Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content (Gear, Weapons, Quest, etc.)?

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Again, people don't NEED to have an idea to tell someone that theirs is a bad idea. Unless you want me to come up with a bad idea myself just to tell you both of these ideas are bad.

Heres an idea:

Instead of doing this, have a contest to design a piece of level 1, no stat, event gear. Something that LOOKS nice, that people might want, that in no way has anything to do with having to balance stats, etc.

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Grats man! I can respect that idea as constructive feedback. It's devoid of tear downs and flame. 100% cooler than all the other post you've ever posted in regards to my threads! I don't understand why someone would be on a suggestion website to solely tear down peoples suggestions. If you don't wish to suggest anything, why waste time posting here?

However, you do realize this would be the equivalent of the type of submission talked about in the OP. If there was a helmet that had no stats listed, what you just suggested would be a possible submission. A balanced and cool submission at that.

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Originally Posted by Shibayama

No problem - at the very least I always enjoy seeing what you come up with. It's usually alittle off the wall and I think thats cool. Also... are you from Valefore?

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^^ can't argue that some ideas are more out there than others (ex. Domesticated Wyrms), but some would be cool to see none the less. Yeah I reside on Valefore.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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^^ can't argue that some ideas are more out there than others (ex. Domesticated Wyrms), but some would be cool to see none the less. Yeah I reside on Valefore.

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Aha... I just transferred there 2 months ago. Maybe we can talk about art stuffs next time we're both online.

Sounds cool man. /salute

Lemmie know if you need some help murdering anything!

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Originally Posted by Minsc

Reread your whole "GIVE WARs ALL WEAPON SKILLS!!!" rant. You read a small portion of my feedback, responded to a smaller portion. Despite what some on here are saying, we want to read more of your ideas. Please keep posting! ^^b lol

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lol Didn't say "ALL" but okay. As long as you're posting feedback that doesn't focus on tearing down the suggestion in a disrespectful way and you offer some actual alternatives/solutions based on the thread, I'll respond in turn with that same respect. I've never bashed anyone on these threads for voicing their opinions in a respectful manner, and never will.

It's the other types of post (like your quote post sitting on the 1st page of this thread) that want nothing more than to tear down, flame, or pick a fight for no reason that I've become accustomed to ignoring.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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lol Didn't say "ALL" but okay. As long as you're posting feedback that doesn't focus on tearing down the suggestion in a disrespectful way and you offer some actual alternatives/solutions based on the thread, I'll respond in turn with that same respect. I've never bashed anyone on these threads for voicing their opinions in a respectful manner, and never will.

It's the other types of post (like your quote post sitting on the 1st page of this thread) that want nothing more than to tear down, flame, or pick a fight for no reason that I've become accustomed to ignoring.

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The quotes are simply saying exactly what I'm feeling about a particular idea. Similar to why people buy greeting cards, cause they can't put into words how they are feeling. However, I will try and add alternatives/solutions if it means you'll post more great ideas!

Who is a nazi?

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Originally Posted by kingfury

I don't understand why someone would be on a suggestion website to solely tear down peoples suggestions. If you don't wish to suggest anything, why waste time posting here?

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I'm sorry, are you saying that when someone posts an idea about something they want changed or implemented into the game, others shouldn't express their opinion about this idea unless they have previously posted an idea/suggestion regarding the game?

This forum is overflowing with terrible ideas (in my opinion), and if it's bad enough yet presented in such a manner that I suspect the Devs might actually take a second look at it, I'm certainly going to voice my opinion to make sure the Devs know there are players out there that dislike said ideas. Fairly certain other people feel the same way as I do on this matter.

I am on the verge of being legitimately insulted by the fact that some troglodyte just seriously compared a forum poster to Nazis.

Reading is FUN. lol ><

"nazi-like, tear down quotes", as in hate-filled and negative... devoid anything positive.

Dude, Nazi-like is still calling someone a Nazi because, oh I dunno, you are comparing them to a Nazi?

/sigh by reading, one would see that I referred to his "quotes" and not him.

ahh, yes. Reading is fun.

So it's the Quote that he posted that is comparable to the writings and rhetoric of the Nazi party? Because that's exactly what I said just now.

