pup, where did you go wrong.

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Originally Posted by Elphy

Then SE is further crippling us by giving us some of the worst gear selections. Its as if the devs WANT the job to fail (ie: not putting pup on Caudata Belt, thats a big middle finger from SE right there).

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this is the very point im trying making, stupid comments like this where SE get confused on how to build a PET class. caudata belt is a PURE DD belt. and NOT A PET belt.

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my point is, im disapointed in how the job turned into a melee DD like drg and not a PUPPET master. kinda like how bst or smn uses their pets to do the dirty work.
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Originally Posted by Mayoyama

Um, no lol. DRG falls way behind other heavy DD (SAM/WAR/DRK) unless you have mythic.. and I highly doubt anyone would class a PUP "on par" with MNK for dps (especially given the skill difference and the huge amount of gear mnk gets that pup is excluded from)

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yes, i would mean with mythic since we are apparently arguing best case scenarios.
pup SHOULD have bad DD without pet. my point is above. not that pup sucks, just that i figured the pet would be the main concentrated point, and not the gear it doesnt get and how the ai does all the work because maneuver manipulating is too much hassle and takes away from the ability to DD because playing a pet job is too much work if i need to constantly control the pet...

/quit

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my point is, im disapointed in how the job turned into a melee DD like drg and not a PUPPET master. kinda like how bst or smn uses their pets to do the dirty work.

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Again, the job didnt turn into anything. Master tank has always been the way to handle tougher enemies. You do have the option of pet tanking, sure. But it has never ever been the best way to do it. I guess if you can't handle that then it's never been the job for you.

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this is the very point im trying making, stupid comments like this where SE get confused on how to build a PET class. caudata belt is a PURE DD belt. and NOT A PET belt.

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I've already told you there's pet gear out there. What else could possibly make the gear out there actual pet gear for pup? Do you want avatar perpetuation down like SMN or something? BST gets pretty much every piece that's available to us. So there's not much difference there either.

I mean, if you really think you're too strong of a melee as the master. Here.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...lunkershat.png

Go get 'em.

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Originally Posted by Gwodien

this is the very point im trying making, stupid comments like this where SE get confused on how to build a PET class. caudata belt is a PURE DD belt. and NOT A PET belt.

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Um its called Stringing Pummel look it up

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Originally Posted by Gwodien

when i left the puppet was strong, capable of soloing (valoredge) em-t mobs with little/no help and maybe dropping a repair once in a while, now its so weak it cant even survive an easy-too weak mob at 88. not a fun thing to return too.

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Oh wait, my bad

Guess we know the reason

I think I may have THE answer for the OP.

IIRC, a while back, they nerf'd one of the earth based attachments. The "Equalizer" I think it was. Although SE did make some minor buffs to some of the other earth based attachments, it wasn't enough to counteract the Equalizer nerf. I believe it was that nerf that caused Valoredge tanking to lose some of it's luster.

In response to more OP ignorance, a BST itself can actually put out some decent damage. Prior to the new jugs, a BST was actually stronger than their pet (if they were geared decently and knew how to play the job). The only pet job that is pretty useless without the pet is actually Summoner. Beastmaster can still actually put out some decent damage on its own.

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Originally Posted by Annalise

In response to more OP ignorance, a BST itself can actually put out some decent damage. Prior to the new jugs, a BST was actually stronger than their pet (if they were geared decently and knew how to play the job). The only pet job that is pretty useless without the pet is actually Summoner. Beastmaster can still actually put out some decent damage on its own.

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^ this, for pet jobs, smn does nothing pet does everything, drg is the exact opposite pet is pretty useless except to grant buffs and a bit of its own dmg, bst is weaker than pet but still useful, pup is stronger than it's pet but the pet is still useful.

If you think about it without the pup being a melee it would be a pointless job in the game, smn is already a pet reliant class, and none of the pup frames bring anything an actual job of that class couldn't do better, the pup being a decent fighter is what makes pup useful, pup's kinda like a mnk with an adventuring fellow. Except the puppet is actually helpful...