[dev1010] Spirits

Agreed, The whole proc yellow triggers with spirits was more of an idea off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by Miera

Actually Spirits CAN proc yellow believe it or not. I was with a few friends fighting the Penguin NM out in Abyssea and we needed Freeze to proc and I had whipped out my Spirit and it did Cast said spell and proced. It was sheer luck and I wish I could have screen shotted it but I keep forgetting how to do that since I switched to PC.

I will keep saying this like I said in another thread, I think Spirits mechanics should be more like the Automaton's, even though the Automaton's AI is bad the Spirits are faaaar worse and at least the Automaton casts every 30ish seconds.

Automatons have the ability to see a Monster's health and determine what spell to use on it, I think a Spirit should. A Automaton See's its Master as well as their Party in low Health and it cures, I think Light Spirit should do that. Also Automaton have spell priory (which should be changed) and it is I think it was Na-spell > Heal > Enfeeble > Nuke and I think Spirits should work the same way.

Sorry edit, it was Freeze on account we didn't HAVE a BLM and that's what spell we were missing besides Blizzaga III

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So am I wrong in thinking that the spirits have post 75 spells? I swear I saw a light elemental cast Cure VI. Also summoner is one of the few jobs that can proc both pearl and azure are they not? Summons proc pearl with things like predator claws, and elemental nukes would get you azure?

In any case, supposedly you can get elemental cast time down to 12s with enough +summoner skill gear. And with astral flow that is 6s.

The light spirit I know will target part members and heal them but only if in yellow iirc. This is all based off the wiki, so take with a grain of salt. It seems odd to me they don't have access to post 75 spell however. I have also heard their intelligence increases with summoner skill but I could be entirely off base.

I need the pacts for JD Vodka and Southern comfort.

Honestly rather have SE focus on the parts of SMN that work rather than spirits.

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Originally Posted by AtrixWolfe

So am I wrong in thinking that the spirits have post 75 spells? I swear I saw a light elemental cast Cure VI. Also summoner is one of the few jobs that can proc both pearl and azure are they not? Summons proc pearl with things like predator claws, and elemental nukes would get you azure?

In any case, supposedly you can get elemental cast time down to 12s with enough +summoner skill gear. And with astral flow that is 6s.

The light spirit I know will target part members and heal them but only if in yellow iirc. This is all based off the wiki, so take with a grain of salt. It seems odd to me they don't have access to post 75 spell however. I have also heard their intelligence increases with summoner skill but I could be entirely off base.

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Unfortunately Avatars Nukes and Mele BPs will only get you Pearl light because inside of Abyssea SE categorizes Avatar Elemental Spells as Pearl kills for whatever reason. I was using my Light pact last night in Abyssea for the giggles and I saw it Cast Banish IV, not sure if it had that spell already...

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Originally Posted by Miera

Unfortunately Avatars Nukes and Mele BPs will only get you Pearl light because inside of Abyssea SE categorizes Avatar Elemental Spells as Pearl kills for whatever reason. I was using my Light pact last night in Abyssea for the giggles and I saw it Cast Banish IV, not sure if it had that spell already...

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Ehh well for whatever reason lol. It's weird tho :O I also heard that the light spirit will heal alliance members in yellow just fyi for everyone.

Yeah, if ever it feels like it lol. I've only seen mine use Curaga IV once in my SMN life lolz

Spirits don't need adjusting. Avatars are supposed to be the mainstay of a summoner. Spirits are able to do two things and do these things well:
-Give you MP with elemental siphon
-Cast very quickly to enable you to get a monster off your arse

I don't understand why people want "good" spirits so badly. They shouldn't be better than the avatars, they're just generic elementals. Outside of the uses described above, the only reason the exist is that so people who didn't get the zilart expansion would have more than one spell (carbuncle) in their spell list, as Summoner does not require zilart but all of the avatars require zilart or a later expansion.

Oh, small note about banish: Light spirit actually had Banish III before WHM was able to learn it, as well. But outside of this oddity, the spirits are not learning new spells, and almost seem as if they're level capped at 75, as they take more damage too. It might be a sign of tier II elementals.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

But outside of this oddity, the spirits are not learning new spells, and almost seem as if they're level capped at 75, as they take more damage too. It might be a sign of tier II elementals.

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Mayhaps indication of Abyssea elementals eventually?

Could also be SE Ignored/forgot to uncap Spirits and decided "Eh, They suck, Siphon only who cares"

Which would make me sad :(

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

We are at yet another job adjustments but no sight of spirits adjustments. When are they coming? There hasn't been a single spirit update since I bought this game 2003. (Not counting adding thunder spirit and dark spirit scrolls or Elemental Siphon, because neither of them adjusted spirits)

The issue is so severe it should have highest priority, borderline emergency maintenance level, and yet it seems to not even be considered. I've reported this issue every single year, and it seems like I'm wasting my time.

The worst part is probably that I haven't even gotten any feedback on this from the development team. Just constant new false hope from comments like "Thank you for your feedback, we'll look into this." Well, you've looked into it 8 years, do you have any form of reply to give me now?

What do one have to do to be worthy of getting a developer reply, if waiting 8 years is not good enough? Should I crawl on my legs and beg? I perfectly understand they can't reply to everything, but one 8 year old issue seems to me like a good candidate if they are going to reply to anything this year.

Am I perhaps not making it clear what question to forward to the development team?

"Not a single Summoner uses spirits since long before 2003. Are there any plans to update them? The problem is that they have too long wait between spells, are too random in spell selection and have to wait max delay after using the abilities "assault" and "retreat"".

It has gotten so bad, that currently I value a reply higher than an actual update. And I value an update really high.

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I believe SE has you on its /blacklist ;)