And it's still sick.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

ahh, yes. Reading is fun.

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So is learning how to convey your thoughts correctly.

I just posted this

"nazi-like, tear down quotes", as in hate-filled and negative... devoid anything positive.

READ man.

I did read. "Nazi-like" is comparing it to a Nazi.

I would still like to know if you actually think that people shouldn't voice their (opposing) opinion unless they have made a suggestion/posted an idea somewhere on the forum themselves.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

So is learning how to convey your thoughts correctly.

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I'm fully capable of conveying my thoughts correctly. If I had said his quotes are "EXACTLY like those of the Nazi's", then I would be conveying that thought.

I said "nazi-like". Comprehending is another great part of reading.

"Nazi-like", comparable to Nazi. In the context of quotes, that is saying that the tear-down quotes you are referencing are comparable to the writings and rhetoric of the Nazi party.

Hyperbole is one thing. Comparing some internet trash talk on a video game forum where people just don't seem to like you to the Nazi party is absolutely sickening. Stop trying to save face. You're not going to get anywhere.

No amount of "hate-filled" internet posting on this forum will ever, ever be comparable to the rhetoric of the Nazi party.

Edit: Note that I'm not saying "EXACTLY" either. To even compare hate-filled quotes, and Nazi rhetoric, is insulting because it implies that they are even close enough to be compared. Nazi rhetoric is worlds away from some doo-dooheads saying mean things about you on the interwebs.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I'm sorry, are you saying that when someone posts an idea about something they want changed or implemented into the game, others aren't allowed to express their opinion about this idea unless they have previously posted an idea/suggestion regarding the game?

This forum is overflowing with terrible ideas (in my opinion), and if it's bad enough yet presented in such a manner that I suspect the Devs might actually take a second look at it, I'm certainly going to voice my opinion.

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Disagreeing with a post is one thing, "i need attention, mithra gave me herpes, personal deviantart" is another. When someone thinks another person is stupid and result to "hurhur you're retarded" personal attacks, it shows a lot of ignorance on their part. I'm all for correcting someone or inserting your opinion as to why their idea is wrong, but this berating that goes on towards targeted "idiots" is a bit much.

While I don't agree with a majority of his posts, I don't feel the need to attack him on a personal level to derail the topic every time he posts. I'm willing to bet whatever KF posts will be shot down instantaneously with the arguements "You're an idiot" "You just want attention" "Stop showing off your retarded drawings" regardless of if the original post has ANY merit to it at all.

Take your own advice. I was referencing the tone of the quotes, which are "negative and hateful". Unless history has changed, the nazi's functioned in both manners.

Good lord you are dense.

The degree to which Nazis are hateful so greatly eclipses anything some meanie-head could ever say to you on these forums, that it is an insult to the human race to even compare the two.

The Nazis were hateful. Check.

Posts on this forum were hateful. Check.

That does not mean the levels of hate in the two situations are even remotely comparable. No poster here is going to kill millions of people because they don't gear swap in Final Fantasy XI.

@ Tamoa:

How did respond to your post Tamoa? Though you do not agree with the thread topic, you still voiced your concerns in a respectful manner. I responded in turn in that same respectful manner. I have no problem with opposing opinions like yours.

It's the other types of post that have zero respect or feedback that I'm referring to when I say "why be on a suggestion thread if all you wish to do is tear people down?"

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

Disagreeing with a post is one thing, "i need attention, mithra gave me herpes, personal deviantart" is another. When someone thinks another person is stupid and result to "hurhur you're retarded" personal attacks, it shows a lot of ignorance on their part. I'm all for correcting someone or inserting your opinion as to why their idea is wrong, but this berating that goes on towards targeted "idiots" is a bit much.

While I don't agree with a majority of his posts, I don't feel the need to attack him on a personal level to derail the topic every time he posts. I'm willing to bet whatever KF posts will be shot down instantaneously with the arguements "You're an idiot" "You just want attention" "Stop showing off your retarded drawings" regardless of if the original post has ANY merit to it at all.

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Well, the OP said so himself "if you don't wish to suggest anything, why waste time posting here?"

I, and everyone else on this forum, do have the right to disagree with someone and tell them why we think their idea is bad.

