Fell Cleave Options

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Originally Posted by Arcon

That's interesting, I didn't consider that. Although I'm guessing that's only in Abyssea, because of the high STR mod on Fell Cleave, and very low STR mod on Raging Rush (mods play a much higher role inside Abyssea). Outside I'm guessing it still beats Fell Cleave with Mighty Strikes up. King's Justice should be comparable, if not better, than Fell Cleave inside Abyssea (Mighty Strikes only).

Does TA from Atma override Warrior's Charge? I thought it didn't.

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it doesn't my wording is bad, but FC should still do more with just DA, although it will be closer to RR

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Originally Posted by Myrid

Yes, using cleave while MS is active makes the forced crit apply to everything. When my friends and I get lazy in a cleave, I've taken to just spamming keys on every blue chest that drops and MS'ing when it's up. ;)

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I'm pretty surprise to be finding out that not all WARs prefer 2hr Cleaving when at all possible in Abyssea. It's... pure... crack in a handbag... it's... smex(Super Made Sex)! Try it as often as you can! @-@

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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I'm pretty surprise to be finding out that not all WARs prefer 2hr Cleaving when at all possible in Abyssea. It's... pure... crack in a handbag... it's... smex(Super Made Sex)! Try it as often as you can! @-@

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I have other things to spend cruor on. Whether all mobs die in 3 seconds or 10 seconds doesn't matter to me at all. And I'm not that hot for high numbers, at least not on stuff that doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I have other things to spend cruor on. Whether all mobs die in 3 seconds or 10 seconds doesn't matter to me at all. And I'm not that hot for high numbers, at least not on stuff that doesn't matter.

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You'll make way more cruor over time if you are killing things faster.

Assuming you have a puller worth a damn

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

You'll make way more cruor over time if you are killing things faster.

Assuming you have a puller worth a damn

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Even without using Mighty Strikes, I can kill a lot faster than it would take the puller to even run back to the pulling point. And my example was still bad, I usually kill things with three hits tops. Mighty Strikes would reduce that to up to two hits. And since I can literally WS back-to-back, it takes me about 2 seconds longer to kill with than without. If you time MS badly, you even lose out on those two seconds again.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Even without using Mighty Strikes, I can kill a lot faster than it would take the puller to even run back to the pulling point. And my example was still bad, I usually kill things with three hits tops. Mighty Strikes would reduce that to up to two hits. And since I can literally WS back-to-back, it takes me about 2 seconds longer to kill with than without. If you time MS badly, you even lose out on those two seconds again.

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I guess it depends on the target, but you could easily 1hit the common targets for a FC.

Mighty Strikes also lets you kill things that would be otherwise unfeasible to FC on; things that hit too hard and too fast.

Situational stuff is situational.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Even without using Mighty Strikes, I can kill a lot faster than it would take the puller to even run back to the pulling point. And my example was still bad, I usually kill things with three hits tops. Mighty Strikes would reduce that to up to two hits. And since I can literally WS back-to-back, it takes me about 2 seconds longer to kill with than without. If you time MS badly, you even lose out on those two seconds again.

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Yeah, a 2hr FC can wipe out lots of mobs with one swipe, occasionally leaving like 2-3 stubborn mobs up with 2-5% HP left. Can't beat the efficiency of possibly using 1 WS vs multiple.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

Yeah, a 2hr FC can wipe out lots of mobs with one swipe, occasionally leaving like 2-3 stubborn mobs up with 2-5% HP left. Can't beat the efficiency of possibly using 1 WS vs multiple.

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Those 2-3 stubborn mobs will take longer to kill than to perform another Fell Cleave using Retaliation to build TP, with 10 mobs hitting you. The difference is negligible, especially if you consider it will take the puller some time to simply run back to the respawn point. What Leon said, it depends on the target, I didn't consider using MS to use FC on stronger targets. Personally I don't FC much anyway, but the few times I did, I experienced with different styles and found barely any difference between going all out and half-assing it, when it came to efficiency.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Those 2-3 stubborn mobs will take longer to kill than to perform another Fell Cleave using Retaliation to build TP, with 10 mobs hitting you. The difference is negligible, especially if you consider it will take the puller some time to simply run back to the respawn point. What Leon said, it depends on the target, I didn't consider using MS to use FC on stronger targets. Personally I don't FC much anyway, but the few times I did, I experienced with different styles and found barely any difference between going all out and half-assing it, when it came to efficiency.

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Oh you gotta get on some more FC'ing! Good for the back y'know.

But nah, the few scraggler mobs holding on for dear life, only take one hit to dispose of. You almost feel sorry for them while commending their will to survive... almost... and them BOOM! /Scores a Critical hit for 650!

If you dont want ruby, can use cataclysm, dont need to rely on 2hr chests.