emergency world maintenace already...........

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I see absolutely nothing that shows it to be windowed. Besides, what about windowed mode? That's not 3rd party.

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Look harder then.

Official non windower mode screen shots you can't prtscreen. You can't take regular screen shots w/ the menu open.

and of course he's using unofficial windower, look at the timestamp plug in. Again were blind to windowed mode, and then blind to unofficial windower.

The EU mat thread was deleted and reposted. >.>

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I see absolutely nothing that shows it to be windowed. Besides, what about windowed mode? That's not 3rd party.

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It would be nice if Windower had a different name just to avoid posts like this.

Windower = Third party tool
Windowed Mode = An option in the config executable to display the game in a window.

Dang! I wish I could have been online to see my level 10 WHM do that kind of damage. Pretty funny.

Glad to see though that most everyone has taken the issue in good humor, but you do have to wonder about the next major Version Update.

I wonder, how was exp affected? I mean the low level MNK/WHM 1 hitting that Level 91 monster surely got a tonne of exp or has SE capped that?

Hmm, I so needed Xibalba for seals. I was gonna work on my hands next. :P But of course, SE do need to fix it quickly, though 5 minutes is a bit too quick, whilst yes people were abusing the system and winning out of it, I suspect plenty of other folk missed out because they were fighting NMs, doing Dynamis or whatever. Luckily I was only skilling up.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I wonder, how was exp affected? I mean the low level MNK/WHM 1 hitting that Level 91 monster surely got a tonne of exp or has SE capped that?

Hmm, I so needed Xibalba for seals. I was gonna work on my hands next. :P But of course, SE do need to fix it quickly, though 5 minutes is a bit too quick, whilst yes people were abusing the system and winning out of it, I suspect plenty of other folk missed out because they were fighting NMs, doing Dynamis or whatever. Luckily I was only skilling up.

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Man you guys are just plain wrong. The real reason this emergency maintenance will take over 4 hrs is they are installing a new heavy duty load capacity toiled seat in my moghouse. Do you realize the true size of a galka's butt?

I don't think they'll be banning people.. though honestly I Wouldn't put it completely past them. I remember the salvage duping bannings in the past....

What they MIGHT do is roll the servers back to oh... 20 mins or so before they took them down. That they could do you know. Just saying. But they could just be lazy and leave well enough alone and be all, "Heh... Sorry about that! Our bad! *Smacks Developer with rolled up newspaper* Bad! No cookie for you!"

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Originally Posted by Rearden

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What I mean is. You got the level 16MNK/WHM 1 shotting a Level 91 undead mob - I'd like to know how much exp he received. Does SE cap exp or will it multiply the higher up, so a Level 16 killing a level 91 would give an insane amount of exp? Therefore making this balls up beneficial to exp gain.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I see absolutely nothing that shows it to be windowed. Besides, what about windowed mode? That's not 3rd party.

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he uses windower
-time in chat
-tp in pt overview
-0.0 in top status bar below help

that's the proof of windower, this things aren't at the official client.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

What I mean is. You got the level 16MNK/WHM 1 shotting a Level 91 undead mob - I'd like to know how much exp he received. Does SE cap exp or will it multiply the higher up, so a Level 16 killing a level 91 would give an insane amount of exp? Therefore making this balls up beneficial to exp gain.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

What I mean is. You got the level 16MNK/WHM 1 shotting a Level 91 undead mob - I'd like to know how much exp he received. Does SE cap exp or will it multiply the higher up, so a Level 16 killing a level 91 would give an insane amount of exp? Therefore making this balls up beneficial to exp gain.

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I'm pretty sure it caps 400 without a band...only way to go higher than that is to get exp chains, which would be really easy to get one-shotting things.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

What I mean is. You got the level 16MNK/WHM 1 shotting a Level 91 undead mob - I'd like to know how much exp he received. Does SE cap exp or will it multiply the higher up, so a Level 16 killing a level 91 would give an insane amount of exp? Therefore making this balls up beneficial to exp gain.

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XP has a cap regardless of level, otherwise people would have been PLing people in merit pts for ages.

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Originally Posted by Alukat

that's the proof of windower, this things aren't at the official client.

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They're obviously 3rd pt, but an obvious mark of a windower specifically?

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

XP has a cap regardless of level, otherwise people would have been PLing people in merit pts for ages.They're obviously 3rd pt, but an obvious mark of a windower specifically?

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Seriously.. stop....

anyone that has even remotely looked into windower and has seen screenshots over the years knows what it looks like.. no point in even trying to say it isnt.. Also.. FPS rate in top right corner... thats not on 'official' windower nor on any others as far as im aware.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I see absolutely nothing that shows it to be windowed. Besides, what about windowed mode? That's not 3rd party.

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that is windower.

Maybe they were having fun with these ideas:

one-hit kill undead with raise thread

"This worked in older FF games stuff, thread"

and forgot to take out that code when they were done.

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They're obviously 3rd pt, but an obvious mark of a windower specifically?

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Official non windower mode screen shots you can't prtscreen. You can't take regular screen shots w/ the menu open.

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Official non windower mode screen shots you can't prtscreen. You can't take regular screen shots w/ the menu open.

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Official non windower mode screen shots you can't prtscreen. You can't take regular screen shots w/ the menu open.

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In case you missed it at the top of the page.

I know its Windower and all but... Is fraps not a possibility? Or is this more about "Third party tools" and not specifically Windower?

Or do people still think you can be banned for using Fraps too >_>?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I know its Windower and all but... Is fraps not a possibility? Or is this more about "Third party tools" and not specifically Windower?

Or do people still think you can be banned for using Fraps too >_>?

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If not, I'm sure Tsu will say they could be playing legit and taking a pic w/ their digital camera!

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Originally Posted by Gennadi

Man you guys are just plain wrong. The real reason this emergency maintenance will take over 4 hrs is they are installing a new heavy duty load capacity toiled seat in my moghouse. Do you realize the true size of a galka's butt?

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LOL thats funny........ wait where my toilet mog must be hiding it.

That's Windower because you can still see the FPS in the top right corner. Fraps doesn't do that, that's the Windower FPS meter.

Lol......that was me yelling about the 1.6m before I logged.....on Baha.....

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Originally Posted by Neika

I'm pretty sure it caps 400 without a band...only way to go higher than that is to get exp chains, which would be really easy to get one-shotting things.

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Ah thanks for clearing that up. So at least it wasn't THAT insanely broken that I could have easily levelled my WHM up several levels in those 2 hours. :P

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

In case you missed it at the top of the page.

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What you can and cannot take screen shots of has nothing to do with windower/windowed. He's obviously not using the ingame screen capture. What I am say is the presence of other 3rd pt tools do not preclude the presense of a windower.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

If not, I'm sure Tsu will say they could be playing legit and taking a pic w/ their digital camera!

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I'm not defending it, the guy is obviously not legit. You're missing everything that I said and you do not need a windower to take screen shots. There are countless non-FFXI programs for screen capture. Legitimate programs are not 3rd pt tools.

and?

Convo looks like this

"Hey you don't know if he's using windower or not"

*points to 3rd pt plug ins*

"Well, IF he weren't using those, you wouldn't be able to tell"

Well, he was and we can tell. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

and?

Convo looks like this

"Hey you don't know if he's using windower or not"

*points to 3rd pt plug ins*

"Well, IF he weren't using those, you wouldn't be able to tell"

Well, he was and we can tell. End of story.

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Allow me to illustrate.

http://i.imgur.com/Ve5Ql.png

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Originally Posted by Seyrena

Allow me to illustrate.

http://i.imgur.com/Ve5Ql.png

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You forgot to highlight the more noticeable [GM] and TimeStamp plugins, too.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

You forgot to highlight the more noticeable [GM] and TimeStamp plugins, too.

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http://i.imgur.com/6jZRg.png

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

and?

Convo looks like this

"Hey you don't know if he's using windower or not"

*points to 3rd pt plug ins*

"Well, IF he weren't using those, you wouldn't be able to tell"

Well, he was and we can tell. End of story.

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No, you're saying that the use of 3rd pt tools automatically includes the use of a windower. That the ability to take a screen shot automatically includes the use of a windower. I'm saying that regardless of the obvious 3rd pt tools, there's no way for you to know that he's not using that along with the official windower. It's just your assumption.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

You forgot to highlight the more noticeable [GM] and TimeStamp plugins, too.

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And the GM tag doesn't have to be a plugin, it could simply be a .dat swap.

I'm just expecting a:

"I'm using Windower so I know what it looks like!" response. Then click. Then ban (or warning).

GDI our servers are down and your fighting about a Gosh Darn Picture! WTF people!?

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GDI our servers are down and your fighting about a Gosh Darn Picture! WTF people!?

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Yes, won't someone please think of the servers!

I feel like I'm the only person that senses the sarcasm in his posts >.> Either way.

Fastest emergency maintenance that felt like an emergency maintenance ever.

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No, you're saying that the use of 3rd pt tools automatically includes the use of a windower. That the ability to take a screen shot automatically includes the use of a windower. I'm saying that regardless of the obvious 3rd pt tools, there's no way for you to know that he's not using that along with the official windower. It's just your assumption.

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I'm saying that doesn't matter.

We said THAT PARTICULAR PERSON was using windower and you said we do not know that. Then we pointed out the plug ins, which indicated he was using windower.

Being wrong, you changed the subject to you don't need windower to take screen shots. See my point?

That's like when you get into an argument with a crazy gf. You point out she's wrong, so she just jumps on the next thing to complain about because she likes to complain.

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And the GM tag doesn't have to be a plugin, it could simply be a .dat swap.

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Arguing for the sake of arguing.

How's that nin/drk working out for you?

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

How's that nin/drk working out for you?

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Very well actualy.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

And the GM tag doesn't have to be a plugin, it could simply be a .dat swap.

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Yes, and it could be simply a function enabled by a GUI botting program.

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Look harder then.

Official non windower mode screen shots you can't prtscreen. You can't take regular screen shots w/ the menu open.

and of course he's using unofficial windower, look at the timestamp plug in. Again were blind to windowed mode, and then blind to unofficial windower.

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Actually, you can take screen shots with the menu open while playing in the official windowed mode of FFXI. You just have to have another window selected/on top. I've done this many times just having a text file open, doing a PrtScn of my entire monitor screen, then pasting the image into Photoshop and cropping out all but the FFXI window. It's a pain in the rear but it IS doable without any 3rd party program like Windower.

Granted, they won't be "official" screenshots since it won't add that copyright information, but they'll also not be reduced to that smaller resolution either.

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Official non windower mode screen shots you can't prtscreen. You can't take regular screen shots w/ the menu open.

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I bolded it for you, in case you missed it the first time.

;)

... ... /facepalm

It was just extended 3 hours.