Also, certain personalities on this forum stick out like a sore thumb. It seems to me that because the OP got positive feedback from SE in his Gyms of Vana'diel" thread, his head swelled to immense proportions. And when it turned out that GoV wasn't Gyms of Vana'diel, he couldn't let it go. Finally, the /stagger, /salute etc, is just annoying as hell in a forum post - it's in-game emotes and they don't really work outside of FFXI, you know?

Edit: @Kingfury: you made your last post while I was still typing this. I understand what you are saying, and you might not like this post much. However, I'm not trying to attack you on a personal level, I'm just stating how I, and probably others too, perceive you on this forum. Oh and psst - the /emoting really is annoying. :(

I'm talking about the tone of a quote Gg. The TONE. I have no idea how you've manage to go so far into into it.

Seeing as this is a sensitive subject for ya, I'll tap out of this one.

I'm talking about the tone, too. How you've failed to see that is beyond me. I've only said it directly up to 5 times now.

I'll just settle with knowing that there are some absolutely horrid human beings out there, with the gall to compare the tone of some people on the internet to the pure, unadulterated hatred of the Nazi party.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Well, the OP said so himself "if you don't wish to suggest anything, why waste time posting here?"

I, and everyone else on this forum, do have the right to disagree with someone and tell them why we think their idea is bad.

Also, certain personalities on this forum stick out like a sore thumb. It seems to me that because the OP got positive feedback from SE in his Gyms of Vana'diel" thread, his head swelled to immense proportions. And when it turned out that GoV wasn't Gyms of Vana'diel, he couldn't let it go. Finally, the /stagger, /salute etc, is just annoying as hell in a forum post - it's in-game emotes and they don't really work outside of FFXI, you know?

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You do have the right to do so, just most people don't take the time to. I'm just noticing that it's usually the same people though that hop into certain topics with nothing more than the intention to attack and derail the thread. They have no intention on adding anything to the topic, nor do they say why they think the idea is bad.

When you flat out call someone an idiot, it usually causes that person to get defensive. After that they refuse to listen to anything you have to say whether or not you're trying to help. If you calmly tell them why they're wrong, you MAY get them to listen to you. Even if they don't, your opinion is out there for other people to read. You may educate others who are misinformed. I'm of course speaking in general and not specifically about this thread, nor am I acusing you of acting like this. From what I've seen Tamoa, you know how to disagree in a very calm way that gets your point across.

I just don't like how it resorts to crap like this that both sides are guilty of at this point.

O.o; whoa so much hate (but funny comments regardless.) but sadly im not for this idea its not really sensible to impliment most of what players come up with. the important stuff like af3 boots, job fixes and such should come first

When people rally in ignorance, they'll find anything to pick out and magnify. Like CrstWpn. said, I'm not surprised that folks are finding any and everything they can to toss hate at.

The text version of our in-game emotes don't make sense anywhere else on the internet, that much I'll agree to, but I'm using them in a place where everyone viewing them knows exactly what they mean and where they come from. I don't know why a /salute would annoy you.

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Originally Posted by Chiibi

O.o; whoa so much hate (but funny comments regardless.) but sadly im not for this idea its not really sensible to impliment most of what players come up with. the important stuff like af3 boots, job fixes and such should come first

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By all means Chiibi, the important stuff would be in no danger of being overshadowed by this once a year contest. It would literally be for the fun of players suggesting ideas and hoping to see something unique enter the game.

Honestly, I'd have been insulted even if it wasn't you and I had absolutely no history of dealing with you. There's "Finding any reason to yell at you", and there's being legitimately insulted (rare as hell for me on the internet) about an utterly ignorant and gross comparison of an internet attitude to one of the most notorious hatemongering cults of the 20th century.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

You do have the right to do so, just most people don't take the time to. I'm just noticing that it's usually the same people though that hop into certain topics with nothing more than the intention to attack and derail the thread. They have no intention on adding anything to the topic, nor do they say why they think the idea is bad.

When you flat out call someone an idiot, it usually causes that person to get defensive. After that they refuse to listen to anything you have to say whether or not you're trying to help. If you calmly tell them why they're wrong, you MAY get them to listen to you. Even if they don't, your opinion is out there for other people to read. You may educate others who are misinformed. I'm of course speaking in general and not specifically about this thread, nor am I acusing you of acting like this. From what I've seen Tamoa, you know how to disagree in a very calm way that gets your point across.

