Concerning Einherjar's Requirements.

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I'm sure it was there to reduce congestion

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Time limits aren't just about congestion, they're also about reducing cheeze / cheap tactics including zombie/stalling tactics. There are many fights in any MMORPG that could be done solo or with far fewer people than intended if that person or people employed tactics that might take hours or even days (for something a group clears in minutes)- Thus the developers decided that if you can't beat it within a reasonable timeframe, you aren't really beating it. It discourages potentially unhealthy behavior as well (hello, pre-nerf pandy warden)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Time limits aren't just about congestion, they're also about reducing cheeze / cheap tactics including zombie/stalling tactics. There are many fights in any MMORPG that could be done solo or with far fewer people than intended if that person or people employed tactics that might take hours or even days (for something a group clears in minutes)- Thus the developers decided that if you can't beat it within a reasonable timeframe, you aren't really beating it. It discourages potentially unhealthy behavior as well (hello, pre-nerf pandy warden)

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A group of 36 could do the same though they have 30 minutes for cheeze / cheap tactics including zombie/stalling tactics (Which they do/did). You're coming off prejudiced against small groups. If the game allows it, it's not broken that's what updates are for.

edit: so in that case if its so easy for <5 and 6~36 why didn't SE make is 10 minutes across the board. Ot was mostly set in place to force tactic to make parties back in the day, sad to say player count isn't what it use to be and I hate rushing just because we're 1~5, if anyone should be rushing it ought a be 6~36.

You do realize a puppet master can dou this event right? PUP + blu can clear it in under 10 minutes, every time, 25 days in a row. You dont need 6 people, you dont even need 5 , 4 or 3 people.

Trade your lamp, make 3-4 copies, and bazar them for 1g each. Zone in, in under 30 seconds from lamp trade, and now you have 9 min 30 sec to gather stuff, ae it down and move on with your life.

Find a BLU friend, their ae are more powerful than blm per mp cost, and a pup with a whm pet is all you need to keep people alive.

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Originally Posted by Roja323

You do realize a puppet master can dou this event right? PUP + blu can clear it in under 10 minutes, every time, 25 days in a row. You dont need 6 people, you dont even need 5 , 4 or 3 people.

Trade your lamp, make 3-4 copies, and bazar them for 1g each. Zone in, in under 30 seconds from lamp trade, and now you have 9 min 30 sec to gather stuff, ae it down and move on with your life.

Find a BLU friend, their ae are more powerful than blm per mp cost, and a pup with a whm pet is all you need to keep people alive.

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Another person misses the whole point being made, no one is denying that you can clear Einherjar in < 10 minutes, more that it just isn't necessary anymore, it's particularly easy with a job like BLU but what for example, of a person who only has WHM and has no interest in any other jobs and wants to solo Einherjar? They'll still do good damage but lack of AoE options could leave them short on time whereas with the full 30mins, they'd be done with no problems.

If you only play 1 job then ffxi isnt for you. Its been said over and over and over again, the reason this game is like it is, is so that you can chance to multiple jobs.

If you only play whm, great for you, ive doued einherjar in 10 minutes with pup + whm. neither of which are particularly good at ae events.

Saying 'remove the cap so i can solo on whm for 30 minutes and still not clear an event' seems like a pretty weak argument.

You are missing the point;

1) if you only play 1 job in ffxi you are doing it wrong, im sorry you love whm but its not a job thats going to solo clear einherjar even if you are given 30 minutes.

2) I was making a point that one of the more lol jobs (pup, my personal favorite) is able to clear einherjar in under 10 minutes with 1 other person. Meaning you dont need to wait hours for 6 people, find 1-2 others and go, clear it in <4 minutes and have the rest of your day free

3) All you need is 1 of blu/blm/geo and its pretty much garunteed win, a second job to round everything up, and throw in an ae ws should cover it

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Originally Posted by Roja323

If you only play 1 job then ffxi isnt for you. Its been said over and over and over again, the reason this game is like it is, is so that you can chance to multiple jobs.

If you only play whm, great for you, ive doued einherjar in 10 minutes with pup + whm. neither of which are particularly good at ae events.

