lolRelic Weapon? SE what have you done?

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Originally Posted by Tamarsamar

Apologies for coming off uninformed here, but are people seriously out-performing Relics with equally-leveled Walk of Echoes Empyrean Weapon Skill weapons (say, level 90 Excalibur vs. Badelaire +2)? If so, then your point holds water.

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I know that's the case for Spharai vs Revenant Fists +2. If I remember correctly, RF+2 is somewhere like 5-10% better.

Edit: Just checked on Kinematic's spreadsheet, using the default gear/atmas(RR,GH,Apoc) of the spreadsheet and only changing WS and weapon, level 90 Spharai score 269.641 while Revenant Fists +2 score 297.302. Which is about 10.3% better. And to throw it all out there, the 90 Verethagna are 321.868, the 85 Verethagna are 308.525, and Revenant Fists +1 are 289.707.

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Originally Posted by lowkey

And just for the record, I'm one of the bsts who got all butthurt when SE nerfed MPK. I said I'd quit. I ranted to anyone who wanted to listen (Or not. Whatever, I didn't care because I was pissed, and wanted everyone to know it, whether they wanted to or not). Turns out we were just acting like spoiled babies. Turns out the change did way more good for everyone including us (especially us), than harm. Turns out the world didn't end, it didn't lead to communists eating the world's supply of kittens, and most importantly that nobody else gave a rat's ass.

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I hated it because, prior to S/E dealing aggressively with RMT, BST was the only job RMT feared.

People just don't want other people having stuff they have. It's the name of the game with MMORPGs. The thought of someone getting some easily that you worked hard for annoys you. But it shouldn't undermine your past efforts.

It's like saying you don't approve of people delivering mail by plane, because there were so many hard working horseback mail carriers. The result is the same, it's the journey that's different. Take that with you and welcome the newcomers.

I'm glad to see SE making relic's more accessible to casual players.

I have Excalibur but I not too upset that they aren't the best weapons anymore. Everything seems like a grind though lately.

In all honesty, the current situation of Emp weapons and Relic weapons is a little confusing to me. Unless they are planing some type of overhaul or great increase to relic weapons is almost isn't worth the time/effort people put into them in the past. Ochain blocks far more often than Agies, WS dmg is far in excess greater on Emp weapons than with Relic weapons. About the only thing that hasn't changed, is the fact that over-all DoT damage is still higher on Relic than on Emp weapons, but who just dots? With Atma/gear available WS fast and often is name of the game and relics just can't put out the numbers Emp weapons do. In some cases non-relic/Emp WS can put out equal if not slightly better damage also.

I remember the Dev team saying 6 months ago it wasn't their plan to oust Relic weapons due to how difficult they were to obtain, but they have done just that by giving fTP multipliers that destroy Relic WS fTP. Just seems SE is catering a little too much to the casual player recently. A weapon you can make easily (baring no serious competition) in as little as a week stronger than a weapon that takes nearly 3-6 months to gain all upgrade currency for is rather unfair and unbalanced if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Tamarsamar

Apologies for coming off uninformed here, but are people seriously out-performing Relics with equally-leveled Walk of Echoes Empyrean Weapon Skill weapons (say, level 90 Excalibur vs. Badelaire +2)? If so, then your point holds water.

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Both Aby and WoE Emp Wpn ws beats relic ws in any ways.

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Relic is the hardest piece of weapon to obtain and now it turns out to be an laughable topic in game because its weapon skill damage is so weak that most relic owner would just use something else.

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Mythic weapons are the hardest to get, not relics.

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Originally Posted by Sama

Both Aby and WoE Emp Wpn ws beats relic ws in any ways.

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By quite a few thousand

Relic, Mythic and Empyrean weapons are far from completion, numbers mean nothing in an incomplete world. All I would like to say is be patient and see what SE does in the final stages of 91-99 and see how they compare then.

A relic weapon will be easier to obtain after the version update and probably much cheaper, so maybe it should sit below an empyrean weapon.... who knows...