Puppetmaster's Asuran Fists <Where?>

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Originally Posted by Lazus

I think pup need some red !! triggers to begin with, even with them being able to use and skill up daggers and clubs they stil don't learn the red procs for them

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PUP does have access to dagger/club red procs, just requires an appropriate subjob. /NIN or /DNC get both Dagger red procs (Cyclone and Energy Drain), /WAR gets Seraph Strike. So if you need to help out on procs, bring an appropriate subjob.

Also, you do get Aeolian Edge on PUP, so that's what I end up using if I need Amber light for some reason and I'm on PUP. You can get pretty nice augmented Yataghans from Dominion Notes in Grauberg.

Agreed! PUP needs what everyone else gets. I don't have SP because it's hard to find people to do Nyzul anymore. Let us have something besides Howling Fists.

While you're at it, why not question why Destroyers can be used by all these jobs (WAR / MNK / RDM / THF / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / DNC) but NOT PUP?

PUP doesn't need asuran fists. Pummel and Smite are better on paper.

MNK can keep Asuran. I don't want it.

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While you're at it, why not question why Destroyers can be used by all these jobs (WAR / MNK / RDM / THF / PLD / DRK / BST / RNG / DNC) but NOT PUP?

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Because people still use destroyers. Oh wait, they're garbage now.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

PUP doesn't need asuran fists. Pummel and Smite are better on paper.

MNK can keep Asuran. I don't want it.

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MNKs have A Fury and Smite. They don't need Asuran Fists either. But they still get the option of having it because they're H2H users... We're H2H users and don't even get this WSNM Trial let alone any other ones.

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Originally Posted by Mizuharu

MNKs have A Fury and Smite. They don't need Asuran Fists either. But they still get the option of having it because they're H2H users... We're H2H users and don't even get this WSNM Trial let alone any other ones.

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Again, we don't need it. So what's the point in adding it?

Asuran Fists has always been a MNK thing, there's no reason to give it to anyone else, especially if they don't need it. It's just being bitter about being a have-not.

In a metagame where your usefulness is judged almost solely by the number of triggers you have, adding Asuran Fists does basically nothing for PUP. PUP, and also SMN and a few other jobs, will always be scorned in abyssea because they don't have as many triggers.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Again, we don't need it. So what's the point in adding it?

Asuran Fists has always been a MNK thing, there's no reason to give it to anyone else, especially if they don't need it. It's just being bitter about being a have-not.

In a metagame where your usefulness is judged almost solely by the number of triggers you have, adding Asuran Fists does basically nothing for PUP. PUP, and also SMN and a few other jobs, will always be scorned in abyssea because they don't have as many triggers.

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Well then, let me ask you this. If I'm being bitter about PUP not getting Asuran Fists, then what about all the other recent additions to the game? PLD getting Phalanx; a formerly RDM exclusive spell. SCH getting Stoneskin/Blink/Spikes natively. SAMs getting this new "Chainbound" effect this monday. (They already have plenty of ways to self skillchain. Why add another?) Aren't all of these brought about by players "being bitter about being a have-not"?

People say it'd be a waste, but MNKs rarely use this WS unless it's for staggering now a days. For PUPs it'd be the same way. As for that we won't use this, let me ask this also...

How often do you see a COR using Savage Blade? Or a RNG using Decimation/Evisceration?

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but MNKs rarely use this WS unless it's for staggering now a days. For PUPs it'd be the same way.

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Which is why it would be a waste. PUP already has a WS that is job specific and is practically named after the job. I see nothing wrong with MNK having asuran exclusively.

Every job that couldn't reach the required skill by 75 for any quested WS can reach it now. Should we add all of those jobs to every quest WS? I'm sure the people who already know and actually use those WS wouldn't like that.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Every job that couldn't reach the required skill by 75 for any quested WS can reach it now. Should we add all of those jobs to every quest WS? I'm sure the people who already know and actually use those WS wouldn't like that.

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After they bumped PUP's Hand-to-Hand skill up from C- to B- while the cap was still 75, they met the required skill level for Asurun Fists. Your argument is invalid on that...

MNK can´t use the club ws Hexa Strike cuz its a WHM only ws. It's the same story.
PUP can´t use knuckles type weapons, means they can´t even use the trial weapon.
Like i already said MNK still beat PUP even if PUP had this crappy ws. MNK can use 14/15 blunt WS with any SJ, PUP 7/15 w/o a certain SJ, well u get the math i hope.
Why should ppl invite 2 or 3 more ppl just to cover all blunt ws if one job can do 93% of all ws ?