title, I'm on board with the suggestion. My entry into the thread was not intended to minimize your suggestion in any way. It was only meant in an informative mannner. I apologize for the rude manner in saying so, I've just gotten really frustrated at seeing things like [To the Devs] and such so much lately.

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Quitting? who said we would quit the game? We're not quitting, we're rioting. (politely.) And out of the LOL hole? Hardly. I shouted for advice on a ws choice for stringing pummel just yesterday, and got several lolpups, a pups are ho....bos (ill let you guess the actual word), and a couple telling me to change to another job. I only got one tell from someone who didn't know themselves but suggested one of the choices. I still get told regularly by people to change to a useful job. Have we gained some measure of respect? yes, but the fact remains we are nowhere near out of the hole yet.

And you might have gotten just fine without the A.I. fix all these years, but many of us sure haven't. I know I gave up soloing on pup entirely after skeleton number 230 got a killshot by spamming enfeebles on me, easy prey cockatrice got the killshot on me by spamming silence, petrify, and poison, goobues get the best of me with paralyze > paralyze > beatdown.. the list goes on and on. When you're forced to use role reversal > repair, deactivate activate for an emergency magic spell reset, ventriloquy sacrifice your auto and you STILL die... to something that's easy prey and you could've won easily had your white mage not been retarded... you kind of get tired of soloing.

And you can't tell me to fight other mobs either, because at the times I fought these I had no other option, whether it was magian trials, a quest item, or something else.

And you seem to not be getting the point. There's no reason to nerf the damage of the shots. NO reason. A several second delay and no ability to use melee hits is balanced for its high ranged damage and accuracy. I've seen dark knights hit for harder and at half that speed.

See where is says "Originally Posted by Glamdring" in a quote? That means I am quoting Glamdring. Read his post, he wants sharpshot to stay terrible so it doesn't pull hate (how do I shot deactivate?).

And again, you are ignoring the very focus of the "make ranged attacks faster" issue. Making him shoot faster would only be an issue if he were still meleeing at the same time. The request is that we have a way to shoot *instead* of meleeing. This shouldn't be so hard to understand.

Imho, the AI fix to Soulsoother is a given.

On the drain/aspir debate, I don't think they should be removed, they have their place. Dark trigger? Maybe, if not, casting them at a lower % would be better in my opinion.

On the sharpshot thing, I don't know honestly, I'll keep reading for now.

Valoredge looks fine to me.

Stormwaker...it's basically just a low level automaton like Harlequin to forget when you get at high level, meh.

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Originally Posted by Mercilessturtle

That's why all these people are replying to show their support.

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You can also show your support by just liking the op post (to those that don't like posting much). I've noticed topics with 50+ likes on op post get more replies from devs than ones with 50+ posts. I would really like a response to these issues mentioned.

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And out of the LOL hole

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On a performance level? yes we are. That doesn't mean that immature people will stop being immature.

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I know I gave up soloing on pup entirely after skeleton number 230 got a killshot by spamming enfeebles on me, easy prey cockatrice got the killshot on me by spamming silence, petrify, and poison, goobues get the best of me with paralyze > paralyze > beatdown.

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These are situations that can all be avoided without an AI fix. An AI fix just makes these situations easier to deal with. You can 1) not fight monsters that frequently inflict -na removable status effects, or 2) bring status cure items with you. Neither being ideal of course, but just saying. (An easy prey cockatrice shouldn't even be bringing you close to death, silence or not, however...)

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There's no reason to nerf the damage of the shots. NO reason.

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So you're saying that a PUP meleeing and doing WS, together with an automaton meleeing, shooting at the speed of a ranger for as much or more damage as a ranger and getting TP as fast as one and using strong wepon skills wouldn't be overpowered?

If they decrease the cooldown on ranged attacks to just weapon delay, sharpshot will be ridiculously, incredibly strong. I do not see anything like this happening without some sort of damage compromise.

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I've noticed topics with 50+ likes on op post get more replies from devs than ones with 50+ posts.

