Avatar Perpet. Cost: Caller's Doublet vs. Summoner's Doublet vs Caller's Bracers +1

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Originally Posted by Laume

I did a quick search on the forums here and didn't find any articles pertaining to this so I thought I'd make a post.

The other day, I got a summoner's doublet because it was easier than a caller's doublet +1. With my current gear (and no avatar's favor), I'm somehow gaining 1 mp/tick. (My avatar perpet. gear is: evoker's ring, caller's pigaches +1, caller's pendant, caller's bracers +1 and summoner's doublet. And I have a caller's horn +1 for refresh.)
Mathematically, since caller's bracer's perpet cost is applied after all the perpet. cost - are calculated, I should have a net loss of 1 mp/tick:
base avatar perpet cost:
15
(15-1(evoker's ring)-2(caller's pigache's +1)-1(caller's pendant +weather from /sch) -3(summoner's doublet))*.5(caller's bracers +1) = 4 mp/tick
4 mp/tick -2 (auto refresh trait) -1 (caller's horn +1) = 1mp/tick

instead, I get:
[(15 -1(evoke. ring) -2(call. pigaches +1) -1(call. pendant))*.5(call. bracers)] -3(smn. doublet) = 2 mp/tick
2 mp/tick -2 (auto refresh trait) -1 (call. horn +1) = -1 mp/tick (gain of)

I'd like to confirm if that, what I'm seeing is correct, can be confirmed by another person. But also, if someone has the summoner's doublet +1 or +2, as well as the caller's bracers +1/2, if they can confirm that the HQ versions also apply the - to perpet cost after the caller's bracers.

Thanks in advance.

*note: Yes, I do realize that the caller's doublet +1/2 is better in other ways and I shouldn't always prefer avatar perpet. cost over summoning skills or other things. This thread is simply to confirm what seems to not have been documented in that Caller's bracers +1/2's perpet. cost ISN'T ALWAYS applied at the very end as we're lead to believe/documented previously.*

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noooo.....
you SHOULD have a full perp set
you should also have a -15BP delay set
you should also have a +70 or higher SMN magic skill set
you should also have an Avatar MAB set and an avatar PACC/ATK set >_>

conditional reductions are done after all other perpetuation cost reductions btw, so any "reduces perp by half" items apply after all other perp - items

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Originally Posted by hideka

noooo.....
you SHOULD have a full perp set
you should also have a -15BP delay set
you should also have a +70 or higher SMN magic skill set
you should also have an Avatar MAB set and an avatar PACC/ATK set >_>

conditional reductions are done after all other perpetuation cost reductions btw, so any "reduces perp by half" items apply after all other perp - items

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First, your last statement is false, as this thread show's the conditional avatar perpetuation reduction on summoner's doublet is applied after the half reduction on callers. You say that perpetuation being halved is done last, which isn't true.

Second, he's not talking about gear sets. He is simply looking at perpetuation being applied by the summoner's doublet, as it didn't give the perpetuation that was expected.

Third, read his other quote from the thread.

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Originally Posted by Laume

I'm not taking staves into calculations for this. I'm not looking for the best avatar perpetuation gear. I'm just trying to find out why the relic doublet works differently and if the hq relic doublets work the same (as in if the removal of the "avatar perpetuation depending on day" by the HQ's bumps it up in the avatar perpetuation calculation).

This isn't a post about the best gear, this is simply a post about understanding how things work.

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I'm level 90 and I have

Astral Signa (-2)
Summoners Horn +2 (-3)
Summoner's Doublet +2 (-3)
Evoker's Ring (-1)

= -9 perp cost.

Its weird though because Avatars now cost 3 mp, fenrir costs 2 i believe, diabolos is free with avatars favor, carbuncles free. But sometimes the element avatrs like Ramuh would be out for free. I dont know why it randomly changes its annoying.

Same element as the day?

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Originally Posted by Pawlie

I'm level 90 and I have

Astral Signa (-2)
Summoners Horn +2 (-3)
Summoner's Doublet +2 (-3)
Evoker's Ring (-1)

= -9 perp cost.

Its weird though because Avatars now cost 3 mp, fenrir costs 2 i believe, diabolos is free with avatars favor, carbuncles free. But sometimes the element avatrs like Ramuh would be out for free. I dont know why it randomly changes its annoying.

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