PLEASE REMOVE OR LESSEN RESTRICTIONS ON GARDENING FOR NEW PLAYERS

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Originally Posted by RAIST

There still is RMT, so there will still be some restrictions while accounts are in free trial. I agree that 90 days is a bit much at this point though. At best, they may reduce it to 30 days.

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30 days is still stupid, all that needs to be done is restrict people on free trail.

same goes with the send gil cap.

if you are paying for the game these restrictions should not exist.

they harm real players more then being anti rmt measures

Is earning gil from gardening still so game breaking (now that you can make tons of gil in abyssea)? Assuming you were going about it the legit way and just farming gold chest items you'd still make gil faster than if you're gardening I would think? Since last June, without even trying, I've made 5 million gil selling scrolls, pop items, synth mats, and trash gear from abyssea and if I'd touched the 5.2 million cruor I've stored up for anything other than brews I could have made significantly more.

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Originally Posted by Hoshi

Is earning gil from gardening still so game breaking (now that you can make tons of gil in abyssea)? Assuming you were going about it the legit way and just farming gold chest items you'd still make gil faster than if you're gardening I would think? Since last June, without even trying, I've made 5 million gil selling scrolls, pop items, synth mats, and trash gear from abyssea and if I'd touched the 5.2 million cruor I've stored up for anything other than brews I could have made significantly more.

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be nice to have inventory to do that.

but to answer your question about gardening it is an OLD RMT countemeasure that needs to get rid of ( like the gil sending cap too) for people not on trial.

It is something newer players can do while leveling to 30 or something i guess.

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Originally Posted by Olor

People who haven't rerolled totally over-estimate the ability of noobs to get into an Abyssea party. Just stating that right off. I am 52 now, and I haven't done anything but unlock the traverser stones accumulating. And, no, if you are soloing post 30, you actually need decent gear unless you want your life to suck.

You're nuts if you think I only need to get a couple pieces of gear to last till 75+ when I can realistically hope to get a spot in Abyssea for the first time (with no cruor/keys). If hadn't been busting my arse to make money and get gears (and hadn't gotten some gil as a gift from an LS mate) I would be totally screwed. You just can't solo effectively with crap gears.

I can go without jug pets, I can go without pet food - but I need armor that can take some hits, charisma gear, and decent axes - or I am going to get ridiculously slow exp./eat dirt constantly.

Your advice is fine otherwise - and believe me, I've farmed up lots of onions and tiger skins and tiger fangs (my personal favourite) and sold lots of crystals and beechips and honey - but newbie gears are really expensive (35 stacks of most crystals for the lvl 25 dagger I just bought for my DNC) compared to the kind of money you can realistically make through most farming.

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Actually, no.. you don't need high end gears.. I just took 4 jobs from 60 to 78 in mostly level 50-57 gears (WITHOUT abysses, mind you). You just need to be a little smarter about your targets. Use the FoV system more. Remember, a DC mob now gives more xp than an EM used to, and EM gives more than a VT used to. You also get double the CP return as well. Those CP gears have a lot more value than people realize. You also need to earn your gil more wisely as well. If you are getting tiger fangs, you get more gil turning them in for a quest. You can farm bee chips and wild onions on easy mobs right outside Bastok (if you are over there, that is) and make a quick 20k a pop (or more) still in the AH. If you are in Windy area, you can still do the same there as well, just have to go to two different zones to do it. The "high end" gears you are talking about needing are ridiculously cheap. For instance.. Amamet +1 for 20k or less now.

You guys realize that if they remove the 90 day wait period they'll probably also nerf the NPC selling prices of certain items instead thus removing the reason you wanted to garden in the first place, right?

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Originally Posted by Hoshi

Is earning gil from gardening still so game breaking (now that you can make tons of gil in abyssea)? Assuming you were going about it the legit way and just farming gold chest items you'd still make gil faster than if you're gardening I would think? Since last June, without even trying, I've made 5 million gil selling scrolls, pop items, synth mats, and trash gear from abyssea and if I'd touched the 5.2 million cruor I've stored up for anything other than brews I could have made significantly more.

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I guess you missed the part where he said he couldn't get into abyssea parties. Unless you make it yourself or know someone then good luck finding a abyssea where you sit there and do absolutely nothing.

Oh, so the OP wants RMT to overrun Gardening again...

No thanks.

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30 days is still stupid, all that needs to be done is restrict people on free trail.

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The free trial lasts 30 days. -.-

EDIT: clarification: they quietly removed the 2 week free trial download from their "buy the game" flash site. This is actually probably the main reason RMT have declined. The only free trials there are now are the 30 free days you get with the game, and buddy pass trials, if anyone still has them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The free trial lasts 30 days. -.-

EDIT: clarification: they quietly removed the 2 week free trial download from their "buy the game" flash site. This is actually probably the main reason RMT have declined. The only free trials there are now are the 30 free days you get with the game, and buddy pass trials, if anyone still has them.

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how is it free if you buy it? 30 days is too long -.-

I was pointing do that free trial dl yeah you can put resections on that.

guess they would only have restrictions on buddy pass trail then.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

Oh, so the OP wants RMT to overrun Gardening again...

No thanks.

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thats like saying lets not trade high amounts of items because its RMT ( really muling) lets not send gil from alt accounts/ chrs acting as a bank, only RMT must do that.

RMT will always be there, no reason to hurt real players because they can't make RMT target softwere ( targets real people not rmt ) lol

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Actually, no.. you don't need high end gears.. I just took 4 jobs from 60 to 78 in mostly level 50-57 gears (WITHOUT abysses, mind you). You just need to be a little smarter about your targets. Use the FoV system more. Remember, a DC mob now gives more xp than an EM used to, and EM gives more than a VT used to. You also get double the CP return as well. Those CP gears have a lot more value than people realize. You also need to earn your gil more wisely as well. If you are getting tiger fangs, you get more gil turning them in for a quest.

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I am using the fangs for the sandy quest (no please don't assume I'm brain dead). I am wearing A LOT of conquest gear (unfortunately - most of it comes from nations I am not a member of- since no matter how much I would like the bastok dagger to be equippable by DNC - IT ISN'T). I know what drops frigging onions.

However, the fact of the matter is - all of that farming nets for the most part less than 10k/hr in goodies - and when the market is filled with gil people can get from selling weapons bought with dom notes (and other Abyssea sources) - it means the price of lowbie gear is STILL REALLY HIGH compared to what people can realistically farm on a lowbie job.

I am lucky cause this is my 4th char and I know how to make money - but for new players it has to be a complete and total nightmare.