Saying 'remove the cap so i can solo on whm for 30 minutes and still not clear an event' seems like a pretty weak argument.

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An event that right now only needs to be done by Mythic builders or just for fun, there is now nothing important to gain from einherjar. The WHM thing was an example and dismissing it proves to me you have no decent arguments against removing the 10min limit. Yes FFXI is designed for multiple jobs and cooperative play but not everyone plays that way. I felt WHM was a good example as they have a very desirable Mythic and are always needed in a high-tier party situation but are one of the weakest jobs in the game from a DD perspective.

I really don't get why you're defending the 10 minute time limit anyway, what negative thing is going to occur if it's removed? Right now on Asura, one of the largest servers in the game, any time I have made an Einherjar party I've been able to enter any T3 wing I've chosen, there is low demand, no congestion, so what if some additional people might solo a wing if the limit was removed?

EDIT: Oh also since you missed the point that the WHM thing was an example, my WHM is level 49, I don't play the job, I have WAR, BLU and BLM, I'm very capable of soloing a T3 Wing if I chose to.

yeah I don't understand the whole thing about defending the 10 minute time limit either, one thing comes to mind though; They don't like the direction 11 is going in, Butt hurt about something nostalgia, can't let go of the pass... so epenning about a 10 minute yimer and letting everyone know what job "they" use is getting thier keyboard all sticky!

I am not defending the 10 minute time limit, and i dont care if you have a whm or not. You example was 'so a whm could clear it' which even with 30 minutes, solo they wont be able to, so removing a 10 minute time limit for that example is just bad. 90% of other jobs should be able to clear it in 30 minutes however and it would benefit them. So using them as an example would have been way better. (Hey look a bst or pup can solo einherjar in 30 minutes, sweet!) vs (My whm might get 1k ichor in 30 minutes if i get lucky on mob selection!)

I just dont see the point in requesting they remove something that currently isn't holding anyone back. They could remove it for all I care, you completely misunderstand. I was just saying, the whole post was about how its hard to find 5 other people to do this event, make it solo so everyone can do it when / how they want to. Well if finding 1 other person in an MMO is hard, then maybe you have other issues, but my point was that pretty much any 2 jobs can clear einherjar in under 10 minutes, and it doesnt take more than 30 seconds to hand out lamps.


If you NEEDED 6+ people to even enter, sure invest the time into making the change, but currently, you can already enter solo if you want and some jobs can already clear it solo, in under 10 minutes. Even if you dont clear it, you can get 1k+ ichor in 10 minutes solo. It will take you longer to finish gathering ichor, but who cares, its solo, and you can progress.

Its an mmo people. It has nothing to do with nostalgia / liking the way things where, its about playing with other people, shouting and making your own group. I bet if you say 't3 einherjar, free lamp 1/x leaving in 5' you will get at least 1-2 other people and clear the zone in under 10 minutes...

What's the big deal? Every time I do Einherjar, I shout for about 10 minutes and have 6 or more people. You don't need people to be of a certain rank (such as with Assault). You don't need everyone to have a certain number of entry items (such as with Assault, Nyzul, or some of the Campaign Ops). You don't need people to have made any story line progression (such as with almost any Mission battlefield). Everyone gets an equal share of the important battlefield spoils, therion ichor (unlike Salvage or Dynamis where currency would be split up among participants).


One time out of about 40, it took over half an hour, which was a rare exception. It's low pressure, there are no prerequisites aside from those that the leader has to meet, and takes very little time.

There are probably about 20 people on Carbuncle who do Einherjar every day. I know this because when I do my shouts or when I join someone else's, I consistently see the same people. I'd kind of rather go through a modicum of effort teaming up with them than having to compete with them for entry into an instanced event.

Here's a quick hint: you don't need to do Einherjar exclusively with friends. Do a couple /yells. Is the OP that scared of strangers that he's having such trouble getting 6 people? It's level 75 content. It's so idiot proof that you can take any 6 schmucks who microwaved their way to 99 via Abyssea in gear even worse than Sparks gear and clear it without barely breaking a sweat.