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Getting lots of likes does not mean you'll get a staff response. How many people "liked" the idea of upgrading the title screen (before the dev posted in it)? But they responded to that... It definitely does help to see what people are interested in. Just saying just because people click the like button, it doesn't mean you'll get a response. (This being said, I liked the post anyway :) )

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Getting lots of likes does not mean you'll get a staff response. How many people "liked" the idea of upgrading the title screen (before the dev posted in it)? But they responded to that... It definitely does help to see what people are interested in. Just saying just because people click the like button, it doesn't mean you'll get a response. (This being said, I liked the post anyway :) )

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I'm not necessarily saying that you need 50+ likes to get a response from them. I'm saying that most topics I've seen replied in the past have many likes.

I suppose that's true. Just a reminder that correlation does not imply causation. :)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

If they decrease the cooldown on ranged attacks to just weapon delay, sharpshot will be ridiculously, incredibly strong. I do not see anything like this happening without some sort of damage compromise.

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The damage compromise is not getting to melee at all. This was pointed out in the first post, the second post, and then several times directly to you since you keep ignoring it. The request is not "make sharpshot shoot faster". It is "give us a mode where sharpshot shoots faster but can't melee".

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The damage compromise is not getting to melee at all.

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If you're in melee range, you still make melee swings. These swings are getting you TP, they were never about good damage. Disabling melee swings with a mode does not go far enough to solve the problem- you're just losing a little bit of damage and some TP. It's not enough. At least, I don't see it being enough.

I think its more than Enough.

Reducing its Ranged timer from say, 20 to 12 or 10, and in turn remove its ability to use Melee attacks seems like a fair balance.

RNGs, Unlike Sharpshooter, Get access to WS like Jisnhu's which wrecks our frame, and abilities like Snapshot, Rapid Shot, The new Critical hit-ranged buff (something like 40%?), Velocity Shot or w/e that new RNG ability is, etc etc.

I just think It'd take more than reducing Their ranged delay and removing their ability to melee to be as strong as a RNG.

Edit: Furthemore, most RNGs can get a comfortable 5-hit build for their bows, where as an Automaton Frame gets TP based on a delay of 360. The RNG frame is far weaker than you make it out to be. Its slow to get TP, its slow to shoot, and its melee attacks are weak. buffing one field and removing another (Reduce range delay, remove melee) would be a decent balance, and not break it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

On a performance level? yes we are. That doesn't mean that immature people will stop being immature.

These are situations that can all be avoided without an AI fix. An AI fix just makes these situations easier to deal with. You can 1) not fight monsters that frequently inflict -na removable status effects, or 2) bring status cure items with you. Neither being ideal of course, but just saying. (An easy prey cockatrice shouldn't even be bringing you close to death, silence or not, however...)

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You are purposely being dense just to piss people off, aren't you?

Can these situations be avoided by bringing status cure items and/or avoiding those mob types? Yes, they could... if you don't mind giving up magian trials, FoV pages, certain fights, otherwise soloable mobs, and more, or if you don't mind paying a miniature fortune on echo drops, eye drops, antidotes, remedies to remove paralyze (which WILL always get paralyzed and used up without removing it... thanks for never changing that, as well, dev team! /sarcasm) and so on. I dunno about you, but I'd rather they just fix what should have been fixed a long time ago and save the headaches, and be able to participate in content everyone else can seemingly participate in with no trouble.

And believe it on the EP cockatrices killing me. Does it happen often? no, but it happens, and that shouldn't happen at all, especially not with signet boost. Yet it does, because all it takes is one cockatrice being a bastard sword and deciding to spam enfeeble moves at the last 25% of HP and you can't always kill it quickly because your using a horrible magian weapon that has +5 damage. -_-;

And please do not tell me to store tp and use ws at last 25%. That's exactly what I did, and a combination of low damage, unlucky whiffs, and no crits resulted in doing 8% of its HP removed, and a petrify status for my efforts, followed by ANOTHER petrify the instant my auto stonad, then it decided to attack my automaton and silence it while I was stoned, and then it slowly beat me down to death over the course of a minute, all because my automaton wouldn't cure me at all while I was stoned.

::edit:: lol, just noticed the tags for this thread. <_<;

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You are purposely being dense just to piss people off, aren't you?

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You're puprposely being offensive just to provoke me, aren't you?

1) I'm not being dense
2) I'm not trying to piss people off.

Read the part where I said "not ideal."

I killed EP cockatrice in Cape T to get crests for the limit breaks when they came out. I never once died because of silence (Largely because I used Valoredge instead and used role reversal, cannibal blade and repair to keep HP up), and I (and anyone else) can kill the cockatrice in abyssea no problem as well. There are ways around these difficulties.

