Have people let go of the "Gjallahorn/Daurdabla only" BRD demand for Delve yet?

Successful strategies are followed. People assume that because the first linkshells to do something did it that way, they need to continue doing it that way.

Typically, strategies are necessary longer, but the unprecedented change to level 100+ weapons has buffed people in a way we've never been buffed before. What I'm saying is, prior to the weapon buff, pugs shouting and shouting for a 4 song bard for Tojil has reason to it.

That being said, if I tried to go to a pug Tojil as bard and they declined me (and my bard is nicely geared for a non empy/horn), I wouldn't be offended. Leaders are simply trying to do everything they can to provide the win.

Not to mention, some groups barely win, or continue to lose, as it is. They're looking for all the help they can get.

I'm not trying to provide excuses, but only explanations. Personally I always try to frame my groups around the difficulty of the content I'm expecting to face.

We've been killing Tojil with NQ 2 song BRDs since way before the update. We have exceptional DDs though.

If you take normal FFXI DD players + normal FFXI BRDs you will be losing most of the time. That is why most shout groups want 3-4 song BRDs to mask the weak DD player base.

I wish SE could come up with a system that promotes players to help others without delve weapons or relics to be able to participate in the whole fricking game and gear themselves without having to submit themselves to buy help.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

We've been killing Tojil with NQ 2 song BRDs since way before the update. We have exceptional DDs though.

If you take normal FFXI DD players + normal FFXI BRDs you will be losing most of the time. That is why most shout groups want 3-4 song BRDs to mask the weak DD player base.

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This, and Comeatmebro has been tilling Tojil with 8 or 9, but as he's octoboxing, there's no doubt at all about how he's managing that.

Still, if one guy can, in any way, manage it with 8 or 9, 8 or 9 exceptional players could do it which means that it should be easier for 18.

Harps/horns aren't necessary, people just feel like they are.

Aegis/Ochain isn't necessary for pulling delve, though Aegis is nice for getting aga'd while pulling. Most of the time mobs are hitting me in the back as I'm running.

the proper response to a group requiring you to have 4 song gear is to go make your 4 song gear, then ignore that group and only run with your friends or people not in that group. especially since 4 songs are not required unless you are trying to cover players with sub-par skill, the same way it was with Sch before the embrava nerf or smn on the PD rotation strats. skilled players will beat content regardless. that being said, a 4 song brd is still VERY sweet, and it's a great way to help your friends up the rewards ladder, and is AMAZING in a skill-up party (yes, you can still form a skill-up party if you want to). Not to mention being a relic/empy bard is nice regardless since you can jettison about 10 inventory slots.

i was actually booted out of a group for only having 2 songs even though i have almost every instrument in the game and am able to provide a minimum of a +4 song for any song out there (minus ballad where i give +3). They told me i wasn't a good enough brd for them and i was a noob for not having it, even though i played bard back at 75 cap, had capped skills and all songs learned. They then got a bard with a 3 song harp and lost their fight cause a friend was in that run and told me that the persons songs had almost no duration to them and they couldn't land a single on an ANY mob.

Heres to the "veteran" bards out there.

It is assumed if you are a good BRD, you will have put time into the job your good at enough to get some of the most amazing gear, like Aegis & Ochain are for PLD, the Emp Harp is somewhat a game changer for a BRD, since without one, you get 2 songs, and with it you get 3~4, you are basically talking about a BRD potentially doubling their effectiveness in a single piece of gear. That, is not all to unreasonable in that respect. At the same time, people who do not personally know you do not know how good or bad you are, gear is the easiest way to test you rather than grabbing a T5 pop for Morimar, running out to Kurma, popping him, and commanding your BRDs to sleep him rq so you can tell they have the skillz. No, really its not hard to see why people do things like this, is it a dick thing to do and excluding a large amount of players? Yeah, it is, I know that, but does it also make sense? To an extent, honestly, yes.

Its possible to kill Tojil with 2, 2 song bards in melee parties but it just makes it harder and why risk it. The fight will drag on longer he will build resistance to stun and eventually wipe you. I have gone with 3 and 2 song bards for melee parties a lot of times.

Honestly if your serious about brd and want to be using it for boss runs you should do a harp at least to 3 songs. If not then gear other jobs.

The difference between 2 and 4 songs is huge. If you have 99 harp your bard is basically worth 2 bards. Abyssea isn't even that hard these days it just takes time, although very tedious to build a harp it is in no way hard.

About PLDs though, I killed all 3 delve bosses now, never had a PLD at any of them. Tanking is still broke, mobs don't do enough damage to kill melee easily. There is almost no reason to bring a PLD to any of the bossess due to the fact they won't tank, the melees will they will. PLDs do lower damage as well. Even if they could tank well hold hate off melees then go back to the first statement, replacing a high damage melee with a low damage paladin..

PLD is just for pulling, holding, and saccing. It's certainly not for tanking.

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Originally Posted by detlef

PLD is just for pulling, holding, and saccing. It's certainly not for tanking.

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Why would you need to pull, hold anything? Super buffed melees just melt the trash mobs when doing the 5 NMs, just kill all the trash mobs in your path. The only thing that needs to be saced is the boss. Which the SCH party Bard does because the only thing he has to do is march the 2 sch.

Taking a PLD just wastes a spot and has almost no use.