I just don't like how it resorts to crap like this that both sides are guilty of at this point.

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I agree with you CrystWpn., and I never enjoy it when the hate crew show up to flood threads, regardless if it's my thread or any other. Ignoring disrespectful people is like trying to ignore someone shoving an old lady for me. It's how I'm wired I suppose. Some folks can look the other way and think nothing of it, while it tears me up to even see it. There's just some wrongs that should be dealt with. Especially if there's absolutely no grounds for such disrespect.

I just refused to be intimidated by such people, and attitudes. I'll keep trying to stay on topic, but some folks really do need to be booted in the butt a bit.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

Disagreeing with a post is one thing, "i need attention, mithra gave me herpes, personal deviantart" is another. When someone thinks another person is stupid and result to "hurhur you're retarded" personal attacks, it shows a lot of ignorance on their part. I'm all for correcting someone or inserting your opinion as to why their idea is wrong, but this berating that goes on towards targeted "idiots" is a bit much.

While I don't agree with a majority of his posts, I don't feel the need to attack him on a personal level to derail the topic every time he posts. I'm willing to bet whatever KF posts will be shot down instantaneously with the arguements "You're an idiot" "You just want attention" "Stop showing off your retarded drawings" regardless of if the original post has ANY merit to it at all.

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Very much agreed, I see the same hand full of people putting others down in damn near every thread I go to read. These forums where created for exactly what King is doing, player feedback and ideas. So what he likes to show his art work with his suggestions; It's one of the ways that he likes to communicate his thoughts, and its a good one seeing as we humans are visual creatures. I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion. If you feel something is a bad idea, you don't have to be so negative about it; You can say you don't like the idea without attacking the person, its really not necessary. I see these same people post in thread after thread insulting others like jealous little children, and derailing the thread from its intended purpose; Which to me seems sad because they seem to be very intelligent people yet they place their self in such a negative light. They seem to want to sabotage the forum, and keep it from doing what it was made for. King keep doing what it is you do. A hand full of people do not represent the whole, and a lot of others including my self are enjoying the ideas and artwork. Keep them coming no matter how silly it seems heh!

While i agree there is a fine line between harassment and disagreeing.

The sad truth is, If you do not want a bad idea implemented you have to show you disagree with it. In every single thread that is a bad idea. If the parties in question simply stopped posting that they disagree with threads, some of those terrible ideas might actually be added.

Because if SE sees a topic that is inherently a bad idea, but no one objects to it, it might be considered, these aren't too dangerous really, they rarely happen.

the real problems are the threads that aren't inherently bad but Just do not make a lick of sense in FFXI and aren't worth the time/effort. Like Flying "mounts". (i vehemently hate most "MMO Slang" terms... Guild, Mount, DKP... Thats just me though)

So you might just see the same few names, but if they're giving a reason the idea is bad, it just proves they care about the Direction this game is going, because they continue to take the time to try and at least show SE there are some people in the community who feel the idea isn't thought-out/bad.

And yes, If i find something i disagree with i will give reasons as to why i don't consider it a good idea. I don't care if I'm labeled a troll by the slack-jawed 10yr-old internet posters who throw that word out left and right without knowing its definition.

I want FFXI to thrive, wasted Development time on things like "Cheese-Sandwich" is something i don't want happening again. So i can relate to those who will go to bad horrible idea threads and disagree with it, try to give reasons, and hopefully get through to some people.

On this thread, I don't think its a bad idea. It could lead to some really interesting stories, I think we should keep the rewards up to the Dev team though.

This forum isn't about vehemently circle-jerking eachothers bad ideas, Its about the freedom to exchange ideas and discussion, good or bad, agree or disagree, you accept the terms of threads when you post one. If you can't take criticism, Constructive, or not so constructive, you have no right to post a thread to begin with.

