where is the gil?

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Yeah, but doesn't mean that normal players couldn't make money the same way.

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I don't disagree, that's just when the rumor about NPCing too much = auto banned sprung up.

RMT generally find easy way to make gil and exploit them. Players often find the same thing. SE then sets a program to automatically ban everyone that does a specific thing, like NPCing a lot of Wildgrass Seed products to the Galka NPC at the Chocobo Stables in Bastok Mines. They get rid of many many RMT, but they also get rid of a few legitimate players.

If you're doing something that's very profitable and doesn't require social interaction or moving large quantities of gil around on fresh accounts, you're at larger risk for getting banned than if you get your gil in another way. That said, the only examples I've heard of where people get banned for NPCing Cruor purchases are when it is a fairly new account. They might factor account age into it.

SE's ban appeal system is rumored to be horrendous, so RMT-related bans are almost always permanent even if you aren't RMT.

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

auto ban for NPCing items you bought with cruor? someone explain this to me, you earned the cruor, you should have the right to do with it as you please, if SE doesnt want you to NPC it for gil then they should not make it sellable to NPCs

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from what i understand someone made a thread on these forums asking about the banning policy because he was banned for RMT activity and he mentioned that the only thing he would NPC constantly was the cruor gear (aurore perle and teal sets) course I only looked at the thread when it was still only a page so idk if the topic creator deleted the thread or if any other developments occurred as the thread continued

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

from what i understand someone made a thread on these forums asking about the banning policy because he was banned for RMT activity and he mentioned that the only thing he would NPC constantly was the cruor gear (aurore perle and teal sets) course I only looked at the thread when it was still only a page so idk if the topic creator deleted the thread or if any other developments occurred as the thread continued

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He also amitted that the account was only a month old and was burned to 90, not saying either is wrong or right but SE auto banner coulda seen fresh account hit 90 in break neck speed NPC a ton of armor. Speed leveling and NPCing stuff are known RMT tricks were one or the other would be low risk both is asking for it.

ah I see it's been awhile since I visited these forums so that important detail must have slipped my mind thanks for the clarification Ravenmore

Anything and everything COULD get you banned, its comes down to how SE looks at it at any given time.

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Originally Posted by CrAZYVIC

A good craft still making some profit is alchemy, Woodworking and cooking.

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Cooking only has money of you have high fishing or key items. Otherwise you can still make a good proffit margin, but when the end result only sells for 4-6k, you're better off farming something instead. Woodworking only has money if you have decently leveled bonecraft and are already high level so you can HQ. No HQ, no proffit. As for alchemy? No clue, never touched it.
I suggest wild onions. Drop fast, sell fast.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Anything and everything COULD get you banned, its comes down to how SE looks at it at any given time.

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Is this entirely accurate? I do believe they only ban for violation of ToS?

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Originally Posted by DebbieGibson

Is this entirely accurate? I do believe they only ban for violation of ToS?

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Considering the ToS can be changed at any time SE sees fit yes.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

Considering the ToS can be changed at any time SE sees fit yes.

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Is there any history to support the idea that SE might change the ToS to something that says "all players younger than 3 months who npc cruor armor will get banned"?

They have enough "We can ban you whenever we want" clauses in the TOS that they're covered. They don't need to ban you for something against the TOS, nor is it important if you were violating the TOS if you get banned. There's essentially no way to get your account back regardless of whether the banning was invalid.

* I have a friend that transferred 100mil to another server on a mule to buy cheaper currency. Instant ban. Never got it back
* Rambus made gil with his alt by doing wildgrass seed farming. Banned. Never got it back.
* People regularly get banned for creditcard chargebacks. Look around in the TOS and see if you can find that.

etc. etc. You don't have to violate the TOS to get banned, and there's no clear correlation between violating the TOS and getting banned. The TOS is so worthless that it's almost not worth mentioning.

TOS is just a catchall anyway. SE can and will ban you for anything.

When me and my GF got our accounts stolen many moons ago in the RMT steal-spree, she got from SE a stripped account after a lengthy process in which SE was as unhelpful as possible. The TOS was used as the reason for getting nothing back as SE isn't responsible for anything and any assistance they give for the account you rent is purely a matter of courtesy towards your person.

My account was permabanned and took nearly a year to get back with numerous SE representatives giving me the run around. I had given up all hope and moved on and I think in most cases it'd be perfectly normal to just prep yourself for the loss and move on. SEs system of overturning bans is prehistoric.

Between paying for calls to their CA offices to having to wait hours on the phone line, a SE ban is not only a monetary loss but a mental test of patience and endurance.

GM policy is separate from the ToS. What I am saying is that you do not get banned for random things. There is a policy in place, even if you go to a GM and tell them you're hacking they won't ban you. If I recall the quoted GM correctly "Just because he says he is botting, doesn't mean he is."

And I had 3 accounts banned for wildgrass RMT and I got all 3 of them back via ban complaint submitted over the phone.

I just think "anything can get you banned" is a bit of an overstatement.

hrm, my account is more than 7 years old, perhaps that is the reason I'm not being banned for stuff like that....

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Originally Posted by DebbieGibson

GM policy is separate from the ToS. What I am saying is that you do not get banned for random things. There is a policy in place, even if you go to a GM and tell them you're hacking they won't ban you. If I recall the quoted GM correctly "Just because he says he is botting, doesn't mean he is."

And I had 3 accounts banned for wildgrass RMT and I got all 3 of them back via ban complaint submitted over the phone.

I just think "anything can get you banned" is a bit of an overstatement.

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They don't even have to give you a reason why you were banned. So it stands anytime SE decides that something is no longer ligit they can start banning. Even if a GM says working as intented that does not mean you won't still get banned. Its SE game and in the ToS it even states that it can change without notice. Just because you had good luck getting your account back does not mean its even close to the norm. Even the roll backs are a crap shot since you have no idea at what point they will (if they even do it) roll your account back to.

What is one of these things that SE has decided is no longer legit and has thus started banning?
Do you know of an instance where SE has banned someone inexplicably?

What does character data recovery have to do with bans?