Attachment to rival all others for PUP only players.

Sorry I had to work yesterday, but here's what I did:

Sharpshot Head/Frame:
No attatments

Shot with Alternator:

Damage: 876 (this was same for whether or not choke was on or off or if i had attatchments on or not, assuming this means Alternator capped up over their vit regardless)

STR: 92+70
DEX: 96+70
Ranged skill: 427
Melee: 388

Shot without animator + choke:

Damage: 795
STR: 92+14 (had to use fire man. To get his STR above 101 but again no attachments were on)
DEX: 96
Ranged skill: 427
Melee: 388

The difference in numbers was smaller than I would have expects, is it possible that his stats are so far about the Wild Rabbit's that it caps so you'd calculate an improper dmg? Because against tough calfcleaver chapuli's taking it on and of was a difference of 200 damage minmum! (damage doubled: 200 -> 400)

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Originally Posted by Nezha

Sorry I had to work yesterday, but here's what I did:

Sharpshot Head/Frame:
No attatments

Shot with Alternator:

Damage: 876 (this was same for whether or not choke was on or off or if i had attatchments on or not, assuming this means Alternator capped up over their vit regardless)

STR: 92+70
DEX: 96+70
Ranged skill: 427
Melee: 388

Shot without animator + choke:

Damage: 795
STR: 92+14 (had to use fire man. To get his STR above 101 but again no attachments were on)
DEX: 96
Ranged skill: 427
Melee: 388

The difference in numbers was smaller than I would have expects, is it possible that his stats are so far about the Wild Rabbit's that it caps so you'd calculate an improper dmg? Because against tough calfcleaver chapuli's taking it on and of was a difference of 200 damage minmum! (damage doubled: 200 -> 400)

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427 skill = 138 base damage for ranged attacks, fSTR and cRatio are capped in both situations, so the only sources of damage increase are the 70 extra dex, and the potential for a base damage boost. With alternator, the damage was 292 (capped cRatio for ranged attacks is 3.0, thus why all of sharpshots attacks against bunnies are divisible by 3), while w/o alternator, it was 265. Based on this, it implies ~27 base damage increase to ranged attacks with alternator, which is about where I would expect it to fall from the 70 dex alone.

....Actually, nezha, this is REALLY useful not just for alternator, but dealing with sharpshot's damage calculation in general, because the numbers imply that at capped fSTR, the puppet gets +90 damage... well damn. Thanks, sir, I think you've just given me the breakthrough I've been needing...


edit: for the record, the huge difference in damage you see against higher level mobs is related to the huge spike in fSTR and attack from the alternator. Since your fSTR and cRatio are capped against bunnies, the difference is based solely on your dex, but against those guys in adoulin, you also get a huge boost from fSTR.

edit 2: for the sake of my own curiosity, and to possibly irk my own numbers, did you happen to have any animator equipped during your control shots? Or did you remove it after applying the fire maneuvers? And if you would be so kind, could you repeat the test with a single ranged skill merit (429 skill)? This isn't related to the issue at hand, so much as an inconsistency that appeared in my own numbers, that implies SE might have tweaked something since I did the bulk of my testing.

I just removed the animator altogether... Should I have equipped the LV1 Animator?

Mmm, no, you did what I meant. I just forgot that apparently SE tweaked things while I was away from the game, thus why the numbers aren't adding up perfectly. There's a consistent 3 base damage discrepancy, which is why I asked for a second go through with a single ranged skill merit, since 128 skill should be a damage tier, unless they changed the skill-> damage formula entirely.

I was wondering if there is a test for defense and enmity, I finally finished breeder muffler set for my pet provoke set and i want to test out the amount of enmity and defense it gives!

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Originally Posted by Nezha

I was wondering if there is a test for defense and enmity, I finally finished breeder muffler set for my pet provoke set and i want to test out the amount of enmity and defense it gives!

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Well... um... that would be pretty difficult. You might be able to test enmity with strobe, if you compare it to regular provoke, but I don't know how regular enmity testing works, so idk. Defense, though, good luck.