(Please note my above statement is directed and no 1 poster, just a general statement regarding my belief on forum actions)

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Honestly, I'd have been insulted even if it wasn't you and I had absolutely no history of dealing with you. There's "Finding any reason to yell at you", and there's being legitimately insulted (rare as hell for me on the internet) about an utterly ignorant and gross comparison of an internet attitude to one of the most notorious hatemongering cults of the 20th century.

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I tell ya what man, it's obviously a misunderstanding. If I used the wrong verbiage to say what I had to say, and offended you, my apologies. I felt it was pretty clear that I was referring to the tone and nature (both negative and hateful) of the quotes with what I said.

Obviously, I'm not comparing it to the full scale weight and agenda of nazi's Gg. I'll leave it at that man.

@ Karbuncle:

No one has the freedom to disrespect someone on these boards Karbuncle while disagreeing with a Thread topic. If you can't find a respectful manner of disagreeing with someone, don't post is what CrystWpn. is saying.

I personally accept any and all criticism that is genuine and of a respectful nature regardless of if the poster agrees with me or not. What I can't stand is people making a sport of trying to trash other peoples suggestions simply for their enjoyment.

P.S. You can't say you're not targeting anyone with your post and then use one of my post in your examples lol >< Besides I gave some good reasons for including those flying rides (won't use mount since you don't like it) :)

@Karb

Making it clear my comments were not about posters like yourself. You always post very clearly why you disagree with the other person. Even when said other person angrily attacks you for disagreeing, you break it down and post back why they are wrong. You have to admit though, that if this topic was posted by anyone else it wouldn't have gotten trolled as badly.

Not to sound to parent-ish, I just feel like said posters are capable of so much more. I'd rather log on and see more strategy, game mechanics, and guide posts instead of the constant bickering/trolling every single day.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

I'd rather log on and see more strategy, game mechanics, and guide posts instead of the constant bickering/trolling every single day.

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It's unfortunate to see these forums reduced to the level of monkeys slinging feces at each other. Oh well!

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

While i agree there is a fine line between harassment and disagreeing.

The sad truth is, If you do not want a bad idea implemented you have to show you disagree with it. In every single thread that is a bad idea. If the parties in question simply stopped posting that they disagree with threads, some of those terrible ideas might actually be added.

Because if SE sees a topic that is inherently a bad idea, but no one objects to it, it might be considered, these aren't too dangerous really, they rarely happen.

the real problems are the threads that aren't inherently bad but Just do not make a lick of sense in FFXI and aren't worth the time/effort. Like Flying "mounts". (i vehemently hate most "MMO Slang" terms... Guild, Mount, DKP... Thats just me though)

So you might just see the same few names, but if they're giving a reason the idea is bad, it just proves they care about the Direction this game is going, because they continue to take the time to try and at least show SE there are some people in the community who feel the idea isn't thought-out/bad.

And yes, If i find something i disagree with i will give reasons as to why i don't consider it a good idea. I don't care if I'm labeled a troll by the slack-jawed 10yr-old internet posters who throw that word out left and right without knowing its definition.

I want FFXI to thrive, wasted Development time on things like "Cheese-Sandwich" is something i don't want happening again. So i can relate to those who will go to bad horrible idea threads and disagree with it, try to give reasons, and hopefully get through to some people.

On this thread, I don't think its a bad idea. It could lead to some really interesting stories, I think we should keep the rewards up to the Dev team though.

This forum isn't about vehemently circle-jerking eachothers bad ideas, Its about the freedom to exchange ideas and discussion, good or bad, agree or disagree, you accept the terms of threads when you post one. If you can't take criticism, Constructive, or not so constructive, you have no right to post a thread to begin with.

(Please note my above statement is directed and no 1 poster, just a general statement regarding my belief on forum actions)

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Totally agree with What you are saying, but on another note these same few people don't back up why they feel its a bad idea with good reasons. They instantly go on the attack with comments like "your an idiot and oh must be time to show off art his art work". Where in any of that can you find it to be conducive to what these forums are about? That's the point I was trying to get across. Its only after these same few have derailed the thread with their childish antics; You find that they seem to be intelligent in their communication BUT..... continue on in a harassing manor. It's just just not necessary. Take your response, it was a well thought out intelligent non insulting with reasoning for what you wanted to communicate. A far cry from "your an idiot" and I thank you for it, others should follow the example.