Empyrean 90-95 trials

The only good reason to make something easier is if its impossible. There's a large amount of people who spent the time to upgrade and have finished their weapons to 99 (which will be reflected in the census- in b4 someone talks about how there's more relics even though those weapons came out like 5 years before Empyreans did) and you're basically asking the devs to screw them even harder than the Delve weapons already have by making it easier to obtain the weapon.

There is absolutely no reason left for casual players to complain about REMs being too hard because the new weapons from Adoulin are either competitive or better, even after the proposed REM adjustments. Before this there was actually some space of people talking about how an Ukon 85 was beating a 99 Shamash, STR GAX or Dies Irae, which made the game "REM or bust". Now that's not the case so either suck it up and upgrade your weapon or just get one of those new shiny Delve weapons which will take you all of one afternoon (if that) of farming.

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Originally Posted by Werewolf

It would be nice if they either lowered the required plates (since 1,500 was always a bit off, considering the trials went 50>50>75>1,500>60?!) or just make Heavy Metal Plates available from other events, similar to what they did with Alexandrites; or both...

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Alexandrite dont drop from the sky either.
There is 3 ways to get alex:
old Salvage: requires 3 people to enter, relativly easy to farm you gain aroudn 60 alex per run (on average) depending on zone
new Salvage: requires 3 people to enter, somewhat challenging nets you around 80 alex per run (if you do all) on average
NNI: requires 3 people to enter but requires 6 people to actually target NMs, if you want to farm for alex.
all of them have a cool down of 24 hours to reenter

vs HMP:
3 zlart VW: can be done any time, as much as you like with 12 skilled people you should be able to kill them np. net gain if you count all people around 10 HMP per fight.

vs currency:
can be entered once every day, solo, 150 coins

Alexandrite is still harder to come by then HMP.

It really is bassackwards to have the 1500 before the 60, but it also really is irrelevant.

I can't recall ever seeing a 95 Empyrean, (for more than a day or two). Which means it is kinda silly, it takes -alot- longer to acquire 1500 of something (when the maximum is 50%(ish) single drop and 10%(ish) pouch drop) compared to Riftdross/Riftcinder which is relatively common by comparison (ratio-wise).

But again regardless where the plate trial would fall, if it was 75 80 85 90 95, the weapon still isn't 99.

Main problem if VW past some fast easy exp is only going to be for those few people still focused on an emp so getting people for hmp runs will be hard and rift stuff impossible, dynamis still has relic gear which alot of it when its +2 has some awsome uses, and salvage 2 gear(some) is still pretty boss, maby if se lets us add delve augments to them, they would really take off.

self farming the hmps takes a long long time i burned 250 stones in a weeks period and only had 380 something hmps to show for it, i dont seriously think i could make a marathon like that happen again on my server (thankfully im at 1408/1500 hmps) but then we come down tot he rift stuff need 60 of them and the drop rate is atrocious compare this to relics last stage which could be killed by some people with a 6 man party PRE-delve weapons imagin after or even worse you have a few 99 relics already thrown in and he drops 1-2 and you only need 10, and worse yet most relics with emp weaponskills will be superior to there emp, i mean heck if se said were adding blu to excal, those hmps would all be up on the market atm >.>

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Originally Posted by xiozen

Honestly, why?

I personally don't think 1500 is way off, considering the history... HMP's are available from 7 different void watch NMs and HMP pouches are available from 3 different void watch NMs... so that's 10 different NMs you can farm for Heavy Metal Plates... why do you need them from other events...is beyond me... I can understand if they were only dropped from one or two different NMs, or even three... but 10 (ten)....???

Maybe I'm just out of touch.

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Because VW has little to offer anymore, many of the things that used to be good from it are not as good, and can be gotten from easier content or simply were outclassed in general.

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Originally Posted by Kincard

I'm not quite understanding what you're asking for. If the changes are only going to apply to level 99 weapons, why does it matter that the difficult trial occurs at 90->95 instead of 95->99? Either way you're going to have to go through the hardest trial in order to get the weapon that matters.

At best you can ask for them to shift the Rift and HMP trials around so that the difficulty "ramp" makes more logical sense (all the while pissing off people who currently have 95 weapons), but I don't really see the point of that.

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I thought the whole point of empyreans were that they were supposed to be easier to max out then relics or mythics. Then SE pulls a bait and switch on us. Now VW is practically dead thanks to Adoulin, hardly anyone on my server does it anymore. Within in few months it will be near impossible to get a empyrean to the 95 stage.

I think the issue is that with VW being dead its orders of magnitude more horrible to get a sizable group to cover a decent spread of procs to get lights to even have a chance at HMP drops. Compared to say.... finding 2 random people who have no better use of their Remnant permits.

They should allow more amounts of cells to be traded to cap red/any specific light (on a per player basis) or just have HMP pouches drop from WoEs since it's played up as the garbage disposal of all reality. Though with the cell idea it would at least put on life support gil making methods involving the other Point Systems (Conquest, ISP, Allied Notes, Cruor) and make the issue another problem you can throw gil at (just like all the other weapons) AND something to lowman (just like the other weapons)

I have no problem with 1500 HMP for emps, but if you're going to require 1500 of anything from content that is steadily on the decline, you need to make it available from multiple sources. Voidwatch is dying off due to Adoulin content so there needs to be fair, low-man alternatives to getting HMP's like you can do with Dynamis currency.

This was probably said, but I will say it anyway. The reason why less people 99 an emp is becuase their is no great advantage to upgrading an emp to 99 for the emp WS. Meanwhile taking a relic 95 to 99 has a large advantage, and by that stage its about 60% addition to the base cost, as apposed to a emp where you have to spend nothing to get to 90 and everything to get a small damage boost.

...So this means that if I...oh I don't know...have an Almace-90, that I'm not going to get any portion of the enhancements that will be applied to RME99 weapons? If so...then I'm not happy at all.