While adjusting REMC - Gimped offhanding while dual wielding

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Originally Posted by Mayoyama

allows me the option to make some use of an otherwise multi-million dollar paperweight

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But think of all the envelopes your Mandau can open now!

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

But think of all the envelopes your Mandau can open now!

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Lol... I dont even know how to reply to that....

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Originally Posted by Thegreatmonkey

SE said and have even post what will happen to the R/M/E weapons. They are going to get a damage upgrade that will make them the best weapons in the game again.

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No.. theyre going to make RME comparable to (not better than) other non-RME. If you look at the examples given in that thread, the base dmg on the RME weps is already lower than the top tier weapons from Delve mega bosses, so for some weps that were made purely for their high base dmg (mainly relics), they may as well not exist even after the update.

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Originally Posted by Mayoyama

No.. theyre going to make RME comparable to (not better than) other non-RME. If you look at the examples given in that thread, the base dmg on the RME weps is already lower than the top tier weapons from Delve mega bosses, so for some weps that were made purely for their high base dmg (mainly relics), they may as well not exist even after the update.

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Depends on the weapon, seeing as accuracy matters now the Accuracy+60 on Relics will be amazing, the Attack+20 will help them match up to the non-RMEs, for one handed weapons its much the same but with 60Attack & 20Acc, not to mention the hidden effects so long as they stay. I think most of them will be the best, except Emps which I believe were just taken down a notch and the Mythics are now almost all amazing.

The Mythic update they showed left Burtgang behind Excalibur in DPS not considering AMs or ODD procs.

Excalibur is going to be the strongest sword for pure damage again unless the new ones have hidden effects or far more powerful augments than what we've seen.


They also only said that REM weapons wouldn't be the end all be all and that there will be comparable weapons.

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Originally Posted by Return1

The Mythic update they showed left Burtgang behind Excalibur in DPS not considering AMs or ODD procs.

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Putting in 120 DMG for the RDM Mythic, it comes out above Excalibur and Almace when spamming CDC so long as you put up AM3 correctly, I do not know if the same goes for PLD but Burtgang has a beastly amount of DMG on it for higher DMG weapon skills so I would think it would do about the same with AM3 up, its flaw is that unlike Death Blossom its WS is total trash because they have never updated the thing. Burt is one of the ones which get screwed somewhat in that respect, where as other weapons like WAR's Mythic get amazing jumps in damage because you get AM3 and Ukko's, which Ukko's is the best thing that Mythic never had before, the same goes for Mythic SAMs I think, since they lacked Fudo or Kaiten with it. Depending on if they still unlock Relic WSs or not, Liberator will become a beast too because of AM3 with Cata I'm sure. The list goes on, but for the most part Emp/Relic WS + Mythic = Awesome weapon!

I was under the impression that the only reason that SE was squawking about balance with using weapons like that on offhand was that 2h weapon users didn't get the same benefit. However, each swing from a 2h weapon gains the full benefit, and they already get much better gear in terms of mele stats. DW is not a competitor for damage against 2h, and no amount of relic or mythic off handing will change that.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I was under the impression that the only reason that SE was squawking about balance with using weapons like that on offhand was that 2h weapon users didn't get the same benefit. However, each swing from a 2h weapon gains the full benefit, and they already get much better gear in terms of mele stats. DW is not a competitor for damage against 2h, and no amount of relic or mythic off handing will change that.

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It's very true. If nothing else, 2H will always have the advantage while WSing. The cap for hits in an attack round / WS is 8. We all know this. So when a 2H weapon swings 5 times or more, 1H gets left in the dust because they already swung 8 times trying to keep up with 2 weapons that have half the damage.

While some modifiers are more generous, like Ruinator, most 1H WSs are not STR based. In start contrast, MOST 2H weapons have a Merit WS or Empy WS that is STR based. Scythe being the exception for how you can make a 2H's WS damage underwhelming.

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@demon

You know what Death Blossom is good for and it does that very well. It could use a damage revamp IF RDM was a DD, but we both know it's not.

Death Blossom with Murgleis puts out good damage and serves multiple functions. We can hope that they will keep Murgleis where it is currently, the strongest DPS 1H Mythic, because we need a job specific crutch. RDM doesn't have a TP set that does damage well while TPing well, so they made Murgleis stronger than most for us. It's actually stronger than every other Mythic in DPS except Great Axe, Scythe, and Polearm and beats out Great Katana and every other Mythic below it.

All the times I played with it on the Test Server, I found the numbers for Death Blossom with the Murgleis to be completely satisfactory because they were hitting the same ball park as Req and we both know it doesn't have an attack penalty, unlike Req. Better SC properties and tears M.Eva.

Murgleis doesn't make RDM a DPS dynamo, but it does make it worthy for front line exposure and benefits the back line as well.

I was not saying it was bad, I way saying that Atonement is. Death Blossom is not to bad by compare to KoR in optimum gear, it falls behind about 20% when comparing it to Excalibur using their own WSs, but it lacks 10% WS damage, so it makes sense. Everything I was saying was meant to point out that Burtgang has a natural flaw when it comes to its AM because it has to deal with a WS that caps its damage at such a low number, where as in RDM's case as well as every other job so far as I know, we get WSs where we can use gear to boost their numbers, and with the +30% damage they come out as respectable WSs. The reason for PLD its such a problem is its a job which does not build TP very fast, and you have to build upto 300 just to blow it all on a WS with terrible damage so that you can finally get AM3 up for a minute, of which you might get one or two WSs out of at best I think on PLD, so Atonements damage is a large drawback in and of itself when it comes to Burtgang's overall damage, a flaw which no others share.

oh, ha! now i see it. Yeah Atonement....that one is special. If Burt didn't have all that extra PLD job gravy all over it, I would agree. The weapon is still amazing from a defensive standpoint.

If nothing else, it is catered directly towards PLD and is still one of the better Mythics without even factoring AM3 or Mythic WS.

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

oh, ha! now i see it. Yeah Atonement....that one is special. If Burt didn't have all that extra PLD job gravy all over it, I would agree. The weapon is still amazing from a defensive standpoint.

If nothing else, it is catered directly towards PLD and is still one of the better Mythics without even factoring AM3 or Mythic WS.

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Right, but the way Return was going off that Mythic alone, which is a horrid example of what Mythics will be capable of by comparison to the others. A Conq WAR spamming Ukko's, a Koga SAM spamming Fudo, or a Lib DRK spamming Cata would be amazing, Burt suffers a flaw due to the WS needed to put up AM3, but the other weapons are about to go from ok damage to amazing damage in 1 shot thanks to unlocking great WSs for them. I was just trying to point out to him hes basically using the worst possible weapon as an example of how Mythics will not become the best for sure, when most things point to the fact they will, except that one, because its not made for damage.