Heavy Metal Plates

I think they need to drop the requirement to at most 1000 plates, increase the drop rate of plates/pouches on everything that drops them, and ignore trying to give anyone a refund and the crying that ensues because of it, as thats just silly. BTW, my Ukon is 99 and I have like 500 plates on a mule, Im undecided if I care enough about NIN to finish Kannagi or not.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I think they need to drop the requirement to at most 1000 plates, increase the drop rate of plates/pouches on everything that drops them, and ignore trying to give anyone a refund and the crying that ensues because of it, as thats just silly.

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This. Not only would this not be nearly as bad as the relic building nerf was, additionally people who have completed this trial did so right after relic builders were shafted. They knew very well what they could expect in the future. If they did lower the amount I'd be surprised if anyone was shocked about it.

Simple fix to supply if they wanted. Plates can drop in junk slots, plates always drop in HQ slots if it is not a HQ item. In the case of Pouch NMs pouches would still be HQ drops in the HQ slot, anything that is junk in the HQ slot should be a normal plate still. Abyssea gave 1 item on every kill always and you only required 50~75 of them, that number is 1/20th at most of the plate requirement I think it fair we always get at least 1 plate on NMs that drop them if not more.

The 1500 plate requirement was to make Empyreans on par with Relic/Mythic. SE figures that the time/cost/effort of getting 99 Relic/Mythic/Empyrean are all about equal by the time you hit 99. Whereas the Relic/Mythic money/time sink stages are in the beggining with currency cost or WS trials, the empyrean trials are extremely easy to take to the 90 version. So the long/ardous trial for Relic/Mythic is simply building it but after it's 75, it's mostly smooth sailing to 99. For Empyrean, it's smooth sailing to 90 then the plates/rift are the expensive/ardous task from 95-99. So technically the trials are balanced somewhat. If the HMP trial was only 200-300 you could theoretically build a 99 empyrean in less than a week if you were rich.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

The 1500 plate requirement was to make Empyreans on par with Relic/Mythic. SE figures that the time/cost/effort of getting 99 Relic/Mythic/Empyrean are all about equal by the time you hit 99. Whereas the Relic/Mythic money/time sink stages are in the beggining with currency cost or WS trials, the empyrean trials are extremely easy to take to the 90 version. So the long/ardous trial for Relic/Mythic is simply building it but after it's 75, it's mostly smooth sailing to 99. For Empyrean, it's smooth sailing to 90 then the plates/rift are the expensive/ardous task from 95-99. So technically the trials are balanced somewhat. If the HMP trial was only 200-300 you could theoretically build a 99 empyrean in less than a week if you were rich.

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So they pretty much do what they've always done. Piss off a whole bunch of people to protect the egos of a tiny segment of the population. I'm rather fond of calling people out on skewed perspectives and the devs have a really skewed one here.

Fine where it is, the level of commitment going from 90 to 95 is pretty great. And instill's a nice level of pride for being able to dump that much gil into one thing. I wouldn't want to see it drop, it would only cheapen the victory of finishing it.And lessen the sense of accomplishment.

What will happen when VW is old content that nobody cares to do anymore though? That 1500 will end up being one hell of a lot harder to come by if they don't do something about the current system.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

The 1500 plate requirement was to make Empyreans on par with Relic/Mythic. SE figures that the time/cost/effort of getting 99 Relic/Mythic/Empyrean are all about equal by the time you hit 99. Whereas the Relic/Mythic money/time sink stages are in the beggining with currency cost or WS trials, the empyrean trials are extremely easy to take to the 90 version. So the long/ardous trial for Relic/Mythic is simply building it but after it's 75, it's mostly smooth sailing to 99. For Empyrean, it's smooth sailing to 90 then the plates/rift are the expensive/ardous task from 95-99. So technically the trials are balanced somewhat. If the HMP trial was only 200-300 you could theoretically build a 99 empyrean in less than a week if you were rich.

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While your idea on why they did it seems about right, the way they did it was stupid in the end.

Relic
Coins=8k
Byne=8k
Shells=6k
Lv75 Total=121~142Mil
Umbral Marrow=15~20Mil
Start-Lv99 Total=196~242Mil



Mythic
Various Battlefield Currencys
Alexandrite=20~23k
Lv75 Total=600~690Mil
Mulcibar's Scoria=10Mil
Lv99 Total=630~720Mil



Empyrean
Lv75 Total=0
Heavy Metal=100~120k
Riftcinder=1.5Mil
Riftdross=750k
Lv99 Total=195~270Mil



Relic:196~242Mil
Mythic:630~720Mil
Empyrean:195~270Mil



While Relics & Emps may be closer in terms of cost if you do not obtain them otherwise, Mythic is still 3 times the cost. Also as seen with most people faced with this massive jump in price and difficulty Emps will stay at 85~90 but never reach 95 due to the Plate stage. Which mostly make this a pointless gesture on their part because by raising the cost they simply created to many people leaving weapons at lv90 with no intent to get it higher. 90 is still a good weapon, and alot of people do not see the point in spending what would be 150~180Mil on what is anywhere between 4~14DMG and 1~2 on the WS mod stat.



Alot of people are perfectly content with a lv90 Emp for no money only effort rather than a lv95~99 Emp/Relic that will cost them nearly or more than 200Mil in the end but only reward them with a little more DMG/Stats.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

Fine where it is, the level of commitment going from 90 to 95 is pretty great. And instill's a nice level of pride for being able to dump that much gil into one thing. I wouldn't want to see it drop, it would only cheapen the victory of finishing it.And lessen the sense of accomplishment.

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Tell that to all of us who finished the Old School Chains of Promathia storyline. Then ask me if I care if SE changes the requirements for getting your Relics / Mythics / Empyreans to 95 / 99. I mean I'm glad you love the game so much that you felt the need / desire to take the time to get everything to make your weapon, but seriously if you're going to whine if they change the requirements / drop rate of Alexandrite and or Heavy Metal Plates, then you need to reexamine why you're playing the game. If they change the requirements , who cares... oh wait You do because then you won't be so special anymore.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

Fine where it is, the level of commitment going from 90 to 95 is pretty great. And instill's a nice level of pride for being able to dump that much gil into one thing. I wouldn't want to see it drop, it would only cheapen the victory of finishing it.And lessen the sense of accomplishment.

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They cheapened a ton of 'accomplishments' with upping the level cap.

Individuals have tons of Empyrean weapons and it'd be great if people could actually finish them sometime before the sun engulfs the Earth. Making mobs like Ig-Alima, Rex, Bismarck, Morta drop pouches while offering single plates in the non-HQ dropslots would be fair since these mobs are designed for lvl99 and are difficult relative to the Zilart 3 which were for a 95 cap.

Further, CoP and ToAU T1s are harder than Zilart so why arent these too dropping plates/pouches? No one currently does them because they offer no incentive and this then chokes the market for new items needed to build new abjuration gear because once people get clears on the T1s no one repeats these battlefields.

Crafters and players would benefit from spreading these Heavy Metal plates around at the least to TOAU/COP T1s at a higher rate than Zilart T3.