Change the Atma "Atma of the Razed Ruins" to better aid all jobs!

Yes it is a nerf. Still who would deny drk, sam any other job that doesn't have a crit hit WS a EXP party slot. Just enaging themob is enough for most. Fight NMs its not about dmg since they die shorty after procing anyway with most getting to 50% just getting all procs. You still won't get invite to NMs since war can proc more then you, with a nin all red are covered, so either way all you got is EXP in abyssea. Outside of abyssea it doesn't matter either since you don't have atma.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Yes it is a nerf. Still who would deny drk, sam any other job that doesn't have a crit hit WS a EXP party slot. Just enaging themob is enough for most. Fight NMs its not about dmg since they die shorty after procing anyway with most getting to 50% just getting all procs. You still won't get invite to NMs since war can proc more then you, with a nin all red are covered, so either way all you got is EXP in abyssea. Outside of abyssea it doesn't matter either since you don't have atma.

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well it isnt a nerf and ppl who say that have no idea what they are talking about <_<


anddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd usefullness aside i have alot of situations where doing more damage on DRK ( our main fortae btw if you forgot?) annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd you know we all go for gear to do more damage too right if it doesnt matter can i has all your +2 stuff and you can give up on getting that empy too

If you going after +2s or emp items why take more people then needed. Thing is you still not going to be a first pick for NMs in a age where taking 6 poeple if more then enough to kill every NM in abyssea. You can strip it down even more if you have war, mnk at 90, with 2 friends with thf, nin, whm at 90 don't need +2 items, prefarm the KI NMs proc red. Once you have KIs warp/job change mnk, thf, whm fewer people to farm for. Those 3 jobs will kill the mob fast enough to come out ahead of having a group with more poeple. So yes ALL you have is dmg which is not that needed in abyssea. After just farming one emp.weapon you would have more then enough +2 items for you main jobs not to mention if the other 2 people with you are also after weapons.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

If you going after +2s or emp items why take more people then needed. Thing is you still not going to be a first pick for NMs in a age where taking 6 poeple if more then enough to kill every NM in abyssea. You can strip it down even more if you have war, mnk at 90, with 2 friends with thf, nin, whm at 90 don't need +2 items, prefarm the KI NMs proc red. Once you have KIs warp/job change mnk, thf, whm fewer people to farm for. Those 3 jobs will kill the mob fast enough to come out ahead of having a group with more poeple. So yes ALL you have is dmg which is not that needed in abyssea. After just farming one emp.weapon you would have more then enough +2 items for you main jobs not to mention if the other 2 people with you are also after weapons.

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this is totally off topic but sure i guess?

my point was that it would make the job more enjoyable not make it out proc a war / nin i dont want that its boring and mehhh i just want to be good at the one things im good at :x not allover fucked by a proc whore war

How is it not enjoyable now. Oh well if that is what would make your job enjoyable I geuss different strokes for different folks. I enjoy procing both red and yellow on blu then all out damage. Outside of abyssea were the Devs are hoping we go (not likely yet) RR won't matter.

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Originally Posted by Jar

not everything is done lowman man and procs are not everything in the game

exp is done by all jobs this just evens up the damage potential of DDs somewhat inside abyssea over favoring 1 or 2 jobs outright extremely..

also explain your reasoning behind "You'd still see the same jobs doing the same things, but they'd take longer and cause congestion." this would overall boost ALL jobs even the ones getting the boost from RR already will see a bosst when they DONT critical. wouldnt change gameplay at all and i dont want it to i just want to see more than a few jobs pulling 6K weaponskills.(still wouldnt happen like it does with ukko's.)

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Because EXP is hard. Derp.

Ukko's is the best WS even outside of Abyssea, contrary to popular belief which would have you think that Fudo or Torcleaver is better outside. Truth is Fudo and Torcleaver are weaker, though more consistent since you need to buff up your DEX to make Ukko's higher. Drakesbane comes closer to Ukko's than anything, other than Hi and Victory Smite in Abyssea (Of course not including Ranged WS like Jishnu's Radiance and Wildfire because the DPS of those weapons in general is just so horrible since they don't get haste). Depending on the target WAR has better TP gain anyway thanks to retaliation. If you're fighting something you can't retaliate against- you're probably not going to want to melee it anyway.

This change would only put WAR even further ahead.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Because EXP is hard. Derp.

Ukko's is the best WS even outside of Abyssea, contrary to popular belief which would have you think that Fudo or Torcleaver is better outside. Truth is Fudo and Torcleaver are weaker, though more consistent since you need to buff up your DEX to make Ukko's higher. Drakesbane comes closer to Ukko's than anything, other than Hi and Victory Smite in Abyssea (Of course not including Ranged WS like Jishnu's Radiance and Wildfire because the DPS of those weapons in general is just so horrible since they don't get haste). Depending on the target WAR has better TP gain anyway thanks to retaliation. If you're fighting something you can't retaliate against- you're probably not going to want to melee it anyway.

This change would only put WAR even further ahead.

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empy drk wins outside abyssea outright all the time <_< not because we do more DMG per WS but we hit so much faster unless the war is getting ideal buffs it will lose. ( my LS has multiple ukko's and torcleavers and we run dyna sometimes)

but wait this isnt a war Vs. drk thread gtfo troll if you think this will just make war better explain to me how it wont make non crit jobs much much stronger. like war goes from 5 to 6 and none crit goes from 3 to 5 :P

anyway im closeing the thread its just trollololols that are coming in now no logic no thought more or less just complaining.