Yes, solving the AI problem is the best solution. In the mean time, there are plenty of ways around the problem.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You're puprposely being offensive just to provoke me, aren't you?

1) I'm not being dense
2) I'm not trying to piss people off.

Read the part where I said "not ideal."

I killed EP cockatrice in Cape T to get crests for the limit breaks when they came out. I never once died because of silence (Largely because I used Valoredge instead and used role reversal, cannibal blade and repair to keep HP up), and I (and anyone else) can kill the cockatrice in abyssea no problem as well. There are ways around these difficulties.

Yes, solving the AI problem is the best solution. In the mean time, there are plenty of ways around the problem.

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Pot calling the kettle black much? Weren't you getting in a huff because you thought I was trying to speak for everyone earlier? And look at you now.

I'm not saying that there isn't ways around the difficulties of the A.I... normally. But most of the time using a different frame will not cut it and your forced to use meds just to stay alive, and even then often die if it's something like paralyze and you get unlucky with the random number generator. And the whole point of this thread is that there shouldn't be a in the mean time any more. I'm pretty sure most of us realize ways around it, but sometimes you gotta throw your hands in the air and say it isn't worth the hassle, and give up.

I can't even believe that as pup I can break bones no problem yet because they have a tp move that does blind, and mages always have ice spikes up and enfeeble me, that quite often they're the ones soloing me if they're too high a level or I get a link that I can't shake off. I cower at skeletons and I find that quite insulting to my pride as a hand-to-hand user.

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Pot calling the kettle black much?

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Pot is not calling the kettle black.

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And look at you now.

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I don't see a problem here. All I see is me being attacked on a personal level, and multiple people banding together with the attacker in the form of post likes.

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I cower at skeletons

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There's no reason to cower at skeletons, you should be stomping them. Using a different frame should cut it.

What part of I agree with an AI change aren't you seeing? Just because I'm pointing out alternate ways of dealing with a problem doesn't mean that I don't agree a problem exists.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear: I apologized for the way I went about ciritizing the topic title, and pointed out that I agree with some of what is being proposed. So why are you still slinging mud and making fun of me? Why are we still arguing over me and not discussing the topic?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Let's make one thing absolutely clear: I apologized for the way I went about ciritizing the topic title, and pointed out that I agree with some of what is being proposed. So why are you still slinging mud and making fun of me? Why are we still arguing over me and not discussing the topic?

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Because people love a good scapegoat to bash? Because we're bored? Because we hate Yukes? I dunno, you ask me <_<

Anyways, I do agree with getting back on topic. Namely, our chosen method of attack if the community reps don't respond soon. I personally nominate finding their addresses and emailing crying automaton dolls holding a sign saying "Fix me".

Betting they fired the A.I. programmer. :p

All they need to really do is put status heals on a certain maneuver priority (I'm thinking water or wind) so that you can still get them when you actually want them and not when you don't. Other maneuvers might be better (I sometimes use water with the condenser) but one of those makes the most sense.

You watch, they will ignore this topic and reply to some dumb post asking about the ability to put bumper stickers on their chocobo.

BLAH BLAH BLAH children. Stop whining and get back on topic. All of us as Puppetmasters Know what is wrong with the job, We all play it to our own liking though. So to have some basic changes would be something we have deserved for many years. Im not going to bash SE for what little thay have given. Im HAPPY to have it, but I/we play our autos and chars different. So to get back on track and NOT have a novel to read, can we use "simple words" and such for the hope that the DEV team reads this (that is the goal isnt it) and can help us with some basic issues. A SMARTER AUTO WHEN WE USE IT.

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I'm all for the gambit idea too, makes sense to be able to program your puppet-robot's AI.

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I've been saying that since the job came out...

Attachments should have been criteria for actions the automaton could take. You should have started off with basic "crappy" ones that make the automaton act like an idiot (i.e. like it does now) and then upgraded until you could make them function as a capable member of the party...

Maneuvers just detract of the PUP himself too much, decreasing your damage of time for faux gains that never quite add up.

I agree with everything the OP has said.

Longer lasting maneuvers!

Should we be able to manually cancel out maneuvers as well? Sometimes we throw up a maneuver to trigger an auto JA, and after that, the maneuver has really out-lived its usefulness.