Hverlgelmir, mighty stick of death trap?

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Well, melee SMN can be built in two ways. Either you try and max out WS damage (in which case you probably want /WHM or something with cataclysm) or you max out melee hits. I've always gone more for the WS build than the melee swings, just because the options for a good DMG staff was always rather poor.

I'm kind of crazy though, so I actually have a pure melee, avatar melee and spirit melee build.

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Actually, Even Pre-Abyssea, I've broken 2k With Full Swing and over 1,000 with Spirit Taker on SMN. Their WS are pretty potent if you build for them.

Full Swing was on a Pot though :P I was cheating for a high number. the Spirit Taker however, i was farming Gigantobugard back when the hides NPC'd for something worthwhile.

Retribution can do some pretty decent number, as far as high Damage Staves go, the STR-Shareeravadi(w/e)+2 is actually pretty decent, so is the "TP Bonus+100" Staff, Since Retribution, like YGK, has a pretty potent fTP mod (Same with Full Swing).

both have decent base damage as well for Staves.

On top of that, We're lucky enough that Retri is a 50%MND/INT Mod (if i remember?) So an Atma like MM will help in that damage too. I think for WS and TP Damage /SAM is pretty boss, for Magical Weaponskills (Which you're more than likely going to be using Magical Bloodpacts and have something like MM/Ult/bey(etc) up) pure-damage wise I think you might be better off /RDM or /SCH (does /SCH get MAB? I dont think ...), but /RDM does, and you maintain a lot of your cure spells, along with MAB2 Job trait!

But you lose some healing Utility, but this is about DD :P

Cataclysm sure is fun though... The numbers can get pretty high with the right Atmas. When i did Cata-burn on MNK, I generally go for Ultimate/Iratham-one/Beyond (or Minikin, been inbetween good ones), numbers were impressive, but i think SMN has more potential for higher Damage, Since they get access to SOOO much MAB/INT Gear that its not funny :O!

So Actually, I might have to try out a Cata Build. It'd be pretty much the same as my Retri build except I'll have to work around a few more MAB gear... Teal Set seems perfect (Body/Legs anyway...) as it offers MAB and mods.

Now I'm itching to try this :X

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Well, melee SMN can be built in two ways. Either you try and max out WS damage (in which case you probably want /WHM or something with cataclysm) or you max out melee hits. I've always gone more for the WS build than the melee swings, just because the options for a good DMG staff was always rather poor.

I'm kind of crazy though, so I actually have a pure melee, avatar melee and spirit melee build.

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The multiplier on Spirit Taker at 100% is 1.0. That alone made me build focused around max melee hits (aka haste build). I have 21% gear haste (missing feet and Goliard body), Hasso, and Hastega. With my OA4 staff, the TP gushes like a geyser. It's an interesting proposal that I may actually have less hate with Hver. Very interesting indeed!

Hver will not change my build since the WS multiplier is 0.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

The multiplier on Spirit Taker at 100% is 1.0. That alone made me build focused around max melee hits (aka haste build). I have 21% gear haste (missing feet and Goliard body), Hasso, and Hastega. With my OA4 staff, the TP gushes like a geyser. It's an interesting proposal that I may actually have less hate with Hver. Very interesting indeed!

Hver will not change my build since the WS multiplier is 0.

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Whats your TP Set right now? Curious :o.

In Abyssea, I only care about speed. OA4 ruined DA:

Haste:
Zelus 8%,
Nashira Body 3%,
Hands 1%,
Tern (full set) 6%,
Shantotto Legs 3%

DA:
Pole Grip 2%,
Brutal 5%

Free to upgrade:
1 ear, 2 rings, feet, ranged (currently used for -3 perp, minimal acc/att)

I'd focus on Goliard body and Nash feet for the last 2% haste, but SE is boosting the Nash items I currently use. I'll wait.

I was absolutely right about this beast. With SA, VV, RR (my best phys BP build), I was hitting for 600-700 criticals under the aftermath. There is no recovery from this.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I was absolutely right about this beast. With SA, VV, RR (my best phys BP build), I was hitting for 600-700 criticals under the aftermath. There is no recovery from this.

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I could have told you this without making the weapon myself. But i too can confirm at most 7xx crit dmg on Dolls in Aletpa. You surprised that i've engaged anything ever?!?! FREAK OUT :O

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Originally Posted by MrButter

I'm horrified that SE will do something ... useful with it like add potency or maac to it and I'll actually have to make one.

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Shhhh don't give them any ideas!

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Originally Posted by Cett

I could have told you this without making the weapon myself. But i too can confirm at most 7xx crit dmg on Dolls in Aletpa. You surprised that i've engaged anything ever?!?! FREAK OUT :O

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I'm up to 769 on a gnat. And no, I'm not surprised. You had to get staff skill somehow, but I still argue with strawmen. :P

OA4 Yantok pulls hate off of the pet. Hvergelmir pulls hate off PLD. This thing is an absolute terror... I'm glad Myrkr does 0 damage!

Use cataclysm, does significantly more damage with a Pluto's staff and the right atma. Plus if you're using SMN you can use Diabolos with Cosmos atma to at least not completely gimp your avatar.

About Hvergelmir's crit damage... WAR's crits w/ berserk up, RR and +2 feet can be as high as 650 without any ODD or set proc. Same with DRG, DRK, and to a lesser extent SAM.

It's nothing more than a toy, with no practical applications really. Maybe /SCH occult acumen for TP and being able to restore large amounts of MP outside abyssea? I can see it being amazing in that regard for a mage party.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I'm up to 769 on a gnat. And no, I'm not surprised. You had to get staff skill somehow, but I still argue with strawmen. :P

OA4 Yantok pulls hate off of the pet. Hvergelmir pulls hate off PLD. This thing is an absolute terror... I'm glad Myrkr does 0 damage!

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IDK what PLD's you're playing with :[

For staff that damage is quite fantastic, but in comparison to anything else that actually is DD I'm not sure its really worth it.

Good news though, if you just want Myrkr no one EVER wants Coins of Ruin in WoE. I knew someone who had 60 of them just for the lulz.