Its just the JPs being angry as usual. DRK is only really useful on ONE Salvage II zone, and only because SE programmed the boss's AI to spam Pyric Bulwark. Otherwise DRK is the same as any WAR or SAM in the other zones, generic meat shield that can wear a DT/PDT set and put out high damage. Technically they should be angry at PLD for the same reason. A PLD can do the same thing all three of those jobs do but also has the option to fall back to Shield Master + Requiescat spam to by pass shields and -PDT.
I go DRK and BLU to Salvage II, which job I go highly depends on the zone.
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01-30-2013, 10:36 PMsaevel
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01-31-2013, 12:47 AMDreaminWhen they whack TH off our THF pets. And when they turn BST into Jugmaster. And they still haven't addressed jug pet zoning (every other pet job's pet can zone with them). Yes, they gave us some BS answer but it's not a legit answer imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
And to the DRK's. RDM, SMN, PLD RNG all want to welcome you to the club. -
01-31-2013, 01:08 AMCabalabob
Nothing's actually getting nerfed on drk, at least not directly. The changes to attack and level correction screwing over both last resort and berserk is the only real damage that's being done to drk seeing as drk/war will now be a very dangerous combo. The haste change to last resort does nothing but give SAM a new sub job option and give level 15+ drks 15% haste while not lowering the overall haste from 5/5 desperate blows. And they haven't made any finalised decisions on what to do with the twilight scythe yet. They could still just decide to leave it as it is.
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01-31-2013, 06:08 AMAeonkThis. I'd personally love to know why Atonement is still nerfed. 750ish dmg would be pretty trivial compared to the #'s we see nowadays, but it'd at least be competitive with a magian 2-4 sword. Now the answer is literally Empy/Relic/Mythic onry for PLD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamin
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01-31-2013, 06:38 AMDemon6324236Nerfing BST's TH was not a real nerf, you get a few less items, oh no, that does not effect the party being able to participate in a job. Also, THF's best unique thing is TH, its often the entire reason the job is brought, in my opinion no other job should have more than TH1 so that THF is not entirely stepped over. Not allowing things to be charmed in Abyssea I think was something to do with lore, and pets not zoning with the master is not a nerf, its just them not willing to make simple adjustments which should be made, that is rarely useful for combat, and mostly is a complaint to save BSTs money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamin
The only real nerf here is TH, as it was at a time higher, and then they lowered it. The rest are things already implemented which are not being buffed/improved. None of these really effect a BST's combat ability, it effects their wallet. DRK's may be losing something unique to the job, Twilight Scythe and its non-elemental damage. So as you can see, these two types of nerfs are vastly different in overall effect, as one hurts a jobs combat abilities and the other hurts item drops without a THF and saves a BST some money via Charm or keeping pets while zoning. -
01-31-2013, 07:11 AMMalthar
You don't get it, do you? The fact that very few stood up against the bst nerf made it easier to nerf other jobs just as easily. i.e. drk.
First they come for your neighbors...
I see they've taken your neighbors but haven't come for you yet. -
01-31-2013, 07:51 AMSlaxx
Are you seriously comparing ANYTHING in an MMO to the rise of Nazi Germany? Get some perspective.
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01-31-2013, 08:06 AMManaKing
Honestly they aren't really doing anything to DRK. What the OP is looking for is on the JP forums and it has very little to do with anything.
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01-31-2013, 08:55 AMMurasIt's true they're not nerfing anything (Yet), since the changes to Last Resort and Desperate Blows will still yield the same result in the end. I think the problem everyone is having is that all the stuff SE said they were going to do isn't going to happen anymore because people on the JP forums think DRK is already "too strong".Quote:
Originally Posted by ManaKing
For example, they were giving DRK a Dark Magic version of Elemental Celerity and getting rid of the Absorb decay (Which were going to be implemented as shown in the roadmap). They were really going to add this stuff until, presumably, that discussion started in the JP forums.
It also brings up worries like DRK will never get any new adjustments that help better define the job, like new absorbs that do more unique things and help enfeeble the mob in a more valuable way (Like Absorb-ATK, Absorb-DEF, Absorb-SPD).
In regards to BST, I assume people weren't up in arms over the nerf at the time because SE said they would add TH+ items for pets. Now I know SE has since said they never promised such a thing, but the wording they chose at the time says otherwise. I still think there's a small chance they're planning on holding that gear for Adoulin content but who knows at this point... -
01-31-2013, 10:59 AMTanamaThe additions for DRK that are on the roadmap as well as other things on there were postponed because Seekers of Adoulin came into the picture. Not because the JP made a thread discussing DRK's strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muras
Producer Akihiko Matsui responded to that thread saying:Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate